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| A discussion came up in the boat today that I don't think my partner and I adequately addressed--so as much as I generally don't care for these questions, I thought I would pose it to a greater audience. Over the life of the sport, who has had the greatest and perhaps most lasting impact on the sport of musky fishing? And of course why? Thanks everybody, and if the question has been addressed already I do apologize. |
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| buck perry and the lindners. perry with the foundations of modern sport fishing, lindners added such things as emphasis on baitfish and made info more attractive to the masses. lots of you will no doubt want pure musky people here, but they stand on shoulders such as these...maybe throw in rizzo as first that i know of to write about suspended musky. |
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| Gil Hamm. Pretty easy one. |
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Location: Michigan |
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| Not an individual, but I would argue that Muskies Inc. has had the greatest impact on our sport by being the pioneers that encouraged catch and release. Almost all muskie fisherman release 99% or more of the fish we catch, and Muskies Inc. is largely responsible. |
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| Muskies Inc is regional and the best muskie fisheries in NA have very little to do with MI. In the midwest thought MI was big in the past. Still think Homer Leblanc was the man. BR |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | The old Fishing Facts magazine of the 60's gave us the Lindners,Buck Perry, Babe Winkleman, Spence Petros,it spawned Inn fisherman and Muskie Hunter in the 70's. Imagine a magazine devoted entirely to muskies. Thunder on the Water a whole TV show about muskies
We learned from Art Lawton, Len Hartman,even if the truth was stretched.
We learned from fellow members of Muskies Inc. and Muskies Canada who we fished with over the years so its been a progression of influence.
But the thing that I think that has had the most influence on Muskie fishing is the internet and not always for the better. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | my first reaction to the question acually was Brad Hoppe...cowgirl...how can you argue w that...there isn't a day spent on the water we don't hear the clank of 2 blades hitting each other on the cast... there are def times I wish he hadn't come out with that dammn thing!!!! ; ) |
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Location: north central wisconsin | O.G. Schmidt |
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| Great point Brad. My first thought though was Joe Bucher. I think he's done alot for our sport over the past 30 years. |
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| In michigan: Will Schultz |
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Location: Lake of the Woods, Morson, Ontario | Robert F. Strand - Retired Fisheries Biologist, MN DNR
The most important man in muskie fishing you've probably never heard of.
Anyone that's caught a muskie in Minnesota in a lake that doesn't have natural reproduction can thank "The Godfather" of muskie fishing.
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Location: Minnesota | Cant forget George Wahl who brought us the MN Muskie Expo along with the Eagletails... There are quite a few who would make up the ELITE list, it would seem... |
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Location: Contrarian Island | who was the biggest advocate for C&R back in the day... look at the % of fish killed back in the 70s and now...who had the biggest impact on getting us all on board with C&R...? Bucher was in that era...
Gil Hamm founded Muskies Inc...look at what that org has done for the sport...stocking/education etc.....lots of guys come to mind when you stop to think ....... |
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Location: Detroit River | Jon Bondy gets my vote for most recent impact.
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Location: Detroit River | BenR - 6/13/2012 8:07 AM
Muskies Inc is regional and the best muskie fisheries in NA have very little to do with MI. In the midwest thought MI was big in the past. Still think Homer Leblanc was the man. BR
Agree with Homer Leblanc.
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| If we want to bring up musky stocking program founders then we must bring up Gene Allen, he was the man behing the Green Bay musky stocking. It was soley his idea to bring them back and it all started with one little jar of eggs from the indian river in Michigan. |
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Location: oswego, il | Tons of names to put on the list. To pick just one that has had the most impact hard to do. Hard not to put Mr. Worrall on the list for bringing this fish to the internet in a big way. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | ToddM - 6/13/2012 9:17 AM
Tons of names to put on the list. To pick just one that has had the most impact hard to do. Hard not to put Mr. Worrall on the list for bringing this fish to the internet in a big way.
Was it Steve, or Jason Smith? |
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| Lindners,petros,bucher they had me hooked in the 80's with fishing facts and in fisherman magazine |
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| Louis Spray. His name has spurred more debate, mythology, and controversy than just about anyone else I know.
Either him or Dorazio. Probably a toss up. Which wouldn't be fair, because Dave is so much shorter than Louis was. |
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| I know most people don't care for him but do not forget Bob Mehsikomer. He did certainly have an impact. |
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How are you defining impact??
Best Lure? Biggest impact on conservation? Biggest impact on getting states (like MN) to expand muskie fishing opportunities? Biggest impact on Research?
I can think of 3 people that if any one of them had not been involved in Muskies things would be very different now; Gil Hamm, Bob Strand and Dr. Casselmen.
Lures/guides/celebrities may make you catch more fish, but if the fish aren't there it really doesn't matter does it??
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Location: Northern IL | There have been many who have made many positive contributions in all sorts of areas but there's only one when it comes to who made the most lasting impact on "catching a fish" its not even up for debate. The great Buck Perry was the one who made all the 1st discovories. Many have added to but without a foundation of facts from Mr. Perry's teachings the add ons wouldn't have happened and when you ask them who that person was, they all say it was Buck!
If you havn't read this written by Ron Lindner you should: http://www.fishhound.com/blog/opening-salvo-chicago-57
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'Was it Steve, or Jason Smith?'
Jason did a great job working with OFM as editor at MuskieFIRST the first couple seasons. So have a number of others working as moderators over the years. Slamr does a great job as MuskieFIRST's managing editor, and has for a very long time.
