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Location: wild rose, wi | Is it just me, or do other musky fishermen consider using live bait like suckers and chubs as kind of cheating????? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It's just you. |
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Location: Sycamore, IL | Maybe some do and maybe some don't...it's kinda like the casting vs. trolling debate, everyone has there own preferred method(s) of fishing. For me using live bait is just another tool in the box to get a fish in the boat.
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Location: Oshkosh | ^^^^^ Very well said Matt, and just you.
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| Trolling and live bait are both cheating, and should be legally prohibitted. Hopefully we can get laws passed in the future to ban both methods for muskies. |
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| It's a personal prefference....casting......trolling.....suckers #*#*, some even spear them! |
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Location: N.FIB | is using minnows/worms to catch fish cheating,live bait makes it easier to catch fish,some lakes alot easier and some not much |
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Location: NE Wisconsin | As a retired guide once told me, sucker fishing is the only way most fishermen can catch a large muskie. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | FSF is fishing muskies now. He's just....contrary some days. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | If sucker fishing were as simple as putting one on a hook and the muskies rush to them, I might agree. Yes, even the worst fisherman can catch a muskie on a sucker at times, even if they're doing absolutely everything wrong...but then again, we've all seen the video of a monster trying to crush a casted chicken breast. BUT, to sucker fish RIGHT and really work it to it's greatest advantage, thats an art. |
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Location: S.W. WI | I fish to CATCH fish. Sometimes a sucker will help me have a fun day. I personally enjoy catching muskies. Kinda why I go.
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| I guess I dont see the skill in two line live bait fishing,,,has in dragging a sucker behind the boat,,,if your going down a reef or weedline and your 12-15 ft away in the front of the boat slinging a bucktail/topwater/lure and the clicker goes off and you run back and set the hook what skill did you use to trigger that fish, to me it seems like the musky world equiv of "buy one get one free" I realize that it takes skill to play and land the fish but was there any skill in triggering it?? and it isnt the same has trolling where your watching the graph . I can see the skill in fishing two suckers where your devoting your total attention to it but dragging a sucker dosent seem to have alot of skill but more of a bonus app.
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Put simply, fishing with live bait is a sucker on one end of the line, attached to a sucker on the other end.
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| hooker, first off, it takes a good deal of skill to rig a sucker in a way that'll consistently yield high hookup percentages and keep the sucker swimming well.
second, there is no mindless dragging of suckers. even one sucker needs a fair amount attention, especially when you're running a foil edge in the metro lakes, and you know this, man!
location, location, location - don't you still have to put a well-rigged sucker in front of an active fish to get bit? does it not take skill to find such locations?
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | And just another thought: if using livebait to catch muskies is cheating...I would think the use of sonar, a gps, hundreds of dollars in rods/reels and ur boat to come to think about it....
Go out in your canoe with a spear or a carved bone hook with hand spun twine and you can then tell me using a sucker is cheating. |
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Location: Neenah, WI | Well Said Slamr
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| Slamr - 4/23/2012 10:37 AM
And just another thought: if using livebait to catch muskies is cheating...I would think the use of sonar, a gps, hundreds of dollars in rods/reels and ur boat to come to think about it....
Go out in your canoe with a spear or a carved bone hook with hand spun twine and you can then tell me using a sucker is cheating.
He said as he lit the fuse to the dynamite and threw it in the water...unfortunately there is a continuom of ways to catch them, and folks often want their particular favorite to be legal and NOT morally despicable, however, scientifically it makes no difference how the fish are harvested or damaged and die. So...it then comes down to what exactly are YOUR standards? People keep wanting to add advantages to their side of the game, but, you can add advantages all the way to spearing spawning fish, or netting them on their spring run, or even dynamiting them, so it is really just a case of where you draw the line. Should everything be about making it easier to catch your target fish? Really?? |
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| It is all about making it easier, stocking more fish and using ocean equipment. We are looking for the fish of 10 casts. H |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Homer - 4/23/2012 11:31 AM
It is all about making it easier, stocking more fish and using ocean equipment. We are looking for the fish of 10 casts. H
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Location: north central wisconsin | jonnysled - 4/23/2012 11:36 AM
Homer - 4/23/2012 11:31 AM
It is all about making it easier, stocking more fish and using ocean equipment. We are looking for the fish of 10 casts. H
as long as it's 50" plus with a 26" girth
Can't use a globe to find it though.. |
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| The guys I've talked to who are against sucker fishing are guys who have no clue how to effectively fish a sucker.
