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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | I am clearly biased here, but I just felt like throwing it out.
Do you feel the internet in the last 15 years has had a POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE impact on muskie fishing? The sport, stocking efforts, clubs, gear, boats, knowledge, lake pressure...just positive or negative is your only vote!
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Location: minocqua, wi. | 1. sport has grown ...
2. friends and enemies made for life ...
3. (2) helped through a rough patch of life ...
4. better than TV drama ...
5. sometimes when you can't get out on the water, you can catch a whopper in here ... |
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Location: Contrarian Island | you forgot one Sled...
6. you can portray yourself to be a big fish catching machine, and know everything about every topic simply because you spout the information from every mhunter article you read or every conversation you had with all the guides you've hired.... when in reality you catch 5 a year if you're lucky and your pb is a 44"er you caught in 2003... my personal fav...
internet...a place everyone is a musky magician! ;o)
lots of good and bad about the internet..sled has most of it spot on...
the only real positive imo are the friendships made...
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| It does give people from MN an outlet to gain support for their causes. How many times have we had to email or call to support an issue in MN? It is a thankless job, but glad the internet is here to allow us to enable MN to have a decent fishery. BR |
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Location: Black Creek, WI | Slamr... you need a third option to vote for... that being BOTH. There are pros and cons to everything. |
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Location: Detroit River | For me personally the Internet has had a negative impact on my musky fishing on SC. Being a caster on SC, I used to have most of the areas I fish all to myself. I paid my dues putting in the time to find these spots & endured hours of getting tossed around in my small boat and going home sore.
Along come a few guys that have a strong need for attention and had to post every musky they caught on a local Internet site. Other guys see these posts then talk the attention whores into taking them out for musky and in return these clowns go telling everyone and their uncle where they caught the fish.
To make things worse a retired musky casting guide goes selling a map of 20 of his best casting spots on the lake and advertises this map on a local SC site. Add a few fishing shows into the mix and now one of my favorite spots that never had more than 2 or 3 boats a day fishing musky now has 15+ boats a day fishing it for musky. I’m sure with the recent fishing shows that filmed on SC during the fall bite those areas will be hit hard come this fall.
A lot of guys will say that SC is a big lake and that there’s plenty of musky to go around. When it comes to casting for musky on SC the lake fish’s like a small lake. Opening day this year had a good 40 boats fishing an area that was about 2 miles long by ½ mile wide (spawning area). A few new guys to musky fishing where out there and caught a few then went and posted on the Internet where, when & how they caught them. I’m sure these same guys will be crying come mid summer asking people where the musky are because they can’t catch them anymore.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i feel your pain ... but, in equal, yet opposite contrast the Internet has destroyed Wisconsin musky fishing ... it's not even worth wasting your time on our mid-30" fish. fishing in Wisconsin is terrible compared to the Holy Grail of Minnesota and LSC waters!!! |
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| Sled is a typical internet muskie angler. Portrays that he catches fish but has as much star power as Lucky Libby. He spends more time trolling for fights than actual time on the water. The internet has created jonnysleds and they can be found on every type of forum. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | the sled i know fishes smallies and plays golf ... |
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| Guest - 6/15/2012 8:40 AM
Sled is a typical internet muskie angler. Portrays that he catches fish but has as much star power as Lucky Libby. He spends more time trolling for fights than actual time on the water. The internet has created jonnysleds and they can be found on every type of forum.
I think the best invention is the "guest" though. It allows cowards a voice. H |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | You don't know Sled very well, Guest, and it's people like you who darken the experience with your drivel. The internet isn't anything but people in communication with each other. Cellular networks are no different, and texting is faster and more direct. It's probably better to ask if modern technology combined is good or bad. I'll go with good, because it allows for much more influence from an interest group than a letter writing campaign, and it's a part of the irrevocable fabric of current every day life....what one gets from it or gives to it is up to each individual. |
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Location: Smith Creek | I believe op muskie gained publicity mainly through the interwebs. Musky lures sales via online stores soar. Fisheries would have gotten crowded regardless. W/O the interwebs more movies and TV shows would have been made that gave away the locations anyway. That's how we hotspotted back then.