My vote is Buck followed by the Lindners. |
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Location: Eagan, MN | For me personally, the anglers who have most influenced how I fish are Doug Stange, Doug Johnson, the Lindners and Tony Rizzo. Of course Gil Hamm and all of the fisheries biologists who contributed to the fishery can't be overlooked. As far as lure inventors, again personally for me, Frank Suick and whoever invented the bucktail. |
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| Rizzo hands down. Easy one.
I once heard a quote from an older fisherman at a landing who was talking about great musky anglers and guides. The old guy said "Rizzo has forgotten more about musky fishing than anyone else has ever known." |
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| Wow. I can't believe the number of individuals named who came recent that people mention?
There would be not Hoppe, or any of the Minnesota fishing or guys if it wasn't for stocking. (if Miltona didn't become a stocked lake we would probably have some super walleye bait instead of a double ten.) I agree with JS in Minnesota and Muskies Inc. guys accross the region. Without stocking, release, and the rest of the now old timers we don't have much of a sport. |
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Location: Minnetonka | It's a personal thing. Different people have impacted different areas of the sport.
Paul Hartman and Carrie Hoppe have made the biggest impacts on muskie fishing as I know it. Paul because of his relentless stocking efforts and advocacy for new muskie waters in MN, as well as his radical and competitive muskie tournament trail. Carrie because she invented the best bait(s) I've ever used–a pioneer of the bucktail world. |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | I have not been in this for nearly as long as others. However from what I have learned over the years and in my recent time with Muskies inc. I would have to say that Muskies inc as a whole has had one of the largest impacts on the sport. They really pushed CPR, stocking and rearing, not to mention plenty of conservation conquests throughout the country and Canada. Also a lot of the names mentioned have been or are currently part of Muskies inc. To name one person would be hard, muskies inc is larger than any one person, but all of those strong names working together as one unit has really made all the difference in muskies inc and this wonderful addicting sport.
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| Dr Stewart Adams,,who invented Ibuprofen |
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Location: oswego, il | Yep Jason helped push the ball and a part of M.I. |
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| Did you ask about biggest impact on muskie fishing as a whole or biggest impact on the skulls of individual muskies?
If it's the former, I would say it's Mr. Hamm in Minnesota and Mr. Larry Slagoski in Wisconsin. Mr. Bucher was the key figure in developing the industry.
However, if it's the latter, he's been named here too. |
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| Len Hartmen changed musky fishing every where there is muskies not just 1 state,city or town.. none of you trollers would even be musky fishing if it wasn't for him..
Joe Bucher also changed musky fishing on a grand scale called night fishing witch again changed the way people fished for muskies every where there is muskies.. |
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| MuskyLureFreak - 6/13/2012 1:53 PM
Len Hartmen changed musky fishing every where there is muskies not just 1 state,city or town.. none of you trollers would even be musky fishing if it wasn't for him..
Joe Bucher also changed musky fishing on a grand scale called night fishing witch again changed the way people fished for muskies every where there is muskies..
Are talking internet trollers? Or trollers as in trolling for muskies at 5 MPH/ Cause if it's the latter, I never hesrd of Len Hartman untill a long time after I started trolling. For muskies that is. |
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| I don't think it is a who as it is a what. The Internet!!! Curious to know how noted the before mentioned would be with out it, even though some are pre internet. |
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| What the hell is wrong with you people? The question is to be answered by each person , and their opinion is no less valid than the one before or after. Get your collective heads out of the crabbass bag, and try enjoying a day once. |
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| Impact on the sport...too many to list and many that I 'm sure are off the radar and unknown to me. Thanks to all of them.
Impact on "catching" whoever figured out that whole figure 8 thing. I would love to know who that was and what the spark was that made him or her try it.
Impact on how I fish personally... from his writings...Dick Pearson |
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Location: Washington, PA | Slamr. Possibly a negative impact, but an impact no less. |
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| Man, haven't posted here in a while...but this caught my attention...
A few good names on the list, but... Some people have short memories. Others, apparently, have none at all. That's ok. If you've been muskie fishing 5 years, then that's your history, and it's cool to see some of the names people come up with. I'm not trying to be a curmudgeon here. But there are some names that shouldn't be left out.
- Mark Windels, Dick Pearson, and Doug Johnson, and the Lindners for giving them a venue in the In-Fisherman. While most muskie fishermen were treating muskies as unicorns with fins, and waxing poetic in MI magazine about their 15 year quest for a 'legal,' Windels, Pearson, and Johnson were developing the knowledge we now take for granted - Windels' efficient, common sense approach to covering water, and revolutionary takes on rods, reels and lures (I'll never forget reading the first article about him in In-Fish. Blew my mind. I bet I re-read it 20 times...); Pearson's Trout water exploration in Canada and his discoveries about muskies on rocks, deep water fish, and on and on; Johnson's methodical breakdowns of meso water muskies that apply almost anywhere they swim. Look at the articles they were involved in from the early days of In-Fish, and it's the bedrock of modern muskie fishing. Add in Homer LeBlanc from the trolling angle, and they were pretty much the pantheon in terms of teaching the rest of us what's what. Still are, frankly.
- The catch and release radicals in the early days of MI, like Steve Voight, Jack Burns, Sol Brandys and others, who finally shamed MI into ending the kill divisions in their tournaments by hammering over and over one simple and immutable fact at a time when the fishery was made up almost entirely of natural, wild muskies: dead fish don't breed... It was Voight who, virtually single-handed, convinced the OMNR to make Lac Suel C&R Only
- Bob Strand. If you've caught a muskie on Mille Lacs, Vermilion, Big Detroit, or any of the other stocked lakes in MN, he's the reason. I would be willing to bet that a lot of you have no earthly idea what muskie fishing was like in MN before the mid 1990s when it was all natural lakes. You can say that this is too narrow and limited to Minnesota, but I'd argue that the rise in popularity of muskies in general tracks pretty closely with the growth of the MN stocked fisheries...
