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| Last Saturday I volunteered to take a veteran fishing on Minnetonka, and excited to do so, until about an hour into it I was cut off by another boat who also volunteered. The distance was no more than 50 yards, and I about lost it. So I left in order to reproup. Just to be cut off again by 2 other boats that day. All of them volunteering and people that I know on a first name basis. I know this discussion comes up every couple of weeks when the season opens, but seroiusly what has happened to common courtesy? I can handle plessure boaters, just because I figure common sense left them years ago, but fellow muskie anglers who are also volunteering towards the same cause?
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Location: brooklyn park mn | I see nothing wrong with making a joking remark to them about how close they are? Sometimes people need to hear that what they are doing isn't ok or proper. Most people I've met don't like confrontation so the next time they may not do it. Not all are doing it cause they don't care, a lot are just plain and simply stupid and have no clue. To the ones who do know better imo the sport could go without them. Takes a special kind of guy to malitiously cut off someone whether they fish for themself or guide. Pathetic but still anoying nonetheless. I have a lake I fish regularly and have been cut off by same couple of boats and had enough and asked them how would they like it if I did to them. Just me saying it tactfully but to the point worked with the two regulars I see out there. They haven't cut me off anymore. Doesn't always work as well. Just my 2 cents |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Oh NO!
Seriously, don't get all bent out of shape about it, especially during an event like that one. I've caught MANY muskies right behind someone who pulled in front of me....just fish. |
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Location: IL | Use their boat as structure, lake a nice lay down for instance. |
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | Ryan, think about this for a second.
The guy you just got cut off by is not throwing the correct bait, wrong color and not even at the correct depth. Why worry about him?
The guy that just cut you off has very little boat side skills and is not teaching his boat partner correctly. You move in behind him and stick the fish he blew.
The guy that just cut you off is not working the structure the way it should be. You follow up and stick a pig. Show him the pic and then bring up the cut off.
I could go on and on. I live and guide on Pewaukee Lake. It's one of the most over fished lakes I know of. I bet it's about the same as your area lakes. I have stuck fish following 3 or 4 boats deep on some local hot spots. I found out if I got peeed at all the cut offs and fished other spots I would not be hitting the prime spots at the prime times. I have clients catch fish on a regular baisis behind others all the time. More often than not someone that is in front of me will see us catching a fish.
Just fish it!!!
Fish it your way and don't worry about others.
How do you know that boat is actually going to catch the only fish in that area. Heck he could get a fish going and you come up behind him and stuck it. You can't tell me that would not be cool to do. Just fish and enjoy being out on the water.
Once people learn to just fish and don't worry about other boats the fishing seems to get much more fun and you will still catch the same fish or maybe even more because your head is in the game instead of peeed off and fishing some other area because a boat fished your spot already. |
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| Yeah that cut off thing by another musky guy kills me. Earlier this year we were fishing Kinkaid and a guy in an older Lund moves in right in front of us. So close the guy in second base in the boat I was in could cast out in front of theirs. The guy driving even has the nerve to ask "Hows it going?" Turns out he was the head of some big musky group down there. Maybe he thinks he has the right.
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| 50 yards is really not bad. as for muskies we were towing in a buddy and we caught a musky while towing them in. that was 50ft from our boat. muskies are not shy when there hungry |
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| Yeah I would say something to him and just continue to fish. I caught my personal best and this happened. A guy come from anotherake motored right in front of me and started casting. I said something to him and kept fishing. 10 minutes later I had 48" in the net. The guy was peeed and left. Tournaments and events are like that. But you would hope they would have more common sence than that. |
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Location: Northern New Jersey | 50 yards? thats half a lake shore in jersey! hell i normally dont get angry until someone scoots me at about 30 yards. then there is one of two things i do. 1. put on RUSH and sing karaoke. 2. return the favor and buzz in front of them1 |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Juhas - 6/18/2012 4:58 AM
Yeah that cut off thing by another musky guy kills me. Earlier this year we were fishing Kinkaid and a guy in an older Lund moves in right in front of us. So close the guy in second base in the boat I was in could cast out in front of theirs. The guy driving even has the nerve to ask "Hows it going?" Turns out he was the head of some big musky group down there. Maybe he thinks he has the right.