90% of Wisconsin muskie fisherman don't have a clue that muskie forums (or even the internet) exist. |
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Location: Minneapolis | I learned about getting all the right gear and some good lures to start with. More importantly I learned about all the release tools and leaving the fish in the water etc. I've also met and fished with some more experienced anglers thru this site. So I'd say it had a positive impact on me. |
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| The internet obviously advances communications. Communication spreads information (and unfortunately misinformation). The isolated angler can communicate with others, and sometimes learn from them. A big plus is e-commerce. You can usually find what you want and buy it over the net. What if you live in West Virginia and want lures only marketed in stores in Wisconsin and Minnesota? It's a long drive. Oh well... |
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| There's obviously some big negatives to the internet and but more importantly, some massive positives, just as J Long expressed, Pros & Cons to everything.
BNelson nailed it very well describing the armchair keyboard fishermen.
But overall, you just can not deny the massive positives to the sport, tourism, e-commerce, stocking, research, etc, etc, to the advancement of the sport. I remember, when I was young....vividly....having the drive for the musky and northern pike sport that I was so hooked on back then, that I'd have to go to the library (do libraries still exist today?  ) and checked out, with a library card, hard-back books to read up on whatever I could about the two fish and the one thing I kept learning and reading from those books back then was "Suick, suick, suick, suick." Haha! There was a lot of knowledge and a lot of tools, ie, lures, to use back then, but NOTHING compared to what is available to the anglers today.
Just like any hobby/sport and the internet, there's a forum on the internet for whatever you're interested in and there'll be clowns in each and everyone of those forums claiming to be a lot more than they really are. To be a steward of the internet and using these forums is to have a strong personal filter to weed through those individuals, to nevermind them and pay attention to those that have legit experience and knowledge...personal knowledge, not regurgitated knowledge. Sad thing is....the majority of those individuals that are out there that truly have the personal knowledge and experience are those individuals that Flambeauski speaks of; ie, they don't use the computer, don't need to or don't know what one is....or...don't have the time to bother with it. That's not to say there aren't still some really good individuals here on these sites, there certainly are great people, knowledgeable and experienced people here on these forums, but the vast majority are either newcomers, getting into the sport and learning first-hand, or the class clowns that BNelson speaks of.
It was interesting that about 7 or 8 years ago....I used to hop from one muskie forum to another and would pay attention to at least a dozen or so forum sites and started to see the same cast of characters and the same topics of discussions and the same arguments and quickly learned that I didn't need to waste my time trying to sift through all of that to try and hopefully find one nugget of useful information. Found it was a huge waste of time. Found this site to be the one site that I kept coming back to, I quit going to the others and just use this as my one-stop-shop for internet reading to take a 5 minute break from my daily routine.
All-in-all....internet: a positive to the sport of muskie fishing. As much as I'm on that fence, like J Long....to want to have that voting button to vote "Both." If I'm forced to choose...it's a positive.
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Location: Pelican Lake/Three Lakes Chain | Without a doubt a positive influence on the sport. Not saying there aint some bad, but overall very positive.
When I started out musky fishing there was literally zero information to be found on musky fishing. Musky Hunter Mag wasn't around, Al Gore hadn't invented the internet yet. Musky fishing was done either by gleaning knowledge from some experienced fisherman, or by trial and error. Unfortunately, I choose the latter. A few years of futility, and 1-5 fish seasons, and things started to makes sense, and success came after it.
Now any Tom, Dick, Harry or Jane can do a few searches on the internet and in three hours learn what took me three seasons. The information has surely changed the learniing curve, but unfortunately, it has also exposed the last of any real secrets that were ever out there.
I wouldn't change a thing about how I became a musky fisherman, I think my years of failure made me a better fisherman today, but I also envy the information that the newcomers have at their fingertips today. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | MACK - 6/15/2012 10:08 AM
BNelson nailed it very well describing the armchair keyboard fishermen.
I am curious to know. What exactly constitutes an arm-chair keyboard fisherman? How do you to deem someone one if you truly don’t know anything about them, or what their experience is? Is it because they don’t post many pictures of “proof” of their fish?
The internet is a wonderful thing until people start using it to make judgments about others without ever meeting or talking to that individual.
I voted a positive, but only because I think some of the positives out-weigh the negatives.
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Location: Smith Creek | "literally zero information to be found on musky fishing."
I didn't think you were THAT old.