- Researchers like Crossman and Casselman, Strand, Jerry Younk, Terry Marganeau (I probably butchered his last name - sorry Terry...)
- Lure makers like Frank Suick, Frenchy LeMay, George Wahl, Jake Satonica, and Mark Windels (that name, again...) and the contemporary inheritors of a great tradition of lure making like Brad from Muskie Innovations, and Carrie and Brad Hoppe.
Anyhow...some random thoughts on the subject.
Cheers,
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| The one thing that has had the absolute biggest impact on the sport is not necessarily who but a what and that is The Internet itself!!! I dont even need to get into details. |
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| Wow, I thought Saric might show up in someone's post. Interesting. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | He just did. |
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| I'd say Saric too, but not for "having had" impact like a lot of the deserving names mentioned and a lot not mentioned or even the recent crowing as a "legenday angler" like a lot of other guys have "had" as well. I give him the nod for HAVING an impact right this minute. With Musky Hunter being the last man standing as a magazine (and a good one), the TV show that often offers more to learn than to buy, and especially the Musky Hunter schools that are more amazing than most would imagine at giving new hunters the proper foundation and excitement for the sport. So, with absolutely zero disrespect for the guys who built the sport he now leads...I say he now leads it....and as they say in horse racing, leads it "going away!" |
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| Gotta mention John Underhill, who probably has had the most influence on me personally in the last five years or so with his posts and work in Minnesota.
Across the whole sport, can't name just one, my list is getting really long. |
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| Without Bob Strand in Bemidji, their would be know big v, mille lacs, or any leech lake strain fish stocked. Not even a question who had the biggest impact! Every time you release a stocked fish in MN, & now parts of WI, you should thank him. |
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| Al Gore. He invented the internet.
On a serious note, would we be able to access information about muskie fishing as quickly if the internet did not exist? Think of the pressure that some bodies of water receive. That certainly can't be the result strictly of word of mouth or print media. 15 years ago you could go to certain lakes and you might see three or four boats. Now those will be unpressured but all of a sudden a pic of a nice fish or two pops up on line and you've got a parking lot full of trailers.
The hidden gems, uncharted territories, new frontiers, and lake x's are discovered much quicker than they had been before...not all, but a good number of them. You also have those that are connected online fishing with people they never would've fished with before shortening the learning curve due to a diverse set of experiences that are being shared. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Curt Ebert, Roger Sabota and Denny Spencer for me ... i remember being invited into the back of the jewelry store to get some bait making/tuning tips from Curt, meeting Roger on the ice and getting some great Boom Flowage advice and then the best time of all celebrating a river pig at Spencer's Den before Denny sold it.
our sport has a great heritage with some fantastic old boys!!
edit ... Steve, i don't consider you "old" ... yet.
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Location: Yahara River Chain | No doubt Gil Hamm and Muskies, Inc.
For MN its got to be Frank Schneider Jr He was always at the Statehouse pushing regs for the betterment of MN muskies.
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| Saric and Musky Hunter Magazine for me... Kept us Canadian boys informed. |
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| Hey RK,
Wish you would post more. Always liked reading your stuff, by the way thanks for the tow back to Sandy's in 2002  |
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| Too funny. Reading some of these posts you would think the world revolves around Minnesota and nobody had ever heard of a muskie until Minnesotans figured out how to catch them. |
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Location: Smith Creek | I blame Windels and Pearson for making me think there was a fish behind every rock in LOTW and I blame Ramsell and Spray for making me think there is even a remote possibility that I could catch a 70 lber in Wisconsin. |
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Location: MN | Guest - 6/14/2012 10:27 AM
Too funny. Reading some of these posts you would think the world revolves around Minnesota and nobody had ever heard of a muskie until Minnesotans figured out how to catch them.
Hey b!tch, we just learned how to grow them BIG! Have fun with your mid 30 inchers!!! |
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Location: Apollo, PA | Read RK's post, then read it again, and again........BOOOYAH |
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Location: Minnetonka | Pikiespawn - 6/14/2012 10:57 AM
Read RK's post, then read it again, and again........BOOOYAH
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Hammskie - 6/14/2012 11:00 AM
Pikiespawn - 6/14/2012 10:57 AM
Read RK's post, then read it again, and again........BOOOYAH
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Location: Watertown, MN | What about Bob M and thunder on the water, the first muskie show to air consistantly on tv about muskie and big pike.
RK is right on, look alot at the Founder of MI and you cant go wrong with those names and collectively what they have done. |
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| jonnysled - 6/14/2012 11:21 AM
does Illinois qualify in that statement?
Maybe not in their home state because that fisherie is relatively new, but there are lots of them and they seem to be fishing EVERYWHERE....and dont forget the Lindners are originally from Illinois. |
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| jonnysled - 6/14/2012 11:21 AM
does Illinois qualify in that statement?
If it was not for IL, there would not be enough funding for muskies in the midwest period. They are the foundation of midwest muskies regarless of the state. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | tomyv - 6/13/2012 7:43 PM
Slamr. Possibly a negative impact, but an impact no less.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Guest - 6/14/2012 11:36 AM
If it was not for IL,
fish on!!! ... LOL |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | Guest - 6/14/2012 11:36 AM
jonnysled - 6/14/2012 11:21 AM
does Illinois qualify in that statement?