This happened to me and a couple of buddies when we were down there and I suspect it may be the same individual (I know the gentleman's name but due to the rules of this forum, I do not want to post that in a public place). One of the guys in our boat was quite vocal and the guy in the other boat seemed to be un-phased.
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | I you know them bring it up and make fun of them when you see them. I had some guys from our club do it to me (and admitted they knew they were doing it. After publicly humiliating them about it repeatedly they don't seem to do it anymore. Funny how peer pressure works sometimes. |
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I definatley don't think it's nothing to worry about, or ignore.
If people want to be "that guy", then treat them like "that guy". We as muskie anglers seem to be accepting this behavior rather then condemning it.
As Treats said, mention it in public, make fun of them. It's better then being confrontational and others will help pressure them into having some respect for distance.
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| sworrall - 6/17/2012 11:42 PM Oh NO! Seriously, don't get all bent out of shape about it, especially during an event like that one. I've caught MANY muskies right behind someone who pulled in front of me....just fish. +1 I agree. We as a group (muskie anglers) need to drop the "over-sensitive stuff" and just keep fishing. We all know you can catch fish behind that boat. We are supposed to be ambassadors for the sport, not bad examples of how muskie anglers are over zealous jerks on the water. In addition, this was a volunteer event, what are we telling the novice fishing in the boat with us--more rage on the water is a good thing? Smile, ask them if they are catching anything and then nail one right behind them--that'll be the best revenge. |
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Location: Angola, IN | It's just your attitude. You're letting someting get to you that shouldn't even both you.
Because to be honest, it's a body of water, owned by no one. I think getting upset about someone cutting in front of you is JUST AS RIDICULOUS as the guy who did it. On both ends of the spectrum, both parites have entitlement issues.
And to really clarify things, from my experience, most guys on the water are freaking idiots. Their ignorance is usually not diminished by how many years they have been fishing either. Most guys don't have a clue what they are doing or what they just did or what's proper and what's not. So palerider, don't be upset about it. I think there is a high likelihood that this dude didn't even see you there or didn't know what he was doing was impolite.
Peace.
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Well when you have to deal with a room full of people at a public meeting that are sick of muskie boats running around like everyone else is in the way, maybe you'll realize it isn't something we should just ignore.
Don't we teach our kids to be respectfull hunters? To follow the rules and have ethics?
I'm not suggesting physical or verbal, heated confrontations but to just ignore it doesn't do anybody any good.
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| I fish the same body of "rush-hour" traffic as Mike from Mike's Extreme Guide Service. Obviously, the way we talk about it later is not always "EXACTLY" the same language and emotion that is shared at the precise moment of a totally bone-head move having just been committed....but for the most part, he's totally right, as is Mike Hulbert though for entirely different reasons and mine is a bit different too. While I have no doubt that Hulbert can do it on his water too, I know from years of experience that Koepp is not going to get outfished on Pewaukee Lake except as that rare occassion when it can happen to anybody. And, folks are going to jump all over where ever he is too, so to have any peace in his life...he has to put it aside, even take it as a supreme compliment. Now, for the Junkman, it's no show of respect...people are just being dumb a-holes on a crowded lake. So, I say to myself, "Marty, you are out here to get away from the a-holes in your life, not find more of them!" Therefore, I merely wipe these people out of my life, they are not there, they do not count, I have not allowed their life to touch my life. I try not to look at them, or show them in any way that they have been noticed. I will, however cast at personal watercraft...there is a limit to what a person can stand!!! |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Actually something fun to do is if there's "that guy" on the lake, just follow him around and start doing it to him. The message is usually sent and you may even find some new spots |
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Location: Hudson, WI | Truthfully, on a lake like Tonka, you can't expect to have a spot to yourself. 50 yards is cutting it too close, but on most spots, there are one or two "spot on the spots" that people are going to want to get to. If you're on it, common courtesy would have them pull in behind you. If you're simply working a shoreline, you can't expect the rest of the world to follow in your whore water all day. |
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Location: sneaking out to get on the water ;-) | The other day my son and I were fishing near a guy we know very well.He had a fish on and was having a rough time so we swung over and netted it for him.Got the hooks out and he took the fish from my net and we took a photo for him and headed back to our spot.About 5 min later he motored up in front of us came about 3 feet off the side of us and about 4 feet ahead of our bow and anchored there.Talk about no decencey if my son weren't there it wouldhave gone differentely.What a moron guess who will never lift a hand to help him again!!! Same idiot runs to many rods and fishes before the season is open and shrugs it off saying they can't prove I'm not pike fishing.I wish their was more we could do turning our heads and letting it go seems to make these pieholes do it all the more. Russ |
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| I understand and for the most part it doesn't get to me, but having other muskie inc members pull right in front of me, and straight to the spot on the spot is annoying. I should have stayed and fished right behind them all, hoping to stick one they left behind. Either way, it comes down to ethics, and for me that's just common sense.