I think Ramsell and Rizzo were writing about them back in the 1800's. |
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| CiscoKid - 6/15/2012 10:19 AM
MACK - 6/15/2012 10:08 AM
BNelson nailed it very well describing the armchair keyboard fishermen.
I am curious to know. What exactly constitutes an arm-chair keyboard fisherman? How do you to deem someone one if you truly don’t know anything about them, or what their experience is? Is it because they don’t post many pictures of “proof” of their fish?
The internet is a wonderful thing until people start using it to make judgments about others without ever meeting or talking to that individual.
I voted a positive, but only because I think some of the positives out-weigh the negatives.
It's something that takes time. When spending time in a forum such as this...you're able to eventually learn the personality traits of certain individuals by not only their posts over time, but by having personal experiences with those individuals and/or reading/hearing of others having personal experiences with those people. Surely we can't know everyone on a personal level. But there's a lot of people out there that their real-world reputation superceeds their internet persona. |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | I'm not really sure my vote counts all that much. If I am not at work, I am on the water. Trying to soak up all the personal experience and information that my brain can handle. I was musky fishing for roughly three years before I ever even thought of coming on a musky forum. This was my first, I have found the information on here to be second to none, there are an outstanding number of good sticks on this site (even though I'm sure some of full of it and even if the info is regurgitated it is still info I may not have known) and have appreciated all the discussions I have been able to be a part of. It has helped me a lot so far this season... Even though I am still without a musky in the net this season.
This site in particular has also opened up some wonderful opportunities for me to have the privilege of being a part of. Including larger roles in Muskies INC of which I feel very lucky and blessed to have the chance to be a part of something much greater than myself. So if it were not for the internet I would not have these special opportunities. All I know is, If I'm not at work I am on the water.. The internet and musky fishing gives me something to do while I am bored at work. |
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Location: 31 | I voted it's a positive even though I agree that the "hot bite" gets quickly found out by the masses and then eventually pummeled, it's good if you find out about it and get in on it, but bad if you're out in front of it.
However, I do not think it's just the Internet... that's just something tangible that you can see. The fact that everyone has a cell phone means there's more networking and news definitely travels faster at night in the fishing world these days.
As a matter of fact, I've seen areas get literally run over before everyone had a cell phone, and well before internet muskie forums were popular...it just took a lot longer is all. The positives far outweigh the negatives as far as techniques and equipment. For me it's an incredible luxury to post a problem on here and have a few opinions on how to solve it in a matter of hours.
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Location: Tennessee | I'm gonna have to say positive for me. I had only occasionally heard about muskie growing up and all my family members that used to get out in the outdoors and fish/hunt have passed away. I've not had anyone to get me in the outdoors so I've had to be self taught since I was little and now I have people coming to me for advice on guns, hunting, fishing, etc and in the case of alot of it, particularly muskie I can thank the internet. Instead of being the guy with a $50 bassrig and 20lb mono losing/guthooking fish with incorrect bait/rigs, I have topnotch gear, learned how to handle and release the fish. Made alot of friends and even got my best fishing partner thanks to muskie fishings online popularity. It also helps to gather info to plan trips to places for the first time without taking a shot in the dark. |
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Location: oswego, il | I voted positive. The internet is what you make of it. There is info and controversy and people who inflate and make up things. You can get hung up in or participate in any and all of it. Your choice. I have been around since the muskie central days and have made some great friendships, found places to fish and learned a ton by being a part. Most all of it from this site. Not the best or anywhere near but i am a whole lot better being involved.
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| I am curious to know. What exactly constitutes an arm-chair keyboard fisherman? How do you to deem someone one if you truly don’t know anything about them, or what their experience is? Is it because they don’t post many pictures of “proof” of their fish?
The internet is a wonderful thing until people start using it to make judgments about others without ever meeting or talking to that individual.
I voted a positive, but only because I think some of the positives out-weigh the negatives.
+1,000,000,000
Sworrall has got me pegged no doubt about it and has no idea who I am, but I bet he can block my Comcast Business IP with no problems. I guess I'll have to decide whether to continue being a jerk and lose my access here or maybe have a personal revelation and contribute something useful.
