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| who's tried them with faster retrieves as a search bait- say, instead of a pacemaker? any luck?
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| Yes, that is an effective tactic. Fish will eat them. There are some decent ones out there and I would suggest if you're not married to one particular globe take a look at the BS Willy or the American Hardwoods Kry-Baybee. Both are made like tanks and you've got a couple different sizes to consider with those two choices. Fish seem to like 'em fast. |
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| I would probably stay with tail popper baits as search/surface bait of choice.
I think they get a better response generally, than all the globes I have thrown.
I might present a globe to a certain fish, but otherwise, think there are better choices. |
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| The only time I have had good luck using globes with a fast retrieve is during rain storms. I like the B.S Willy globes also.
Good Luck,
Jeff Hanson
madisonmuskyguide.com |
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Location: NE Twin Cities Metro | Fast moving top water baits sometimes reduces hookup ratio. When really burning a globe I throw a Sennet Rough Rider. It has 3 trebles and great hookup success. My Slower globe is the B.S. Wiley or a Rylure. Can burn these too but with only 2 trebles I've missed many strikes. |
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Location: SE, WI. | I agree with fsf. Pop baits like thumpers and humpers, especially the up front rotating poppers like my Headbanger have produced way more fish than a globe. especially searching for fish. My globe production, along with prop type surface lures like a topper stopper styles, seem to shine once water temps get in the 69 - 80 degree range, especially on 3 or more days of warming. IMO In my experience though, globes have a reputation for producing some really big fish!!! |
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Location: north central wisconsin | I agree with the last few posters. Based on my experience i wouldn't categorize the globe as a great search lure. The one exception is on a select few bodies of water in wavy conditions where we can move it along a bit quicker, but still not in a run and gun 'mode'. It is my experience that globes are not small fish baits, with only a handful of fish under 42" on them over the past decade or so. Just talked to Ryan(Rylure) about globes when handing him a couple for rebuilds for the upcoming season, and we agreed that its a unique lure, one with a cult following, and one that sees a love hate relationship based on its production and non production on certain water bodies. My favorite globes are Rylures, mostly because I can walk into his shop and order them to the certain specifications I require/desire in a globe.
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| Nimmer swimmer thor thumper is another good option, didn't give it much water time but saw a slob with it. |
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| thanks for the replies- as far as better hook ups tho, what about a spreader hook arrangement or a drop-hook like the old snodlo? |
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| thanks for the replies- as far as better hook ups tho, what about a spreader hook arrangement or a drop-hook like the old snodlo? |
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Location: 31 | esox69 - 4/20/2012 10:56 AM thanks for the replies- as far as better hook ups tho, what about a spreader hook arrangement or a drop-hook like the old snodlo? I also think there are better options for searching with a top water. The one thing I never liked about the globe is that the blades are easily fouled because they are up front and stick out... just aching to pickup a weed teaser that kills the action of the bait. I had a problem with the hook spreaders hooking more weeds than fish and considering weeds are what I typically fish around with top waters, I quit those too. I'm sure for certain applications the spreaders are the way to go though.
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Location: north central wisconsin | I find spreaders on my globes increase hook-ups. As jerry said though, it's a combine in the weeds. |
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| Don't understand this whole search thing....bought a 14 inch zig zag bait from custom x...will throw it on spots.....fish a mile long weedbed... reduce it to a spot....do your homework.... no need to search....on a good year i will throw 300 casts and catch 6- 50 inchers...search? |
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| Rick Wolff - 4/20/2012 8:52 PM
Don't understand this whole search thing....bought a 14 inch zig zag bait from custom x...will throw it on spots.....fish a mile long weedbed... reduce it to a spot....do your homework.... no need to search....on a good year i will throw 300 casts and catch 6- 50 inchers...search?