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| palerider - 6/18/2012 10:17 AM
I understand and for the most part it doesn't get to me, but having other muskie inc members pull right in front of me, and straight to the spot on the spot is annoying. I should have stayed and fished right behind them all, hoping to stick one they left behind. Either way, it comes down to ethics, and for me that's just common sense.
"Sometimes losing is winning!"
Being a Muskie Inc member does not insure character, it just shows you spent a few dollars to join a club. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | maybe should ask em if they would support a stamp ... that would tell you if they're a good guy or not ... |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | When I am on Tonka I get cut off on a regular basis. I am not sure if it is the fact I am in a smaller boat, or people are just dingholes.
On Sunday morning I was fishing a point and moved a fish around 10am. I kept casting at it in hopes she would come back. As I look to my left there is a GIANT party boat with about 100 people on it heading in to drive between me and shore. There is another guy in a little boat crappie fishing not 60ft from me. This giant boat almost killed him, and of course I did not see that fish for the rest of the day. I really wasn't that far from the point and the fact that the boat came that close to the other guy really, really peeed me off. The captain of the boat even looked over at me and shrugged his shoulders. Said he had no room on the other side of me... as I looked back. if was a good couple hundred yards of empty space.
Tonka is hands down one of the worst lakes for jackasses on the water. There seems to be a new one every time you turn around. Sometimes I can't even stand to be on that lake. Drives me bonkers... But I am trying to not take it so seriously, otherwise I would be peeed every time I was on the water. I just have to start letting stuff go. |
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| 1. Start your motor, go around him, and cut him off, by no more than 20 yards. If he says anything at all, just look over and say "but it's okay when YOU do it?! Who the ____ are YOU?"
2. "Maybe you want to fish IN my boat instead of right in front of it?!"
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Location: Hudson, WI | Two friends and I were working a stretch of shoreline on the Croix once, and there was actually no one around us at all. Most peaceful fishing I've ever had out there. Along comes two dudes trolling down that stretch and yell, "How's the fishing?" Instead of going outside, they troll in between us and the shoreline...with a bunch of docks there, mind you, and we are close enough to cast into shore. Plus, the guy has planer boards out. He suddenly realizes he's going to run his inside line right into the dock and veers even closer to us, overcompensates, throttles down so we can actually push his boat back onto the right line, says "Thanks, guys", and then thunks his other board right off my transom and goes on his merry way.