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| what would we be supposed to do on company time,,, "WORK" |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | I have met a few guys from just being on forums and facebook included a long lost cousin who have all help me become a better fisherman. I have benefited from it and have been attempting to fish muskies for the last 13 years. Without the internet I would have given up. Of course I hate seeing all those people on "my" lakes that heard about the bite from the internet. I think I was seeing more fish years ago on any given day and i was way worse at fishing. I blame that directly on pressure which mostly comes from the INTERNET! Just my opinion |
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Location: Smith Creek | happy hooker - 6/15/2012 1:13 PM
what would we be supposed to do on company time,,, "WORK"
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| I think it's great for sharing information and definitely for entertainment's sake. It's definitely been great for getting all the anglers out of Northern WI and over fishing in MN instead. Which is great for N WI and not so great for MN...
As for all the other nonsense? I don't judge anybody's character until I've spent a day in the boat with them and an evening in the bar afterwards. Posting anonymously gives one free license to say stuff they'd never be dumb enough to say in person. If they were that dumb they'd have fallen out of their boats and drowned long long ago... |
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| For me, the folks who have a problem often forget what this stuff really is. It is an opportunity to voice an opinion or ask a question. And opinions, as most folks know are like rectums...everybody has one...some smell better than others. And even what happens there is often a matter that goes on with no consensus. And, this is supposed to be recreation. I have an opinion on everything, am on the water a whole lot more often without a muskie than I would prefer, try to compete as best as I can when doing that......but, this is ENTERTAINMENT. This is supposed to be about putting joy in a life that is often too full of work and worry. What, I am trying to say is, "Who really gives a good gosh-darn what the heck rod and reel you think is best for pulling double tens anyway?" I like the one I like and I even have their name plastered all over my boat...but it is just for my entertainment. Honestly, I try to spend time here and on the water instead of listening to political nastyness on the news. I will respect your right to say anything, but please just say it sort of nicely and without calling names. This is the kind of stuff that soon jumps into discussion of penis size, am I am just (sadly) not prepared to argue the "point." |
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Location: 31 | Kirby Budrow - 6/15/2012 1:17 PM I have met a few guys from just being on forums and facebook included a long lost cousin who have all help me become a better fisherman. I have benefited from it and have been attempting to fish muskies for the last 13 years. Without the internet I would have given up. Of course I hate seeing all those people on "my" lakes that heard about the bite from the internet. I think I was seeing more fish years ago on any given day and i was way worse at fishing. I blame that directly on pressure which mostly comes from the INTERNET! Just my opinion Kirby, I think what you're saying is true to a point... mainly just at at how quickly word spreads nowadays. But I don't think it's just the Internet, there's cellphones, texts, and certainly more of us now... part of what you are saying is the Internet, but the muskie fraternity is actually still very small, and people definitely yack more freely outside the Internet.
Like I said, I've seen fabulous fishing areas/spots get overrun in a matter of a couple of years well before the internet, and hardly anyone had cell phones then too. There's no question that word gets out faster now, and keeping something under wraps is harder these days. If you've discovered something on your own and then it becomes overrun in a couple of years... who's really to blame?
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| Jerry Newman - 6/15/2012 2:27 PM
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If you've discovered something on your own and then it becomes overrun in a couple of years... who's really to blame?
Not to overstate the obvious, but if that happens it's your own fault, unless you've kept your mouth shut about it. How many of the MN guys crying about the pressure on their fisheries were our in force posting big fish pictures and talking about how great the fishing was 5 - 10 years ago?
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Location: Northern New Jersey | although people sometimes catch a lot of flack from others on forums and other sites, i think it is a generally good thing for musky fishing. more info is out there for general public so they an become more knowledgeable. i personally have learned loads from this site and others in the last few months. |
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| I think the internet is a positive tool for musky fishing. Learning about baits and tackle and the how to's and when's are all very good things for everyone. Now, if you feel the need to let everyone in on your little slice of heaven because you just boated a 50" fish and have multiple fish days on that spot. You have no right to complain. Maybe you should have checked your ego at the keyboard. |
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Location: The desert | Clearly positive. Who would know who Brad Nelson is without the Internet? |
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| Zib - 6/15/2012 8:19 AM
For me personally the Internet has had a negative impact on my musky fishing on SC. Being a caster on SC, I used to have most of the areas I fish all to myself. I paid my dues putting in the time to find these spots & endured hours of getting tossed around in my small boat and going home sore.
Along come a few guys that have a strong need for attention and had to post every musky they caught on a local Internet site. Other guys see these posts then talk the attention whores into taking them out for musky and in return these clowns go telling everyone and their uncle where they caught the fish.