If it was not for IL, there would not be enough funding for muskies in the midwest period. They are the foundation of midwest muskies regarless of the state.
hmmmm....Yeah, not buying that one... |
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| Musky Brian - 6/14/2012 11:48 AM
If it was not for IL, there would not be enough funding for muskies in the midwest period. They are the foundation of midwest muskies regarless of the state.
hmmmm....Yeah, not buying that one...
I would. Ask any manufacture an they will tell you there is more spending per capita by Illinois guys than anywhere. I would have to believe that would translate to more spending on such things as M.I., clubs, etc |
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| This is a tough question.
The tavern owners in Wisconsin surely helped with all the crazy lies and fictious reports of ridiculous fish being caught. Even though it was all BS, it kept the interest alive and had people chasing records that never existed. The giant musky was a 46" on ice in a cooler infront of the bar up town.
Honestly though, it's got be about promoting the sport and getting people involved.
Tony Rizzo got a lot of the early movement really going and he had a lot of exposure in the media. He didn't lie about his fish.
Doug Johnson wrote a lot of early articles and put a ridiculous amount of miles and hours on LOTW, which is a classic musky lake that anyone can catch fish on.
And of course, Tony Grant. No has single handedly created more professional musky fishermen than he has. He put created a solid musky-haven in the south. One of the nicest guys in the industry. Funnier than hell. And a great fisherman.
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Location: 15 miles east of Lake Kinkaid | As a relative newcomer to the sport, the only person I would add to the list is Pete Maina (if someone else has not already). His relation with Bass Pro Shops, Musky Mania Tackle, and The Next Bite has made him a very recognizable figure. I have to add, he also perfected the large minnowbait when he made the 10" Jake. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | MuskyMATT7 - 6/14/2012 3:01 PM
As a relative newcomer to the sport, the only person I would add to the list is Pete Maina (if someone else has not already). His relation with Bass Pro Shops, Musky Mania Tackle, and The Next Bite has made him a very recognizable figure. I have to add, he also perfected the large minnowbait when he made the 10" Jake.
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| Musky Brian - 6/14/2012 11:48 AM
Guest - 6/14/2012 11:36 AM
jonnysled - 6/14/2012 11:21 AM
does Illinois qualify in that statement?
If it was not for IL, there would not be enough funding for muskies in the midwest period. They are the foundation of midwest muskies regarless of the state.
hmmmm....Yeah, not buying that one...
Brian, we've got 5 MI chapters within an hour of each other. Our chapter has membership of over 300, and is one of the top MI chapters nationwide. The amount of musky anglers down here is astounding, and there is a stupid amount of money that goes along with that. Head up to Northern WI some weekend and ask where everybody is from. Ask around your favorite Canadian Lodge, and see where everybody is from. Talk to the members of your local lake association, see where they are from... Take a look at attendance for the Chicago Musky Show, or the revenue from the individual MI fundraisers. Other than the Lindners, I'm not aware of many individuals who have had a major influence in the sport, but the money coming from Northern IL and going into all those fisheries in MN, WI, and Canada is amazing.
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Musky Brian - 6/14/2012 11:48 AM
If it was not for IL, there would not be enough funding for muskies in the midwest period. They are the foundation of midwest muskies regarless of the state.
hmmmm....Yeah, not buying that one...
I would. Ask any manufacture an they will tell you there is more spending per capita by Illinois guys than anywhere. I would have to believe that would translate to more spending on such things as M.I., clubs, etc
Good point about Illinois residents spending more. It makes sense that they would have more cash to spend. There isn't as big of a market for NFC North Division Champs stuff as there is for Super Bowl Champs stuff. Throw in the Cubs...no, wait, Cubs fans actually will spend money on a goat load of busted dreams and broken down hopes. |
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| ulbian - 6/14/2012 4:47 PM
Guest - 6/14/2012 1:08 PM
Musky Brian - 6/14/2012 11:48 AM
If it was not for IL, there would not be enough funding for muskies in the midwest period. They are the foundation of midwest muskies regarless of the state.
hmmmm....Yeah, not buying that one...
I would. Ask any manufacture an they will tell you there is more spending per capita by Illinois guys than anywhere. I would have to believe that would translate to more spending on such things as M.I., clubs, etc
Good point about Illinois residents spending more. It makes sense that they would have more cash to spend. There isn't as big of a market for NFC North Division Champs stuff as there is for Super Bowl Champs stuff. Throw in the Cubs...no, wait, Cubs fans actually will spend money on a goat load of busted dreams and broken down hopes.
Are 'ya kiddin'?? Cubs fans just like to go to the ball game and drink. I don't think there's ever been any expectations of victory. And the Bears? We even have a song that they play on the radio every year at the end of the season called "The Bears Still Suck"...