An entire stretch of river from Stillwater to Prescott and the guy actually hit us with his boat going 3 mph. None of us even said anything for 5 minutes until one of us looks back and says..."Did that really just happen?" |
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| If you want to experience being cut off and getting spots robbed, try fishing tournaments like the WMT or PMTT series ive seen and experienced things during tournament series' you never would expect anyone with common decency to do. Pretty pathetic when it backfires though lol |
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| Oh and maybe my remedy for the pleasure boaters (a pounder that was destroyed by fish that i removed hooks from) would work for the real morons. Just a nice toss to their boat side or transom leaving them with a startling KA-PLOOOSH can send a clear message |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | kodiak - 6/18/2012 11:13 AM
welcome to tonka, hope you had a nice stay
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Location: La Crosse, WI | I was out fishing on Memorial Day with my Dad and one of my friends on a 250 acre lake. There was a guy throwing a bulldawg on a point and we pulled in about 100 yards down the shoreline to fish it the opposite way he was casting. We put the trolling motor down and he yells over, "Thanks for cutting me off A-holes" I couldn't believe it, so I fired up the outboard and went to the opposite shoreline. He continued to work that point for the next half hour and never even reached the spot where we were going to fish. Then his buddy comes over and they sit there and talk for about 15 min. We were the only three boats on the water musky fishing. Really put a sour taste in my mouth. |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | Minnetonka can be bad and I hate to say it, but the Muskies, Inc guys are often the worst ones on the water. The worst cut-offs I've had the past few years were during Muskies, Inc events. I took a father and son out on Minnetonka last September when there was a Muskies, Inc chapter tournament going on and we were cut off on every spot but one and that was the one spot we caught a Muskie. We'd get fish going and then one and sometimes two boats would see us figure-8ng, come right in and start casting around my boat. Being a member of Muskies, Inc, I felt frustrated and embarrassed by those guys. Don't know what chapters all those guys were from, but good grief! How about letting others fish? Do you really have to cast ten feet from my boat? Are you really that desperate to catch a fish? It was a disgusting display of bad sportsmanship and nothing more.
I got cut off many times on the opening weekend and finally had to say something to a guy who moved in on a spot right ahead of me. His excuse was that I was on the outside of the spot while he drove right onto it. He even called me an amateur. Funny how the guy didn't even realize that he drove his boat right onto the spot on the spot and doing so would flush most fish right out of there. One needs stealth to fish shallow areas like that and driving right onto the spot only ensures that one will catch nothing. I suspect he was a Muskies, Inc member too.
Last Saturday was nice though. There were quite a few Muskie fishermen out there, but everyone was giving each other space and a couple of boats kept going when they saw my boat on a spot and I did the same for them. That is the way it should be. On a big lake like Tonka with so many spots to choose from, there just is no reason to cut in right ahead of another boat. I didn't recognize any of those fishermen so I'm suspecting the Muskies, Inc guys were fishing somewhere else on the lake.
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| Herb
muskies inc guys SHOULD know better then to cut people off no excuses!!!
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before you become TOO embarrassed with MI consider how many muskies they have bought and stocked in Tonka for everyone to enjoy |
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Location: oswego, il | I think Steve Hulbert put it best. People either dont know or dont care. You cant fix stupid and confronting the situation will likley lead to more stupidity. I get cut off most every time on the water. I attract these people for some reason. I just move or motor around.
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | Hook,
It wasn't you and I know that you never would cut anyone off like that. I also didn't recognize anyone from my own chapter doing that last fall or this year.
But still, not only was it embarrassing to have that happen while I was introducing a Dad and his son to Muskie fishing last fall, I was also contronted at the landing by two boats of non-Muskie fishermen who were upset about the way some of the tourney fishermen were behaving. I just told them that I was a member of Muskies, Inc, but I was not fishing in the tournament and didn't agree with that behavior. What could I say?
I think that its important to keep in mind that, as Muskies, Inc members, we are representing Muskies, Inc every time we are on the water and people notice our behavior. It is especially so if there is a Muskies, Inc tourney or outting. What goes around comes around.
Truth is that I am disgusted with just a few Muskies, Inc members - not all and certainly not the organization. Muskies, Inc does a lot for the Muskie fishery and Minnetonka is just one lake they have helped a great deal. And the people I know in my chapter are all great people.
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Location: Chaska MN. | FAT-SKI - 6/18/2012 10:37 AM
Tonka is hands down one of the worst lakes for jackasses on the water. There seems to be a new one every time you turn around. Sometimes I can't even stand to be on that lake. Drives me bonkers... But I am trying to not take it so seriously, otherwise I would be peed every time I was on the water. I just have to start letting stuff go.
That's why I haven't fished that lake in at least ten years
last time on tonka I was fishing a can outside one of the channels and had a big cruiser come out of the channel and he opened up the motor it sending a HUGE wake at me and my bass boat.