To make things worse a retired musky casting guide goes selling a map of 20 of his best casting spots on the lake and advertises this map on a local SC site. Add a few fishing shows into the mix and now one of my favorite spots that never had more than 2 or 3 boats a day fishing musky now has 15+ boats a day fishing it for musky. I’m sure with the recent fishing shows that filmed on SC during the fall bite those areas will be hit hard come this fall.
A lot of guys will say that SC is a big lake and that there’s plenty of musky to go around. When it comes to casting for musky on SC the lake fish’s like a small lake. Opening day this year had a good 40 boats fishing an area that was about 2 miles long by ½ mile wide (spawning area). A few new guys to musky fishing where out there and caught a few then went and posted on the Internet where, when & how they caught them. I’m sure these same guys will be crying come mid summer asking people where the musky are because they can’t catch them anymore.
Darn it! Zib, I'm always looking for new spots to fish out there. I must have missed that post, lol! Where we were that weekend, there were NO muskie boats 90% of the time. The ones we saw did fly-by's. Don't limit yourself so much. They are everywhere your confidence allows them to be.... |
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| The real power of the internet forums is the speed you can learn who is a jerk. Takes a year of company picnics and backyard BBQs to learn what the net shows you in a week. |
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| larryc - 6/15/2012 6:51 PM
The real power of the internet forums is the speed you can learn who is a jerk. Takes a year of company picnics and backyard BBQs to learn what the net shows you in a week.
Well some folks get a bit more out of it than that, but hey If you can learn quickly what typically takes you years on the web. You have found your educational forum. BR |
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| As someone who got back into Muskie fishing after over 2 decades, I found it very helpful. Yes, there are some who are rude, dumb, etc., but most are willing to help a new, or in my case, returning fisherman. You can go into lots of stores and buy baits, etc., but having someone with experience provide tips on how to work those baits is a huge help. Tips on what release tools to have handy when fishing by yourself, how to set up the boat when fishing by yourself, those things would take a lot of trial and error but when experienced fishermen share, the learning curve is shortened. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Jerry Newman - 6/15/2012 2:27 PM
Kirby Budrow - 6/15/2012 1:17 PM I have met a few guys from just being on forums and facebook included a long lost cousin who have all help me become a better fisherman. I have benefited from it and have been attempting to fish muskies for the last 13 years. Without the internet I would have given up. Of course I hate seeing all those people on "my" lakes that heard about the bite from the internet. I think I was seeing more fish years ago on any given day and i was way worse at fishing. I blame that directly on pressure which mostly comes from the INTERNET! Just my opinion Kirby, I think what you're saying is true to a point... mainly just at at how quickly word spreads nowadays. But I don't think it's just the Internet, there's cellphones, texts, and certainly more of us now... part of what you are saying is the Internet, but the muskie fraternity is actually still very small, and people definitely yack more freely outside the Internet.
Like I said, I've seen fabulous fishing areas/spots get overrun in a matter of a couple of years well before the internet, and hardly anyone had cell phones then too. There's no question that word gets out faster now, and keeping something under wraps is harder these days. If you've discovered something on your own and then it becomes overrun in a couple of years... who's really to blame?
Yes I can see your point too. I fish the same lake every opener and the number of boats increase exponentially every year! I would say it's mostly internet but all sorts of media and people blabbing contribute. Everyone is guilty and its not all bad. Like many say, its good that the sport is growing. I do my best to keep my mouth shut on spots and lakes but when you get to talking with some guys, you can't help but run your mouth a little bit. I just wish I could catch more and bigger muskies and of course I could never blame myself, so it has to be somebody's fault right?!?!?!  Oh yeah, and I voted positive......
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Location: Detroit River | fishblood - 6/15/2012 7:21 PM
Zib - 6/15/2012 8:19 AM
For me personally the Internet has had a negative impact on my musky fishing on SC. Being a caster on SC, I used to have most of the areas I fish all to myself. I paid my dues putting in the time to find these spots & endured hours of getting tossed around in my small boat and going home sore.
Along come a few guys that have a strong need for attention and had to post every musky they caught on a local Internet site. Other guys see these posts then talk the attention whores into taking them out for musky and in return these clowns go telling everyone and their uncle where they caught the fish.