And since any money we spend here in IL either finds its way into corrupt politicians pockets, or those of the lawyers who either throw them in jail or try to keep them out? Might as well donate it to the fisheries in other states. At least we get some enjoyment out of that! |
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| The question was "impact on the sport"...does that mean fishing or the fishery? If its fishery, then of course props to all those MI folks. None of our fisheries would be what they are without the hard work of so many!! If "the sport" means fishing...thats a different thing. In my short time it was Al Linder, James Linder, Bob M, Saric, Heiting, Stange and, the noticeably absent, Larry Dahlberg(big impact on lure and equipment advances and killer TV) Those guys were more about education, location,seasonal movements ect. However, he recent boom in Musky fishing, IMHO, has a lot to do with the relative ease of catching them. Lets face it..."15 year quest for a legal" is a lot more difficult to sell than Jason Hamernick or Luke Ronnestrand's yearly numbers! Those guys had a huge impact on the guys coming up now! They, along with the guys making baits for them(Brad Ruh, Brad(Carrie) Hoppe), showed us just how far we could take this thing! 40 pounders on back to back casts was the stuff of fairy tales 10 years ago...Biggest impact going forward? Probably Jon Bondy! Vertical=the final frontier...maybe! Plenty of the legends are still innovating...Dahlberg with his mad scientist lure laboratory and sound(lateral line) theories...James Linder with patterning and location/movement...and on and on...Plus the guys putting these electronics/maps together...it's straight up cheating! It's a great time to be on the water and I can't wait to see what's next!
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| Another vote for the post by R K . I suspect there is a different perspective by the younger crowd that watched fishing shows on TV , in color, every week and the older guys that recall busted knuckles from the old style baitcasters, watching fishing films and slide shows at the high school gym for $ 2 presented by a traveling "personality" [ Gaddabout Gaddis anyone? ] , electric trollers with the motor on top , when a 33 HP outboard meant you had the biggest/baddest thing on the water. Don't want to type a book but I sure remember how excited I was to get a Phleuger Supreme and a Shakespere Wonderod . The water world changed with that first Lowrance Green Box. Hard to believe while watching a side scan people thought the flashers were too much technology. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Lindner's movies from way back in the day got me first interested in musky fishing. Maybe they didn't have the biggest impact on the musky scene but they get my vote for getting me into musky fishing. I can also remember one of Bob M's shows just barely that got me really excited as a very young kid. Actually I'm not 100% certain it was him but they were throwing jockpots on a shield lake so I put 2 and 2 together........ Anyway, had dreams about topwater muskies long before I ever even had a chance to fish them. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | sworrall - 6/14/2012 5:02 PM
Back on topic....
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Location: Elgin, IL | When returning home from the Army in the late '80's, I started fishing with my old man. After that all magazines you would see at m place were Fishing Facts and InFisherman. Linders and Petros were what I looked for. Now I get to hang with Spence once in a while and can one learn a lot.
But I certainly agree with all, there are many more individuals out there that have had a great connection and influence in this sport. But still to this day Ron, Al and Spence are my influences.
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Location: Bloomington, MN | Bill Hoeft, Wayne Gutsch, Andy Andel, Tony Rizzo, Russ Smith, Frank Suick, Clarence Bodenhagen, Home LeBlanc, Gale Radtke, Bob Ortiz, Dick Rose, Clayton Slack, Tony Portincaso, Dick Kaminski, Ted Capra, Al Novotny, Art Moraski, Ray Kennedy, Bill Tutt, Joe Erhardt, Bill Crane, and I will even toss in Layton T. "Shep" Shepard the Mepps Muppet. These folks and many more have helped the BIG names shine bright.
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| MuskyMATT7 - 6/14/2012 3:01 PM
As a relative newcomer to the sport, the only person I would add to the list is Pete Maina (if someone else has not already). His relation with Bass Pro Shops, Musky Mania Tackle, and The Next Bite has made him a very recognizable figure. I have to add, he also perfected the large minnowbait when he made the 10" Jake.
Ummm.....the Jake is named for Jake Satonica who created the Grandma lure which was a perfectly good minnowbait long before the Jake. Pete and Jake S. were working together at the time at Musky Mania came out with the Jake lure. Don't ask me to explain how they came to work together and why they arent now. |
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Location: Muskegon Michigan | In all of North America including Canada. Will Schultz. You will all know the reason when its announced but Michigan now has the best Musky fishing regulations in the world. Will's work on this has spanned a decade and the victory that will be announced soon will set the musky fishing world on its ear. A great victory has been achieved. Thank you Will. Mike |
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Location: 31 | Kingfisher - 6/15/2012 11:04 AM In all of North America including Canada. Will Schultz. You will all know the reason when its announced but Michigan now has the best Musky fishing regulations in the world. Will's work on this has spanned a decade and the victory that will be announced soon will set the musky fishing world on its ear. A great victory has been achieved. Thank you Will. Mike Although Will has done a ton of great things for Michigan muskies, I would still have to give the nod to Gil Hamm for starting MI.
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| IMO companies like Musky Tackle Online, Tackle Industries, BigWood, Tyrant Tackle, Storm Lures, etc. Companies and retailers that have made musky fishing afordable and still good tackle!
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Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI | Joe Bucher. Bucher launched Musky Hunter Magazine, and the rest is history.
The late Jake Burns also had quite an impact.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Actually, I believe Dan Laubenstein was responsible for the publication. Joe made it work. |
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Location: Pewaukee WI | MN DNR conducting genetic testing in the 1980's and switching from the Shoepac strain to the Leach Lake Strain. |
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| Musky_Slayer - 6/16/2012 11:45 PM
MN DNR conducting genetic testing in the 1980's and switching from the Shoepac strain to the Leach Lake Strain.
What state is leach lake in? |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Lots of great "who" contributors to the sport have been already listed. I don't think the internet is a who, rather an it or what. Two individuals whom have created lots of discussion in the muskie world in the off season, internet, etc. Please remember discussion is good, its healthy for both the muskies and muskie fisherman:
John Dettloff - An interesting guy. Please don't get bent out of shape, if it weren't for John most of the internet expert's out there wouldn't have anything to do in the off season.