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| hmm, well i guess i'm not a muskie god like mr wolff. excuse me...
don't pat yourself on the back too hard, might hurt your casting arm- oh wait, you don't have to throw that many casts so that's ok. pat away, my friend... |
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| Just trying to instill some thought......when you get old you had better fish smarter.......anybody throw a search bait on a marker buoy.........lol..... |
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Location: 31 | Rick Wolff - 4/20/2012 8:52 PM Don't understand this whole search thing....bought a 14 inch zig zag bait from custom x...will throw it on spots.....fish a mile long weedbed... reduce it to a spot....do your homework.... no need to search....on a good year i will throw 300 casts and catch 6- 50 inchers...search? I agree with what your are trying to say in principle, (at least I think I do?) but I believe you're not talking about after the initial search because how does one "reduce" just 1 of of those "mile-long weed beds" in 300 casts?. At some point in time, wouldn't you have to "search" that weed bed? That's the part of the question he wants answered... not how many fish you caught in 300 casts. ...and by the way... You're making it sound like you basically catch 6-50 inch fish in 300 casts in your good years. I don't know where you fish, but I've been around some and typically it takes 6 to 10 caught for each 50" on what most would consider the best water available to accomplish something like that. Simple math says you caught 40-60 muskies in 300 casts... would you happen to have any open spots in your boat this summer?
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| I will give you a couple of examples.....portage bay, leech lake.....you can fish the whole thing....or you can fish the structural element straight out from the port of refuge......pelican reef.....(shallower spots along it) or the spot on the spot...where i,ve caught several mid 50's.....Rusty L fishes the same spot....blasts up to it, throws 3 casts and leaves..... doesn't waste his time on the other mile of it.....a certain guide on the big pond catches two 55, inchers on back to back casts.......same spot.....and yes but rarely i catch smaller fish.....46 and 47 last year on mayhem supers....on the v....go figure....cant stress the spot thing enough.... |
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| Rick Wolff - 4/21/2012 1:02 PM
I will give you a couple of examples.....portage bay, leech lake.....you can fish the whole thing....or you can fish the structural element straight out from the port of refuge......pelican reef.....(shallower spots along it) or the spot on the spot...where i,ve caught several mid 50's.....Rusty L fishes the same spot....blasts up to it, throws 3 casts and leaves..... doesn't waste his time on the other mile of it.....a certain guide on the big pond catches two 55, inchers on back to back casts.......same spot.....and yes but rarely i catch smaller fish.....46 and 47 last year on mayhem supers....on the v....go figure....cant stress the spot thing enough....
So who tells you every spot on the spot on every lake you have ever fished? It is obvious that you have never searched for a Musky, always knowing right where one lies in wait of your first or second cast. With 20 years of solid experience chasing these things myself, I know that not every spot is created equal, and that even a very good Musky angler, can't predict every spots' potential. So, while even the best Musky anglers have to learn a spot by casting it out, you're either omniscent or you are able to travel to every lake in Muskydom, phoning those who know every cherry on every spot for gps coordinates of the rock to cast behind, and then somehow learn that spot by only taking 3-5 casts, and catch a mid 50" Musky.
I would say with confidence that the rest of the Musky angling world, while possessing some great skills, and even some great spots that hold visual cues as to exactly where to cast, will continue to search for fish on occasion. They may even cast more than 5-6 times between 50"ers. |
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| I vote Richard Wolff as easily being the best Musky fisherman in all existence.
I'm pretty sure that's the point he's trying to make. Just do a Google search and look at some the other GREAT posts he's contributed to over the years... Sums him up nicely.
PS- Richard, you should throw up some pics of all your giants to prove how much of a superstar you really are! ...or maybe tournament results that you quite obviously would have placed first in!! |
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| 50inchGrinch - 4/21/2012 4:24 PM
I vote Richard Wolff as easily being the best Musky fisherman in all existence.
I'm pretty sure that's the point he's trying to make. Just do a Google search and look at some the other GREAT posts he's contributed to over the years... Sums him up nicely.
PS- Richard, you should throw up some pics of all your giants to prove how much of a superstar you really are! ...or maybe tournament results that you quite obviously would have placed first in!!
Chuck Norris is even scared of fishing against Richard  |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Rick Wolff..........a legend in his own mind ....
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| You guys are great fun on a rainy day.....chuck Norris.....lol....i should stir the pot more often......easier to draw blood from than a ski with a dawg swallowed....lol... |
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Location: Ames, Iowa | I am learning on Leech that the best search bait is a topwater prop bait. No way you can blast up to a spot tho and start blasting, unless you wanna do a lot of driving around and blasting. The key to Leech is realizing that muskies inhabit the whole lake, not just the "famous" places, and patiently staying off structure, quietly using the wind and good boat control skills. What ya learn on Leech makes you better. |
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globes as search bait