At that point I told my partner to hang on and when it was all done I had taken on about fifty gallons of water over the bow. Too many other good lakes to explore to waist my time out on that lake. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | in Wisconsin there are no big fish and everyone eats what they catch but there are enough lakes that you can find a place to fish in a pretty peaceful situation ... even on busy weekends if you know your way around. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 1 other boat on the little WI lake I was fishing last night. Moved a couple very nice fish and lost a real good one at boatside, too.
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Location: Madison, WI | I have had the same boat cut me off 3 times in two weeks now, close enough to land my dawg right next to the big motor and they just ignore me. Oh well they must think i know what im doing! Also on the madison chain last year i was casting a weedy shoreline and had the madison row team come so close to me, the one side of the crew had to stop rowing and hold their oars up in the air to not hit the side of my boat! But in their defense there was only 3000 acres of lake on the other side of me! |
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| Had a guy cut me off once so I made a cast towards his boat. The bait landed about 10 feet from his boat & on my third jerk of my retrieve I stuck a beauty! It was awesome! He just stood there and watched and then motored away, disgusted I hope! |
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| I have been cut off many times, now I try to fish really early or late to cut down on that. I even got cut off at the company pinic last week. Apparently they didn't like the fact that I worked midnight to 8am and wanted a few drinks after work...now that is BS! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Excuse me, what? |
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Location: deephaven mn | they are rude and wrong, respect the other fishermen if some one is there before you let them fish the spot. on tonka there are numerous spots no need to cut someone off. some guys just do get it, they put there blinders on. that being said it probably dose not matter the fish come and go one boat see's nothing the next one nothing the next catch's one. don't let it get to you, they are wrong. keep fishing, keep the karma, it will payoff |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Ya,.... It's all about respect and Common Courtesy.....
Don't get angry or heated to the point of RAGE,... or else your worse than the cut off man...
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | Personaly I would rather push a guy than have him push me through a spot. If another boat cuts you off and you just can't handle it-Just work through that spot faster than they are. You will be casting at the back of their boat very soon and they will work that spot faster than they wanted to. Once you get them moved past your sweet spot just turn around and work it like you normally would.
If I had the choice I would rather take my time behind someone rather than having that boat push me through the spot faster than I would have fished it. Having a boat casting up your rear end can make you fish it faster and more careless than usual.
Personaly now days I just fish every spot like I normaly would because other boats just don't bother me like they used too years ago.
A few high 5's and some yelling will let them know they missed out on a fish after they cut you off and you fished it behind them. Nothing better than sticking a fish behind a jerk who cut you off. I usually laugh and say "you missed one" as they turn around to see what all the yelling and high 5's are about.
Realy people, you just need to not let it bother you that much. Now if it happens more than a few times from the same jerk I usually will make a point to let them know how it feels.
I had a boat cut me off twice in a half day trip. The second time I explained to my clients what I was going to do. They said they would have the first time he cut us off. After the second time this jerk cut me off I just fired up my big motor, left the trolling motor down and drove rite up past him on the outside of his boat, I got about the same distance he was when he cut me off and I had my clients start casting away. He yelled and peeed and moaned about me getting too close to him and cutting him off. I just smiled and said" You came up and set up this far in front of me, I just gave you the same treatment, sucks don't it". He packed up his stuff and left. I went back to the start of the run and my clients stuck two muskies.
Don't get mad, just fish. If you have to make a point, do it calm and the same way they just did it too you. Also another good idea is too take a picture of the boat as you get close enough and they will wonder why. Tell them it's to share with all your friends and other guides. |
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| Like others have stated,,its Tonka,,,Muskie guys should know better but some lakes seem to bring out the bad in people,,,Tonka crowding,,Vermilion no lights at night,North end of Mile Lacs a game of chicken one boat working the break one way,,the other coming the other way whos gonna swerve.
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Herb, how do you know these are Muskies Inc guys? You said you don't know them, but you do KNOW they're in MI. Even at the tournament only about 1/4 of the participants are in MI from any chapter. I think you're making some pretty broad assumptions. |
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Location: Minnesota. | FAT-SKI - 6/18/2012 10:37 AM
When I am on Tonka I get cut off on a regular basis. I am not sure if it is the fact I am in a smaller boat, or people are just dingholes.