To make things worse a retired musky casting guide goes selling a map of 20 of his best casting spots on the lake and advertises this map on a local SC site. Add a few fishing shows into the mix and now one of my favorite spots that never had more than 2 or 3 boats a day fishing musky now has 15+ boats a day fishing it for musky. I’m sure with the recent fishing shows that filmed on SC during the fall bite those areas will be hit hard come this fall.
A lot of guys will say that SC is a big lake and that there’s plenty of musky to go around. When it comes to casting for musky on SC the lake fish’s like a small lake. Opening day this year had a good 40 boats fishing an area that was about 2 miles long by ½ mile wide (spawning area). A few new guys to musky fishing where out there and caught a few then went and posted on the Internet where, when & how they caught them. I’m sure these same guys will be crying come mid summer asking people where the musky are because they can’t catch them anymore.
Darn it! Zib, I'm always looking for new spots to fish out there. I must have missed that post, lol! Where we were that weekend, there were NO muskie boats 90% of the time. The ones we saw did fly-by's. Don't limit yourself so much. They are everywhere your confidence allows them to be....
A 14' 5" boat with a 25 HP is limited to where it can fish on LSC. Especially on the weekends with all the Tuna boats out there. My son told me today that he wants to fish LSC on Sunday so I'll go out there for him otherwise I would have just slept in. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | After a couple beers and a great dinner of crappies and gills, I proclaim it...neither. |
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| Can't say that internet Forums have had any impact one way or the other on my fishing---but overall I have to give the Internet a vote of Positive for impact on Muskie fishing because it makes it easier to:
1) shop for lures or about anything else you want to buy
2) research a place you want to fish
3) MapQuest a route to get there
4) find a place to stay
5) email your buddy get the grocery shopping list
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| Both...I have been a member from about day 10. I too used to go to several message boards looking for THE new info, most were the same.Gotta use lure a in place z and lure b in spot zz.... Then there was and still is product bashing,heck,I gotta 100 lures that never lived up to the hype. Peeps bashing was real bad,it has gotten better.I have benn bashed several times,that is why I rarely post,M1st is good about it,might be the best in the www. The good,meet new people,fish new waters,info is readily available. BAD, ONE post about lake X can lead to an enormous ammount of pressure, Lure hype.Just cause personality X has a pic with it/with a fish will not make it the best lure ever! Bashing,can lead to long term grudges etc. Internet fisherman,eg armchair fisherman...anyone can hide behind a "guest name" like I am doing now.used to P me off now I laugh at em... Well I gotta go bash some lures and put down a kid for keeping his first muskie,a 42 1/2 incher. J/K!!! I don't bash lures.... |
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| Positive for the noobs,guides,lures builders etc etc but there is nothing positive for fish.
With internet good spot cant stay secret for long time,
once a big mouth talk too much,the circus go invade and ruined the the lake,and even if cpr is done(not always properly) fisheries go down in quality,quantity everytime,always a matter of time
next one is probably st-clair by chance it's a big buddy of water but imo once again it's just a matter of time.
at the ends the guides,noobs,and the others are the losers.
Take a look at wi the ''musky capital'' it's over fished like hell,even with all the massive stocking program quality is really not there,and it's never gonna be the place to be for big fish in quantity,maybe that's the spray fault hehehe
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Location: minocqua, wi. | learntoswim - 6/17/2012 7:09 AM
Positive for the noobs,guides,lures builders etc etc but there is nothing positive for fish.
With internet good spot cant stay secret for long time,
once a big mouth talk too much,the circus go invade and ruined the the lake,and even if cpr is done(not always properly) fisheries go down in quality,quantity everytime,always a matter of time
next one is probably st-clair by chance it's a big buddy of water but imo once again it's just a matter of time.
at the ends the guides,noobs,and the others are the losers.
Take a look at wi the ''musky capital'' it's over fished like hell,even with all the massive stocking program quality is really not there,and it's never gonna be the place to be for big fish in quantity,maybe that's the spray fault hehehe
i'm remined ...
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Location: WI | I vote positive soley for the education tools available. Proper C&R videos and posts/comments can and do help the sport. |
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| I really don't think there's anything on the interent that you can't find somewhere else. Buy a book, read a magazine, go to a club meeting, watch a TV show, sit in the bar on a Saturday night, spend a day at one of the musky shows, hire a guide, go fishing with your friends, the information is out there all over the place. The really important stuff can only be learned out on the water, by learning from what went wrong and trying to re-create what went right.