Larry Ramsell - Larry has to be the man -> "Over the life of the sport". If you don't know where its been, how can you tell where its going? Larry adds a big dose of reality to the muskie fishing equation of how big can they get? He deserves a big thank you for keeping a pulse on what happened in the past, and what is happening today. If you don't think its true, read 'The Big Picture' in the June/July 2012 issue of Musky Hunter. I believe Larry reaffirms that the truly giant fish some of us have seen are entirely real, not just stretched perceptions of smaller fish. Hopefully, the old record will fall or a new modern day record bar will be set this year. Just, one more cast!
For me #1 is probably Dick Pearson. "Muskies on the Shield" significantly changed how I pursue these fish.
PS. Oh yeah, don't forget the leading edge biological researcher's. They may not have had a significant impact on the overall sport. In fact, the vast majority of muskie fisherman have never heard of them. But if you can understand the fundamental messages in their work, they will change how you think about fish and muskies.
Dr. John New
http://jeb.biologists.org/content/204/6/1207.full.pdf
Dr. Sheryl Coombs.
http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/nmb/page26751.html
If you haven't read their work, you're missing something.
Have fun!
Al
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Location: Ontario, Canada | "Biggest impact". Well, for me, and my answer is based for the most part on the fact that I was only 24-yrs, when the 1974 inaugural issue of In-Fisherman came out, and maybe discovered Fishing Facts magazine a couple of years earlier. There were no cell phones or computers then, and fishing info, (especially muskie info), was difficult to find. So for this inner city guy that had a deep thurst for learning about muskie fishing, and not many opportunities to wet a line for them, the mass media of newspaper fishing articles, books, magazines were my link.
Buck Perry's educational material about structure, Bill Binkelman's Fishing Facts with articals/muskie fishing education by folks like Spence Petros and if memory serves me well Ron Lindner. Also, Al and Ron Lindner's ongoing fishing education about "F+L+P=Success, and I can still hear Ron Lindner in a video talking about muskies "schooling" and calling it "a pride of muskies". Who ever heard of such things till then.
The In-Fisherman's VHS tape video "The Greatest Musky Film Ever Made" was an educationl ice breaker for me, and just amazing to watch. I'm sure it was the first muskie video to ever be released. Joe Bucher, and his "Bucktail Fishing For Muskies book became part of my life.
Yep, my world was expolding with new musky information/education because of all the aforementioned gentlemen. They opened up the great outdoors through the media, and moved my fishing boundries past sunfish and catfish on the city limits, they educated me, inspired me to possibilities and stoked the fires of my imagination.
These gentlemen for me are the pillars on which the foundation of modern fishing is built.
Al
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| Impact: not sure what Webster says, but human behavior, traditions, political correctness as well as a mindset of covetousness all add in here with the sport of musky fishing. "Seeds" I guess; planted into the mindsets of anlgers that basically effect their overall pursuits/intents out on the water. I think of the movie "Silence of the Lambs" when Hannibal Lector asks the young FBI agent something along the lines of "how is it that we seek out the the things that we covet?"
Answer being; first we must see to believe! That said, major impacts would include (and we're talking big picture, not local hardcore's outside of the public eye that are'nt seeking self glory) the early Hayward, Wi muskies of Louis Spray and Cal Johnson. As well, the Lawton's and the Hartman's from out east. They planted the original seed's of the trophy hunter do one better mindset. From that era, then basically a lull, up to like late seventies, early eighties; Al Linder, Ted Capra, Spence Petros, and Babe Winkleman. In-Fisherman's print/video early 80's (interject Windels, Dick Pearson, Doug Johnson, Dahlberg, Stange, Jim Linder and Pursch) Certianly Bucher, Rizzo, Ray Kennedy, Ellis, a few speared and netted specimens as well that made the attention of the public. Mehsikomer without a doubt, Mania, Larry Ramsell, Herbeck, Craig Dawson, Taylor Roy, Steve Fuller, Ted Roos, Al Moss. Fast forward to more recent years and you've got impact icons and idols such as Mike Lazurus, Rich Clark, Linda Rice, Saric, Bill Sandy, Luke Ronnestrand, Gregg Thomas, Scott Keiper, Jason Hammernick..........................the thing is, big fish, trophy fish are what makes the waves, impacts others and plants the seeds in the long run. Personal influences would include Tom Hanson, Bob Otteson, Len Carlstorm and Tim Gryzbowski.
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| Easily forgot many here.................but one more major player being and would include is definetly Tom Gelb. As well, when speaking of impact's........................the beautiful and artistic idol's that Fittante and Lax taxidermy put out play major as well on impacts on other anglers! |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | As I read through all these excellent comments about who had the biggest impact on the sport, I can't help thinking that we the anglers (in this case muskie anglers), as a whole have maybe had the biggest impact-or at least played a major role.
We picked up the info, that was and is disseminated, and learned how to apply it in our own fishing experiences. We put our personal touch to the information to make ourselves better anglers/sportsmen and spotswomen. We joined clubs like Muskies Inc and Muskies Canada so as we could learn, become involved and have a greater voice as a whole rather than an individual. We each took the concept of catch and release and made it work.
We write our politicians when we feel the environment/fishery needs our voices as a whole, and some of our muskie fishing friends/leaders/innovators even got/get involved in the political process, and they have done this as volunteers.