On Sunday morning I was fishing a point and moved a fish around 10am. I kept casting at it in hopes she would come back. As I look to my left there is a GIANT party boat with about 100 people on it heading in to drive between me and shore. There is another guy in a little boat crappie fishing not 60ft from me. This giant boat almost killed him, and of course I did not see that fish for the rest of the day. I really wasn't that far from the point and the fact that the boat came that close to the other guy really, really peeed me off. The captain of the boat even looked over at me and shrugged his shoulders. Said he had no room on the other side of me... as I looked back. if was a good couple hundred yards of empty space.
Tonka is hands down one of the worst lakes for jackasses on the water. There seems to be a new one every time you turn around. Sometimes I can't even stand to be on that lake. Drives me bonkers... But I am trying to not take it so seriously, otherwise I would be peeed every time I was on the water. I just have to start letting stuff go.
Ski,
I've only fished Tonka a few times last summer for this very reason. I live in the northern burbs and typically go anyway but south. I'd love to fish it more and might do so since I'm retired and can time the trips accordingly but still I don't like hearing this stuff.
Some of these posts...unreal. Sworral's post has my admiration, I'm trying to be more like that. My gutt tells me there's no excuse for rudeness and it's hard to tolerate. You can't fix stupid but many of these examples are simply plain arse rude.
Still, as Steve's example says, it's better to look the other way and not let it mess up your day but man, I have trouble doing that.
I'm a little guy and have lost a few teeth in my early years from speaking my mind so maybe it's time to just leave an ignoramus to his own devices - maybe I need to work on that. Still, it pees me off to no end, likely b/c I've never done that and have taught two boys to be really, really respectful on the water as well as on the road...
I think I'll use this post to remind myself when it happens. I need the trainin'...!!
Meantime, seems 'Tonka's a good a place as any to learn patience. I need to fish it more.
Good bunch of posts here.
Jeremy.
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | Mikes Extreme - 6/19/2012 1:49 AM
I had a boat cut me off twice in a half day trip. The second time I explained to my clients what I was going to do. They said they would have the first time he cut us off. After the second time this jerk cut me off I just fired up my big motor, left the trolling motor down and drove rite up past him on the outside of his boat, I got about the same distance he was when he cut me off and I had my clients start casting away. He yelled and peeed and moaned about me getting too close to him and cutting him off. I just smiled and said" You came up and set up this far in front of me, I just gave you the same treatment, sucks don't it". He packed up his stuff and left. I went back to the start of the run and my clients stuck two muskies.
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Location: Twin Cities, MN | Getting cut off is never fun.
I was up on Mille Lacs walleye fishing 2 weekends ago, and the same walleye pro cut us off 4 times over 2 days (evidently it was the only spot on the flats) The 4th time, his partner felt so bad, he tried to talk to us as they went by our bow by about 1 boat length.
I was surprised, but my fishing buddies said par for the course on Mille Lacs.
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Location: Iowa | I had 2 people cut me off within 10 feet of my boat in the clear lake tournament a couple weeks ago. We were first out fishing a spot and they each cut inside and outside of me while fishing the spot. Nobody caught a fish but it was all I could do to not say something. I think that close is pretty rediculous! |
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Location: McGuire AFB, NJ | I love sticking fish right in front of folks fishing ahead of my boat. There's no greater satisfaction!!!!
In fact I did it this weekend…nailed a 7.6 lrg mouth after a guy stopped about 75 yards in front of my rig on a 500,000 acres body of water. Paid no attention to him and just kept fishing. Of course, after watching the entire sequence of events, he blasted out in short order.
As a tourney angler this is something you just have to get over. Have confidence in your bait choice and presentation. The only person on the water that you can control…..is yourself.
Chris
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Location: Illinois | AFchris - 6/19/2012 11:10 AM Have confidence in your bait choice and presentation. The only person on the water that you can control…..is yourself. Chris God, grant me the serenity... If someone acts like a jerk on the water, returning the favor only diminishes your focus IMO. Stay cool and collected out there, and do the right thing by other boats. Do not let others bad behavior convince you YOU have to stoop to their level to succeed! I don't believe in karma. I act right because it's right, not for the upcoming cosmic reward!