Don't get me wrong - The internet makes some of the learning faster and easier, especially when you're new. But you can read about keeping a fish pinned, or making accurate casts, doing a good figure 8, or getting a good hookset, and you still won't be able to do it until you've blown it enough times to be able to FIX what you are doing wrong.
Fun to read other's opinions on gear and tackle and why fish do what they do, but in the end the only thing that really does you any good on the water is whatever you learned on the water. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hiya,
I will be the first to say that my knowledge base (the boat and motors information) was something I gained through years of reading and trying things I learned from many others on different websites. In terms of muskie fishing, I have found good and bad (as I would expect many have) on various things, and it is amazing how cabin fever starts showing itself within weeks of the end of the season. I truly believe that although some argument start and drag on (and I am guilty of contributing to them from time to time), people may not be as "blunt" in person as they would be online since they cannot hide behind a computer screen. Heck...I can remember times where sled and I would go at it from time to time, but I'd like to meet him someday (and...now knowing he plays golf, all the better...).
Many of the negative aspects have been stated such as regional places/hotspots to fish, but I also look at it this way... If it weren't for places such as muskiefirst, would we see the massive use of longer rods, the double cowgirl or bulldawg (then the magnum, then the pounder) and so on? I would not have learned of those technologies, or techniques to using them without something internet related.
If it weren't for MuskieFirst itself, I would never have met Bigman, TJ DeVoe, Rudy, Steve Worrall, Jerome, and many others, nor would I have learned anything for Lake Vermilion (and that learning curve still has a long long way to go...)
Overall, I would say my experience with the internet is without a doubt more positive than anything.
Steve
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| learntoswim - 6/17/2012 7:09 AM
Positive for the noobs,guides,lures builders etc etc but there is nothing positive for fish.
With internet good spot cant stay secret for long time,
once a big mouth talk too much,the circus go invade and ruined the the lake,and even if cpr is done(not always properly) fisheries go down in quality,quantity everytime,always a matter of time
next one is probably st-clair by chance it's a big buddy of water but imo once again it's just a matter of time.
at the ends the guides,noobs,and the others are the losers.
Take a look at wi the ''musky capital'' it's over fished like hell,even with all the massive stocking program quality is really not there,and it's never gonna be the place to be for big fish in quantity,maybe that's the spray fault hehehe
The best muskie fishing in the World is out east, it stays less pressured because of location and the difficulty in fishing it. Most of the pressure on lakes these days is because of convenience. BR |
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| I think there are a few aces (jacks, queens, kings too) missing from some of our decks. The disconnect is between what we don't like about our web surfing experience and the fact that too many anglers are chasing a realistically small fishery. I don't see the two as connected much really. Where fish are biting does not require the Internet to advertise it. It's a business as well as a hobby and those in the business will get the word out. What we have really is a sport that is simply growing exponentially faster than the numbers of stadiums where we can play the game. If you thought you had a lake that was for you and a few friends, you either don't or soon won't. It's not the net, it's math. |
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| Maybe I am old school and hard headed. But when I read about a "hot bite" or a tatic that is working online, for the most part I disregard that information anyway. I figure by the time the info reaches me, the pattern has changed or it has been over exposed. The internet is a great thing, and the muskies are better off because of it, but fishing has also changed. Something I am continuiously adapting to.
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| For me it's primary positives are for the new angler, videos, articles and hiring a guide to observe how an experienced angler fishes all help shorten the learning curve and the internet is just another tool. All in all for self taught anglers it can be really difficult to get a decent handle on this sport in a reasonable time frame without help. I think the tackle and equipment reviews can be very helpful as well for all anglers new and experienced. Also the ability to research new lakes, stocking reports, arial photos and wheather forcasts is also a powerful tool. I think the negative within the positive is that on a forum a person does have to carefully "sift" through the information given. While all experiences by all anglers are worth hearing, I fear the people with the most experience and knowledge are often the least likely to share because they don't want to have to argue with the less experienced angler who can sometimes come off abrasively.