Much like I think that trolling is a "weak" way of catching a muskiy. I can't troll for crap, so I might as well rip on the technique.... And I'm kidding, I don't think that trolling is weak, but I can admit to being quite bad at it. |
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| If sucker fishing is cheating, so is casting a lure that looks like a fish and trying to make that lure behave like a fish, and so is trolling. I don't know about the rest of you, but I sure do not strive to go out there and make it MORE difficult to catch fish. If you want that? Toss your electronics, your polarized glasses, all your lures and tackle, and just use one rod, and one lure. And make it a lure that is difficult to cast, and a lot of work to retrieve. Then, at the end of the day, when you've caught nothing, you can say "Well, at least I wasn't cheating!" |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I don't fish suckers much. In fact, I never have when I am fishing alone. Slamr is pretty good at it, and we lose a fair number anyway. TJ is good at it too, but I have yet to get one on a sucker with him. Lost a big one though.
I fish tip-ups and minnows for crappies too. FSF, you need to move west or south, buy the correct extremely expensive vest and clothing including the proper hat, and become a stream fly rod trout fly tying $1500 wader wearing card carrying snob so I can show up and outfish you using canned corn or Gulp salmon eggs. 
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Location: wild rose, wi | Wow, I knew that I'd touch a few nerves when I posted this thread, but I didn't think it would bring about this many semi-hostile responses. My opionions are mainly for what I enjoy as far as fishing goes. I don't condem anyone for using styles or techniques that I personally don't use, So long as it's legal... My largest musky was caught over 40 yrs. ago on a sucker. My appologies if I offended anyone.. Season is just about on us, so lets all have a great year and have fun fishing, however we enjoy it most... |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | bronk - 4/23/2012 12:35 PM
semi-hostile responses...
hang around this place long enough and you'll be able read the message behind the message ...
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Location: Smith Creek | There is a point system for muskies caught, catching a muskie muskie on a sucker counts as .8 of one fish, unless you were trolling the sucker with a guide, in which case you take .8 x .5 (trolling) x .25 (guide) and you end up with .1. Now factor in the fish's origin, stocked or natural, multiply the .1 with .75 for stocked and 1 for natural, multiply by state (.75 for MN and Ontario, .6 for IL, etc.) and finally multiply that by the length of the fish to find out what you "officially" caught.
You may choose not to use this formula but don't come crying when the Muskie Police show up at your door with a warrant.
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| jonnysled - 4/23/2012 12:58 PM
bronk - 4/23/2012 12:35 PM
semi-hostile responses...
hang around this place long enough and you'll be able read the message behind the message ...
Don't tell him this after only 7 posts, whatcha gonna do next, teach em the secret handshake?? Tard! |
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| Wow, when I got after Vince for intruding my area after catching a fish and another time for bashing the WLMC for every move we made, both times I was erased from the thread. What is the difference here? |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | R Swain - 4/23/2012 3:27 PM
Wow, when I got after Vince for intruding my area after catching a fish and another time for bashing the WLMC for every move we made, both times I was erased from the thread. What is the difference here?
Who is bashing who? Read this one twice, and generally I'm more than happy to zap a post (even my own, and Steve Worralls or whoevers), but missing the hostility.
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| R Swain - 4/23/2012 3:27 PM
Wow, when I got after Vince for intruding my area after catching a fish and another time for bashing the WLMC for every move we made, both times I was erased from the thread. What is the difference here?
Don't need the quoted type posts here on this thread. Slamr?
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Location: oswego, il | I use suckers, my standards are low. I want every advantage possible on tbe water. We spend all this money to chase these fish, why not take advantage? I know there are times when i know all i am casting for is to get a fish near my suckers. |
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Location: Warroad, Mn | Ha! Hate to blow FSF's seemingly holler-than-thou Internet masquerade. I happen to know that he actually trolls, and even catches a fish doing that at times. What he's really into is stirring up controversy like several others on the site. It's a good way to get folks involved. Sometimes with good results, sometimes not. Don't believe everything you read on the Web! Doug Johnson
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| dougj - 4/23/2012 5:10 PM
Ha! Hate to blow FSF's seemingly holler-than-thou Internet masquerade. I happen to know that he actually trolls, and even catches a fish doing that at times. What he's really into is stirring up controversy like several others on the site. It's a good way to get folks involved. Sometimes with good results, sometimes not. Don't believe everything you read on the Web! Doug Johnson
Yes, but unlike some Canadian guides that are wedded to the technique for about a month a year, I just do it to prove, ANY IDIOT CAN CATCH MUSKIES EASILY BY TROLLING. I also have to be able to tell those that claim I haven't done it, or don't know how to do it, that I have, and I do, and my success PROVES any idiot can troll up a muskie. In fact, I have caught more muskies trolling, in less time, than tribal netting has taken in both TN AND KY.