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| did you ask the veteran in the back of your boat if getting cut off was really important enough to get upset about?
fishing tonka during the day still beats getting shot at in the middle of the desert.
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | Treats, I asked a few of them and they said they were members. I suppose maybe not all were members, but the worst ones sure were and they were fishing that Muskies, Inc tourney. Don't know where they were all from though. At any rate, some of those guys took that tourney way to seriously. Cutting right in on us within a half-cast length and then casting right up to my boat after we had a follow? That is way over the top in my book.
I suppose it could have been worse. They could have been mooning people. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Let me first say that I have sat idle and monitored this thread closely. It is very irritating for my wife and I to be out fishing, whether for bass or muskies, to have to deal with the idiots on the lake. Cross my path and you will hear from me. My wife has limited fishing abilities so I do get majorly offended when you swamp my boat and you will hear from me either on the lake or at the dock. Don't try to pull up and cast the same school of fish that we are clearly fishing. Don't anchor on the same point as me and get within a quarter of a cast length from another boat and expect to not hear from someone. Manners go both ways and while whats fair for one is not fair for all, I will put you in your place. You don't like it when you get cut off, so don't do it to others.
I warn some of you that "push" people off spots because some of the people I have met on the water are flat crazy. Especially when people fish and drink on the water. We have had people pull guns on us, in lakes where concealed carry is not allowed. We have seen people try to fight over fishing spots. We have even seen guys run figure 8's around the boat just because they got irritated. While some of us will not stoop to that level, there are many others that will without hesitation.
Use the manners our parents taught us and give someone else some space on the lake. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. I will not push you off a spot and I will not cut you off, but if you do those things to me, you will for sure hear about it.
Edited by RyanJoz 6/19/2012 1:20 PM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | muskellunged,
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| muskellunged - 6/19/2012 12:37 PM
AFchris - 6/19/2012 11:10 AM Have confidence in your bait choice and presentation. The only person on the water that you can control…..is yourself. Chris God, grant me the serenity... If someone acts like a jerk on the water, returning the favor only diminishes your focus IMO. Stay cool and collected out there, and do the right thing by other boats. Do not let others bad behavior convince you YOU have to stoop to their level to succeed! I don't believe in karma. I act right because it's right, not for the upcoming cosmic reward!
You should apply this to your internet behavior;) |
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | So what do you guys think about the sub behaviors?
Two that I love in particular were probably pioneered in MN. LOL
I call the first one the "MN 180" - this is a situation where you try to do the right thing by coming in behind a boat but as soon as you get going, the boat ahead of you does a 180 on the line and comes back at you. A direct product of fishing a weedline vs. fishing a spot on spot section of a weedline. You don't know what a boat's intention is when you set down a couple hundred yards behind them and start casting what you thought was now your spot to fish.
The other I call the "MN Shoulder" - this one starts the same as above but only this time they don't do a 180, they just move the boat in reverse. As you approach they position the boat so that you are pushed out from the structure or have to go in. Either way their intention is to keep you out.
I just fish around them no problem but a few guys that I've interacted with have acted like it was me in the wrong for showing up at all. Am I wrong? If they turn around am I supposed to leave?
Jono
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| Just pack up and cut them off. |
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Jono you know whatever a guide does is right. LOL.
If they do the 180 turn around, then that means you are on thier lake, so you might as well leave.
The shoulder is just a game of chicken. If you didn't have such a pretty Ranger you could call the bluff!
JS
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Location: Smith Creek | Jono, those two moves were started by the tournament guys, and perfected over time. If they move a fish they don't want the boat behind them catching it so they do the 180 and try to catch or at least burn the fish. |
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| if they do a 180 you can cross the T and hit them with a broadside from all your cannon batterys
oh no!! DSS flashback from the war of 1812 |
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Location: mpls | Get over it. I was cut off and cut in by Saric and Lapan so many times one day while they were filming that I just trolling motored over to them and asked if they just wanted my GPS coordinates for my next spot?
Saw them many more times that day, they would zoom in towards the spot, see me and decide not to fish it. I appreciated that, but if they had decided to fish it I would have just shrugged it off.