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Location: 31 | musky-skunk - 6/18/2012 10:56 AM For me it's primary positives are for the new angler, I fear the people with the most experience and knowledge are often the least likely to share because they don't want to have to argue with the less experienced angler who can sometimes come off abrasively. Nice post and I agree with most... I don't think there's any question that for a new angler the internet is probably their most valuable learning tool even though most is printed in books and magazines because it's interactive. I wish I had this when I was a kid!!!
I think the most experienced anglers really just have very little to gain other than the satisfaction of helping others out... and not so much the less experienced abrasiveness. It is true that some people just like to argue, but after a while it's pretty easy to pick up who those people are and then simply ignore them. There are 2 people who frequent this site that I will never acknowledge or reply to... I don't even read their posts. I sincerely believe you will all get out of muskie first what you put in it. I've actually spent quite a bit of time posting my experiences and opinions here for what they are worth, and feel that I've gotten every bit of that back... and then some. Cheers.
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| That is a good point and I agree completely, the lack of need is probably a far more common reason.
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| First time poster on this forum, just joined today after hearing so much about this site. Very cool forum and site I might add.
I've joined a few musky forums over the past 9 months after deciding to target muskies instead of catching them by accident while fishing for other species. I've found that I've become addicted to the sport and cash poor after building my lure collection. But in general, I think that the internet is a good thing for musky fishing in general, but can see that some negative things can happen.
The positive is, and I can speak from experience, is educating anglers about musky. I've learned a ton of info from musky anglers that I've had the pleasure to fish with, not only about how to fish for them, tackle, etc., but rather how to treat muskies after being caught from a conservation standpoint, what tools to have, etc. to ensure a clean healthy release as much as possible. I've been a CP&R guy for bass and walleyes for many many years, and the muskies that I've caught by accident were also treated with what I thought was the utmost care prior to release. But there were things that I didn't know about that could have put those fish at risk. I know better now.
Bass anglers in my state and others often want muskies and tiger muskies dead, and a little education goes a long way showing that the bass fisheries often improve when musky populations are present. I've seen that.
So, from a conservation standpoint, yes, the net is very helpful.
I can also understand that the net can have a negative impact on fishing, i.e. spot burning/lurkers, etc. But I think that the conservation discussions and the info that people can learn about that far offset any harm that the net has done.
My two cents, plus a couple more.
Thanks for the great forum...I'll be sleepless for many nights trying to catch up on zillions of unread posts here... |
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| Mostly a positive impact, at least on my fishing. Exposure to new techniques, locations, lures, etc. a big plus. You still need to be on the water though, in the right spots, right presentation, right time. The Internet can only take you so far.
I do prefer, though, the musky club interaction and sharing of information. Nothing like to face-to-face interaction. |
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| It has come down to people being too lazy to learn on their own. Most tv hosts use guides then disregard them after they got what they wanted from them. But, I am leaning more toward negative because of so many egos growing and growing because they have caught fish. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Too lazy? No...using an available resource? Yes.
Egos grow because of catching fish, and it's the fault of the internet? Hardly, that's part of fishing; always has been and always will be. |
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| I am referring to some people, not everyone. I like this site because of the interesting topics and great pics (positive). People constantly bashing others (negative). |
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Location: Des Moines IA | TC MUSKIE - 6/15/2012 9:29 AM
I learned about getting all the right gear and some good lures to start with. More importantly I learned about all the release tools and leaving the fish in the water etc. I've also met and fished with some more experienced anglers thru this site. So I'd say it had a positive impact on me.
I couldn't agree more. How many of us have learned proper release, and CPR guidelines from the internet. That alone has helped muskie fishing. |
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| Guest - 6/27/2012 5:04 PM
It has come down to people being too lazy to learn on their own. Most tv hosts use guides then disregard them after they got what they wanted from them. But, I am leaning more toward negative because of so many egos growing and growing because they have caught fish.
That's called good publicity for the guides. Do you think the guides are really all broken up because their name and resort was mentioned on MH while Saric holds up a 50" fish? Good business that is.
As for being too lazy to learn on their own? You might have a point if anyone was reading stuff on the internet INSTEAD of going fishing, but how is using your time off the water to improve your knowledge and skills when your are ON the water being lazy? Pile your gear in the corner and don't even try to figure out why you caught fish or didn't today, THAT is lazy.
God bless 'ya though if you're happy to just go out there and blindly fling baits around with no idea what you are doing and why. Makes me wonder why you're here, though...
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The Internet and Muskie Fishing - Positive or Negative?