I even have a quote from a well known guide claiming that fish taken trolling should only count 1/3 as much as a fish caught casting. Obviously, THAT GUIDE feels it is 3X as easy to catch muskies trolling.
Hey, I don't invent this stuff, and I KNOW what I am talking about... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | FSF,
What about those waders, huh?
What's the WLMC?
Who's Vince?
I am so consufed. |
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Location: Warroad, Mn | Well: I can't believe that you actually posted this. "ANY IDIOT CAN CATCH MUSKIES EASILY BY TROLLING" Then you say that you troll. Sounds like you are saying that you're an Idiot! I sort of doubt that, you always seemed like a pretty smart fellow to me. The well known guide who says it's three time easier to catch fish trolling is only talking about the physical effort, not the amount of skill it takes to catch the fish. Trolling is hard work mentally, but not physically. Sturgeon are biting! Lakers next week. Doug Johnson |
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Location: South East Wisconsin | I don’t fish muskies often but when I do its suckers! Sorry I couldn’t resist! LOL… |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'Trolling is hard work mentally, but not physically.'
I wonder if this has anything to do with the voting down trolling up here all the time in the CC Hearings.
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if your fishing a sucker on a weed edge in the metro then you ARE concentrating on it because theres only one line allowed "your only fishing one line right" Im talking where two line are legal and dragging one off the back while your attention is up front looking at your lure your casting and working,,,hooking a muskie just on the drag or when you hear the clicker or b-2 'BINGO"!!! to me dosent seem llike alot of skill kinda like out west where their allowed to hunt turkeys with rifles dosent take alot of calling skill to nail a turkey from half a canyon away
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Location: oswego, il | Well, one thing about suckers, handling them can get the boat carpet wet while rigging. That late fall cold water can get FSF bare feet mighty cold.
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Location: syracuse indiana | sworrall - 4/23/2012 6:36 PM
FSF,
What about those waders, huh?
What's the WLMC?
Webster Lake Musky Club
Who's Vince?
Weirick
I am so consufed.
steve i am confused too. maybee rick posted something and it got deleated. its happend to the best of us. |
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Location: WI | sworrall - 4/23/2012 11:57 AM
I don't fish suckers much. In fact, I never have when I am fishing alone. Slamr is pretty good at it, and we lose a fair number anyway. TJ is good at it too, but I have yet to get one on a sucker with him. Lost a big one though.
I fish tip-ups and minnows for crappies too. FSF, you need to move west or south, buy the correct extremely expensive vest and clothing including the proper hat, and become a stream fly rod trout fly tying $1500 wader wearing card carrying snob so I can show up and outfish you using canned corn or Gulp salmon eggs.
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Location: WI | happy hooker - 4/23/2012 10:06 AM
---------- I realize that it takes skill to play and land the fish but was there any skill in triggering it??.
Boat control is a skill. I am a terrible sucker fisherman. I can catch fish trolling, but prefer casting. I'm really starting to get into trolling after this past fall.
It's all a tool, my goal is fish in the boat and I will use any legal method to accomplish that (except one hook kill rigs for suckers).
When someone downplays anothers accomplishment by saying something like "nice fish, but he got it on a sucker/trolling.."... reeks of jealousy and poor sportsmanship.
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Location: Ontario | Say No to Live Bait !! Whats the big deal against trolling for muskie ?? If you want to take someone out who's new to the species,there is no better way.Having them throw 2lb bucktails into the wind all day aint gonna make them excited. On Lake St Clair which is a muskie heaven,the guides down rig for them.Never been but lots of friends have.They loved it. |
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| In my book it's two different types of fishing. No big deal, But.....
Catching a fish on a sucker rig and catching a fish on the 8 are two totally different accomplishments in my book. Many guys will mess up a fish on the 8.
-Guy casting all day and tagging one on the 8 is a much better fisherman in my book.
-Guy sitting in the boat dragging meat all day, running the I-pilot watching the graph. You won't get an "atta guy" from me.
Here in MN, I'm glad we don't have the 2 line rule just for this reason. I'll out work the guys dragging suckers around all day. And i'll have more fun doing it too. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'Many guys will mess up a fish on the 8.'
I'd argue that isn't necessarily so, unless one is a rookie.