We can all add more reasons to why we as a whole have had a positive impact. Yes we have had leaders/innovators, but leaders/innovators need followers, and we the followers as a whole have had a great positive impact on modern day fishing/muskie fishing. Just look at all the successful projects that have been done, increased size limit changes, better laws in some cases. We took what all the others mentioned offered us, we ran with it, and at times we anglers as a whole have hit some home runs, and will continue to do so.
Al
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| Hey, Hey.... Hey John Gillespie! He's the fishing man, fishing anytime he can......YEAH! |
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Location: 31 | ESOX Maniac - 6/17/2012 9:01 AM John Dettloff - An interesting guy. Please don't get bent out of shape, if it weren't for John most of the internet expert's out there wouldn't have anything to do in the off season. I guess I didn't consider the title of this thread in that light... that's kind of an interesting thought because I just interpreted it to mean someone having a positive impact on the sport.
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| Hermit -
My hat is off to you for mentioning Tommy Hanson and Bob O.
I only know Bob through our mutual late friend Jack Burns, but I have enormous respect for the man. Content to be just a guy fishing muskies, and he'd probably cringe at his name being in public conversation, but he really was an innovator on trout water. I know Jack respected him a great deal, and that didn't get handed out lightly. Last time I saw him was at a muskie expo a few years back, and we talked about fishing sunfish and deer hunting for 45 minutes. There may not be a kinder soul on two legs.
Tom Hanson - my Lord, if the world only knew... It's not my story to tell, but the whole thread connecting Fuller, Pearson, and Jack Burns that leads through Tom Hanson to Lac Suel is mind-boggling.
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| If not for Gil Hamm, Hugh Becker, Doc Chan, Frank Schneider jr. and the others like Jack Burns that proposed and pressured anglers into letting fish go there would be no need for the rest of those names of celebrity's or makers. Sure they didn't sell many baits but millions have been sold and made from their efforts not to mention a bunch of shows and countless DVD's; if you make a buck off Muskies or if you just love catching a good one and letting her go; you may want to thank those men and women who put a fish first..
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| So many who have touched this sport. Reading all these has been great and all have had an impact to somone or all of us. For me--BUCHER has been the biggest impact for myself. |
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Location: Kansas City BBQ Capitol of the world | For the sport, many who have been recognized. Personally, my Dad and I carry the torch. |
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Location: WESTERN WI | Okay, 3 parts to my answer:,
Who got me into the sport growing up (high school), Bucher/ Spence Petris, I remember tuning in every saturday morning to watch his show and my first fishing magazine subscription was fishing facts and I still have every one of Spences articles from Fishing facts over a ten year period.
Once I got into muskies all the time, Pete Maina, he was a young gun then tea, Lring up skis in northern WI, also Dick Pearson, reading about how he had his wife feed him sandwiches so he couldnt stop casting and sleeping in the boat and waking every few hours to cast a Trophy spot inspired me to fish a lil harder every time I was out and his knowledge is unparrelled.
Nowadays, Larry Dahlberg seems to open up the box of new concepts every year and push the envelope for other species tactics prevaiing for muskies. As far as bait manufacturers gleaming the cube, Brad & Carrie Hoppe and Bulldawgs(Ruh) have really changed the way I fish when targeting trophy fish. |
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| This site, under Steve's guidance, has had by far the most impact for me over the past 10 or so years. I learned soooooo much.
Must give a nod to Rollie from Rollie and Helen's, too. I still have a hard copy of his instructions (from the R&H chat site, remember that?) on how he tunes and uses a Suick.
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Location: Duluth, MN | While all the names listed have had a huge impact the one that has impacted muskie fishing the most imo has to be Louie Spray. |
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| My dad and the greats who have passed through the shop, my uncle, the musky. |
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| Lundbob - 6/29/2012 11:34 AM
While all the names listed have had a huge impact the one that has impacted muskie fishing the most imo has to be Louie Spray.
GMTA! Either that or it's a latent Lund effect. |
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| Tony Rizzo, Al Linder, Doug Stange, Joe Bucher.
Tony Rizzo's old article in Fishing Facts magazine and his books taught muskie fisherman in the 1970's and 1980's about seasonal patterns for muskies; fishing for suspended fish,, weighting jerkbaits, and night fishing. He was also one of the first to release most of the muskies that he caught.
Al Lindner & Doug Stange and In-Fisherman magazine brought a scientific approach to muskie fishing and exposure to a wider audience. In the pre-internet world muskie nuts were starving for more information, and Joe Bucher's Muskie Hunter magazine put a lot of information.
There have been many exceptional muskie fishermen, but these guys developed new approaches and got the information out to the world. |
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| some one who fishes with with a light drag and that doesnt have it locked up |
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Location: FIB land | Muskyhunter magazine helped put all those images of "the big one" in my brain...
Thanks to Joe, Jim and Steve - best thing to come out of my mailbox... |
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| Very subjective question with many variables depending where you grew up, many of the fisherman named so far are rightfully recieving recongintion/respect and likely became the fisherman they are today due to the lessons and legends of the past. Today many fisherman have the advantage of aggressive fish management strategies and technological advances with electronics and equipment which our pioneers could only dream about. Many fisherman today are reflective of the pace of our society and measure musky success by the size of boat we drive, equipment we own and the numbers we catch, all to often failing to slow down and enjoy the gift of God has given us which is the great northwoods and the good people who enjoy the sport for the experience. Unfortunately today we criticize anglers who hold a fish out of the water to long, keep a fish and enjoy it on the grill and judge others for values and tradition they may never understand or experienced.