Point is, it is a fact of fishing these days. Annoying as hell, but not life threatening. |
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Location: Smith Creek | I'm getting one of these to fend off rude boaters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device |
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| I just stay away from the community spots! |
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| All you really have to do is start doing figure 8's and turn to your boat partner and say "oh my GOD, did you see the size of that fish!! She was HOT, too, just missed my bait! Ohh, that one had to be 52. Did you see how FAT she was!!"
Then you say "let's go back and run this same drift over again. We saw what, 3 fish in 20 minutes? And the last one was HUGE!! I've never seen a fish past here anyway."
Between them thinking that there are 3 active fish right behind where they are fishing, one giant fish you just missed, and the fact that you've never even seen a fish past where you are fishing? Unless they really know the lake, they're going to burn through that drift, and them come back around behind you, and probably camp out there all day long.
Then you can go fish wherever you want and take bets as to how many times they'll fish that spot before they give up. |
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Location: Okoboji | full moon randy |
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| Hey, Jim never tried to jump on my spot....come to think of it, nobody jumps on my spots? Is that some sort of high form of respect...or are my spots crap?? Yipes, I am going to have to rethink this thing!! Still OK to cast at Jetskis though, my ability to cast the pounder is less distance than they are supposed to stay away from my boat. Therefore I could not be "technically" liable for hitting them |
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Location: Ames, Iowa | I know that the DNR on Leech will take your other boat complaints seriously especially if you are anchored and the other boat or jet skier invades your space- intentionally or not. Just get a boat #. I've found like others have said here, that often these people don't even know that they are too close. Lots of once a year boaters out there. When the big sailboat went between me and the island I was fishing long time ago, I caught my 2nd muskie right in his wake. I was hoping he was going to split his keel on the rocks, but this was even better. |
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Location: St.Cloud | if you can see what they are throwin put something opposite on and catch a fish behind them seen it happen
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| If your all fishing in line just start throwing buoys out here and there. I did that on Mill Lac a few yrs ago watched guy after guy cast around my buoy markers. |
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Location: Minnesota. | Slow Rollin - 6/21/2012 11:43 AM
If your all fishing in line just start throwing buoys out here and there. I did that on Mill Lac a few yrs ago watched guy after guy cast around my buoy markers.
Old trick I used to use on Mille Lacs...carry an extra buoy marker 'cept that the weight is tied short (4 ft) so she drifts. Watch the goons follow it....and they will!
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| Jeremy - 6/21/2012 1:11 PM
Slow Rollin - 6/21/2012 11:43 AM
If your all fishing in line just start throwing buoys out here and there. I did that on Mill Lac a few yrs ago watched guy after guy cast around my buoy markers.
Old trick I used to use on Mille Lacs...carry an extra buoy marker 'cept that the weight is tied short (4 ft ) so she drifts. Watch the goons follow it....and they will!
Jeremy.
Ha ha , that is great... they were actually following a moving buoy? Or maybe then couldnt really tell it was slightly moving. |
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| While it is annoying, life is too short to get all upset about it. Opening day I was out with my son and there were only a handfull of boats on the lake we were fishing. We motored into a bay, dropped the trolling motor and maybe covered 30 yards before a boat pulled in less a hundred feet in front of me. I was stunned, given the lack of boats but kept fishing, with the intent of cutting across the bay and away from them. Third cast after they cut us off, I pulled in a shortie musky from the water they had just fished. I just reached down with a pliers, shook it off the hook, pointed at their boat while shaking my head at my son. I then started the big motor an moved off. Still have no idea why they thought that was proper but I did catch a fish where they couldn't and my son and I went on to have a nice day fishing. |
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| All of these posts about getting cut off reminds me of a time that my son and I were fishing Dale Hollow Lake in southern Ky.
A Houseboat comes back in a huge cove where we were fishing and cuts us off. Can you believe that? A houseboat.
Then a bunch of college girls came out onto the deck and pulled off their bikini tops. I'll never forget that.
Yep, good memories... |
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Location: one foot over the line | works for me... |
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Cut off by another muskie angler!