I'm pretty sure no one is asking for an 'atta guy'. As far as the 'outwork' thing, unless it's way below freezing out, most folks over here are casting all day and have a sucker out as well. Where there is one line allowed like MN, it becomes a choice, and I'd go for casting...unless it's way below freezing out, in which case I'd be getting the Frabill shelter ready. So if I am casting all day and get two on gliders and two on quick strike rigs, I really don't care how anyone classifies that. I had a great day. |
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| sworrall - 4/23/2012 11:57 AM
I don't fish suckers much. In fact, I never have when I am fishing alone. Slamr is pretty good at it, and we lose a fair number anyway. TJ is good at it too, but I have yet to get one on a sucker with him. Lost a big one though.
I fish tip-ups and minnows for crappies too. FSF, you need to move west or south, buy the correct extremely expensive vest and clothing including the proper hat, and become a stream fly rod trout fly tying $1500 wader wearing card carrying snob so I can show up and outfish you using canned corn or Gulp salmon eggs.
Steve spend a good amount of time fly fishing here in CO and have not ran into a single fly fisherman that could rival a muskie fisherman in blind passion and fanaticism. I have seen some nice dressed ones:-) I will however take you up on the corn vs the fly if you make it out west. Managed to win a similar bet with a buddy who was using worms. BenR |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Ben, that would be fun. Sue and I fish the White River occasionally, using spinning rods, and get some sideways looks and comments from the dry fly crowd, but that's OK. Some days we hand it to 'em, some it's the other way around. We do better on Bull Shoals, where the rainbows eat little minnows like candy. |
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| Seems that those from MN have a stronger opinion against live bait and trolling.
I think it's line-envy.
We get to use 3 lines here in WI. Heck, there's days I've had two suckers out, and casted with my 3rd line. But I don't drag suckers. They are always straight down from the rod tip, and I'm position fishing them over structure. |
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Tell you what, for all of you that think sucker fishing is so "easy", let's see you rig one up, set it out and set the hook on one. If you don't "know" what you are doing you're probably gonna fail, even though it's that easy.
There is a big difference in guys who hook and land lots of fish on suckers and those that don't, just like casting.
Some of us are good at it, some are just going through the motions no matter what technique you are using.
But if people want to beat their chests 'cause they don't fish suckers, more power to ya.
Personally I'd rather be good at all the techniques out there than just a couple.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Guest - 4/24/2012 8:41 AM
Tell you what, for all of you that think sucker fishing is so "easy", let's see you rig one up, set it out and set the hook on one. If you don't "know" what you are doing you're probably gonna fail, even though it's that easy.
There is a big difference in guys who hook and land lots of fish on suckers and those that don't, just like casting.
Some of us are good at it, some are just going through the motions no matter what technique you are using.
But if people want to beat their chests 'cause they don't fish suckers, more power to ya.
Personally I'd rather be good at all the techniques out there than just a couple.
JS
and here all the while i thought you knew the secret handshake ... |
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Steve spend a good amount of time fly fishing here in CO and have not ran into a single fly fisherman that could rival a muskie fisherman in blind passion and fanaticism. I have seen some nice dressed ones:-) I will however take you up on the corn vs the fly if you make it out west. Managed to win a similar bet with a buddy who was using worms. BenR
Then you haven't met many serious fly fisherman. Look at the traffic on some of those fly websites, and the scorn for people who use beads. BEADS!!!!
BSG, no one has more fun than I do when I'm fishing suckers. No one. |
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| Flambeauski - 4/24/2012 9:02 AM
Steve spend a good amount of time fly fishing here in CO and have not ran into a single fly fisherman that could rival a muskie fisherman in blind passion and fanaticism. I have seen some nice dressed ones:-) I will however take you up on the corn vs the fly if you make it out west. Managed to win a similar bet with a buddy who was using worms. BenR
Then you haven't met many serious fly fisherman. Look at the traffic on some of those fly websites, and the scorn for people who use beads. BEADS!!!!
BSG, no one has more fun than I do when I'm fishing suckers. No one.
I don't spend much time on fly fishing websites, I feel my obligation to help Muskie First is more important so my web time is used to help out here. BR |
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| in fly fishing streamer flies arent fly fishing!!! their lures not flies,,,streamers mimic suckers |
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| I'm in WI. I've been outworked by plenty of casters in the fall. Man, I get exhausted (and cold) just watching them cast, reel, de-ice their guides, warm their hands, then cast again. And catch no fish or few fish.
Me? I'll run my suckers in a nice staggered pattern, drink my coffee and catch multiple fish in a trip. I'm lazy. Those casters really outwork me though! |
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Location: Smith Creek | My fingers get cold when I rerig after catching one, makes it hard to open my beer. And when I finally get it open it tastes faintly of sucker. |
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Location: Menomonee Falls, WI | Vegas492-
They sure do! I hate releasing muskies in the cold. They rarely have to deal with that interruption to a perfectly good day.