Next week we will set camp on a island and motor to the Little Red Bar, hopefully ring the bell, and immiediately be surrounded by the history left by legends and still being created by the generations who will carry on the sport. The atmosphere which can not be replicated at a show or on the internet provides the fisherman a perspective of where the sport once was and how big it has become. Growing up a young lad I was surrounded by several "old salts" who frequented the bars on the Flowage and Pelican Lake and absored lessons I will hold dear forever, not just lessons for fishing but life in general, for me my biggest influences for musky fishing include my Grandfather and Pelican Lake Pal Ortiz and my father who took me along. They introduced me, in story some in person and spirit to the following.
Louie Spray- "if your casting a bait all day long and you dont get nothin you may get sour at everybody and the world and yourself. So change baits often and it will stir up your enthusiasm and keep you from going to shore and making coffee" and "what makes a champion musky fisherman? Well, its like Joe Louus used to say, its mostly luck and of course what makes anybody catch alot of any kind of fish is being out there fishing".
Frenchy LaMay -"musky fishing is probably as different as any kind of fishing that you could get into. Its hard work and you never stop learning. You can go long periods of time without action-even if youve been at it for quite a while-and there can be many days of frustration. I had a bad start, but once one throws a pail of water in your face, it gets to you, It really does.
John Dettloff- controversial, loved and hated, for those who have not met John reserve judgement, a man who intriques me with his passion, knowledge and quirkiness. "its better to know alot about a few spots, than it is to know a little about alot of spots"
Tony Rizzo- "when fishing always look for exceptions to the rules, with muskies there are always exceptions to the rules and thats why at anytime it can happen" "success comes from learning something everytime you are on the water"
Suick Family
In summary it really boils down to are our personal experiences which influenced us and that influence spreads to others around them. I remember my grandfather talking great about Lou Gehrig, when I was a boy it was Ken Griffey Jr. and today my boys talk about Ryan Braun. Legends will change as do the generations I just hope understand the history and take time to pay tribute to our forefathers. |
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| happy hooker - 6/14/2012 1:16 PM
good reading
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| Ifishskis - 7/20/2012 10:01 AM
happy hooker - 6/14/2012 1:16 PM
good reading
X2!
For me, back in the early/mid 80's it was Fishing Facts magazine (Petros and ??) and the Linder/In Fisherman shows that grew my love for the pursuit of the musky.
The Little Red Bar at Detloff's place just REEKS of history....LOVE the place! IMO - a visit there should be on one's bucket list. |
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| No Brainer!!!! All of us who practice catch and release!!!! |
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Location: Illinois | muskie24/7 - 7/20/2012 6:47 PM No Brainer!!!! All of us who practice catch and release!!!! :) 
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| river runt - 7/19/2012 8:11 PM
Very subjective question with many variables depending where you grew up, many of the fisherman named so far are rightfully recieving recongintion/respect and likely became the fisherman they are today due to the lessons and legends of the past. Today many fisherman have the advantage of aggressive fish management strategies and technological advances with electronics and equipment which our pioneers could only dream about. Many fisherman today are reflective of the pace of our society and measure musky success by the size of boat we drive, equipment we own and the numbers we catch, all to often failing to slow down and enjoy the gift of God has given us which is the great northwoods and the good people who enjoy the sport for the experience. Unfortunately today we criticize anglers who hold a fish out of the water to long, keep a fish and enjoy it on the grill and judge others for values and tradition they may never understand or experienced.
Next week we will set camp on a island and motor to the Little Red Bar, hopefully ring the bell, and immiediately be surrounded by the history left by legends and still being created by the generations who will carry on the sport. The atmosphere which can not be replicated at a show or on the internet provides the fisherman a perspective of where the sport once was and how big it has become. Growing up a young lad I was surrounded by several "old salts" who frequented the bars on the Flowage and Pelican Lake and absored lessons I will hold dear forever, not just lessons for fishing but life in general, for me my biggest influences for musky fishing include my Grandfather and Pelican Lake Pal Ortiz and my father who took me along. They introduced me, in story some in person and spirit to the following.
Louie Spray- "if your casting a bait all day long and you dont get nothin you may get sour at everybody and the world and yourself. So change baits often and it will stir up your enthusiasm and keep you from going to shore and making coffee" and "what makes a champion musky fisherman? Well, its like Joe Louus used to say, its mostly luck and of course what makes anybody catch alot of any kind of fish is being out there fishing".
Frenchy LaMay -"musky fishing is probably as different as any kind of fishing that you could get into. Its hard work and you never stop learning. You can go long periods of time without action-even if youve been at it for quite a while-and there can be many days of frustration. I had a bad start, but once one throws a pail of water in your face, it gets to you, It really does.
John Dettloff- controversial, loved and hated, for those who have not met John reserve judgement, a man who intriques me with his passion, knowledge and quirkiness. "its better to know alot about a few spots, than it is to know a little about alot of spots"
Tony Rizzo- "when fishing always look for exceptions to the rules, with muskies there are always exceptions to the rules and thats why at anytime it can happen" "success comes from learning something everytime you are on the water"
Suick Family
In summary it really boils down to are our personal experiences which influenced us and that influence spreads to others around them. I remember my grandfather talking great about Lou Gehrig, when I was a boy it was Ken Griffey Jr. and today my boys talk about Ryan Braun. Legends will change as do the generations I just hope understand the history and take time to pay tribute to our forefathers.
It is a nice write up, but when people lie for their own gain, it tarnishes the ability to enjoy their bar. It makes it hard to embrace the tradition we grew up motivated by. As a kid who grew up enamored by the Chip, I am pretty put off by the whole community. It is sad how it turned out. BR |
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