DITTO! LMAO! THAT'S FUNNY GEOFF!!! |
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| OMG, I forgot about the re-rig in the cold and the effect it has on coffee/beer...etc.
It got so bad this year that my coffee actually tasted funny if there wasn't a little sucker odor/slime in it. Wife thought I was crazy when I made coffee at home by using a little baitwell water.
In your case Abe, it is much worse than in my case. You were constantly harassed by big musky bullies last year. I heard that one of them had your cousin cornered in the boat with a gaff until you took the hooks out and promised to leave the lake.
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| firstsixfeet - 4/22/2012 8:10 PM
Trolling and live bait are both cheating, and should be legally prohibitted. Hopefully we can get laws passed in the future to ban both methods for muskies.
Get a good job and you too can afford to troll. Beats sitting like a stump!
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Location: Blaine, MN | Some of the best trollers I've seen are on this site... They get bites all winter long. The target species never seems to get conditioned to the lures either
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Location: Brookfield, WI | This thread is kind of sad. Sad because my rating system for muskies caught using different techniques has been mentioned a number of times, and no credit given.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | MuskyHopeful - 4/24/2012 8:08 PM
This thread is kind of sad. Sad because my rating system for muskies caught using different techniques has been mentioned a number of times, and no credit given.
Kevin
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Hopeful if it's any consolation, you are so famously known for musky rating system, the guys in my neighborhood call it the Kev equation. It should have been noted, but is kind of universally assumed your brilliant mind spawned that rating system. |
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Location: Smith Creek | I apologize, Kevin. I edited the post for grammar and couldn't edit a second time. I also assumed everyone knew about the Kevin equation. You should have trademarked it.
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Location: Manitowish Waters WI | Is ther actually a rating system for catching muskies? Wow I could swear a fish in the net is a fish in the net. Maybe it is only .7658242 of a fish.
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One day, ZERO fish from 6am til finally boated a 46" except for a "follow" at midday by a high 40's... except for two Northerns the day before and a failed hookset...
Week before, 2 in the net... couple failed hookset...
Week before, 3 in the net... 3 failed hook set...
In honesty... As long you are doing everything to reduce the chance of mortality... including quick-strike rigs, theres nothing wrong with using live bait... Its also nice because all summer thru, you're abusing your body and equipment with all those cowgirls and bulldawgs that you throw, then the fall comes and you can just sit and relax, enjoy the day and the nature, at least til hell breaks through when the bobber goes down... I think that Im anticipating the fall-time fishing more than the June 2nd opener... but I believe its because that I know how bad I will be hurting (shoulder, back, and elbow) at the end of the summer... Doing livebait fishing is very addictive... |
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Location: WI | Rebel9921, I feel the same way about trolling. After casting DCG's, twitching gliders, rubber, etc all season, it's a nice break to sit down and troll. It's a great way to wind down my season. I used to hate trolling but it's a lot of fun to fish areas I don't like to cast and cover a lot of water. It's also fun to run multiple lines and find a hot lure/pattern. Sometimes we're running 4 lines and only one lure gets chomped repeatedly. |
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Location: Muskegon Michigan | ITS ALL GOOD !!! Fishing Muskies is fun and Michelle and I use all the methods. We cast till we are sore then we troll till we are bored. I enjoy soaking a few suckers as well. What is really a riot is bringing a musky in with an artificial lure and watching them chomp the sucker at boat side. How can this not be exciting? All three ways are productive and exciting. To diminish any one of the methods of hook and line fishing is to take a part of it away. I think we can all agree that Spearing is the only bad method here in the musky world. Mike
Edited by Kingfisher 4/26/2012 8:09 AM
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| If you catch a fish trolling or on a sucker maybe the picture should have an asterisk on it like the Barry Bonds home run record ball ;).
I am a rookie and planning on making my first dedicated musky trip with my buddy next weekend for the sourthern opener. We will both be casting and will have a sucker rig dragging too. I will make sure to bring a cardboard asterisk to hold up if I catch one on the sucker and post it. |
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Location: Minnesota | JKahler... exactly... I dont mind doing trolling myself... after all, my first muskie was caught while trolling... Mille Lacs was having 3-4ft waves... too choppy to be able to cast... so we decided to troll cowgirls and bam... 43" in the net on a Pink/Pink Cowgirl!!! Plus, with trolling you'll learn about a spot quickly, if not more than what a Lowrance/Humingbird can tell you too!!! |
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