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Location: Eagan, MN | I guess a few guys are just starting to get their hands on these. To those who have been able to play around a little with them, I have a question. Is there any issue with the handle re-engaging when you cast? Since there isn't a counterweight opposite the grip, and it's a push button reel, I would think it might re-engage if the handle is anywhere between about 9 and 3 o'clock. I thought one of the early threads here said it wasn't an issue, but there is a thread on thorne bros' forum that says you have to make sure the handle is in a certain position, or it will re-engage. Who's right? |
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Location: Central Minnesota | I haven't casted any lures with one, however I did get a look at one of the display reels that they have a Thorne Bros. I asked Pat at Thorne's the same quiestion and he said it is a possibility. He made a few dummy casts on the display model and a few times he was able to get it to engage. It depended on the handle position and also how you cast (from the side, sraight over head or somewhere in between). |
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Location: Eagan, MN | Kind of puzzling and disappointing that Shimano doesn't put a counter balanced handle on it... it's a $500 reel for crying out loud. |
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| joemsanderson - 3/12/2012 2:07 PM
It depended on the handle position and also how you cast (from the side, sraight over head or somewhere in between).
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Location: Central Minnesota | I want to say that it engaged more often with the straight over the head cast motion, but I think handle location is going to be the biggest factor. If the handle is casted in the down postion it shouldn't engage. |
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| I've seen the Tranx engage on "dry casts" for sure. Not sure what the real world experience will be like. Here's a thought for you though. If you're having problems with the reel engaging on the cast try cocking your hand with the handle at least partially up. Not sure that's very clear but I'm thinking if you turn your hand somewhere between 45 and 90 degrees to the left it should help relieve some of the inertial force that would make that handle engage the reel. Try it and let me know what happens. |
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Location: Minnesota | I cast with my left hand palming the reel... Been doing this since I started muskie fishing... then the following year, I caught an episode of Muskie Hunter that had advices from Jim Saric... He was doing a segment on wrist, elbow, and shoulder fatigue and suggested that you palm your reel and cast while the reel is sideways... to get a general picture of what Im trying to say... when you're holding the rod while palming the reel, your palm should be facing downward, the reel would be sideway... Shortly after I tried doing that and found that it really HELPS whole lot... It doesnt work too well with non-levelwind reels such as Saltist or Trinidads, as I notice I would have more backlashes than casting it with the reel side up... but it works very well with levelwind reels... Seeing how the Tranx has levelwind, and is about the size of an 16NA, I dont think there would be any problem with casting it the way I describe... that way, the handle wont engage... No harm in trying this... |
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Location: On the water | Just keep your thumb on the thumb bar.. That should do the trick.. |
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| Worst case scenario, we'll all have to spend $50 for a new, counter-balanced handle. OK scenario, Shimano sends Tranx owners new handles. Best case scenario, it's a non-issue. I can live with these possibilities.
Now why the heck did they put a while knob on the handle? It's going to look awful after the first couple of trips!  |
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Location: Contrarian Island | the 16na didn't have a counter balanced handle and I never had a single issue of it engaging on the cast prematurely...why would the Tranx? looks to be same handle...? as far as it getting dirty, surprisingly the white handle stays fairly white all season...if you want to clean it a little 409 brightens it right up |
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Location: Eagan, MN | BNelson - 3/13/2012 12:41 PM
the 16na didn't have a counter balanced handle and I never had a single issue of it engaging on the cast prematurely...why would the Tranx? looks to be same handle...? as far as it getting dirty, surprisingly the white handle stays fairly white all season...if you want to clean it a little 409 brightens it right up
Because the 16na doesn't have a thumb bar. It has a lever that you have to manually re-engage. Turning the handle doesn't cause the spool to re-engage.
I agree, all of this is solved by buying a counter-balanced handle. It's just annoying that the stock handle isn't really 'right' for the reel's intended purpose. |
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| piker - 3/12/2012 11:57 PM
Just keep your thumb on the thumb bar.. That should do the trick..
exactly. Can't see an issue if do this. |
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| The counterbalanced handle would help a lot in it's own right, but what I don't get is why they made the paddle itself on the handle so heavy. If it were lighter, the spring would be plenty strong to hold it in place on all but the very, very hardest casts regardless of handle position. |
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Location: Chicago | This reel was heralded as the grail of musky reels. At least the grail for certain applications. I mean they took an ad out in Musky Hunter. I would expect the "grail" of musky reels to come out of the box ready for water. Not have to worry about handle placement. Not hold the thumb bar which I highly doubt would work. Considering the force and inertia produced casting say soaking wet dbl. 10 marabou with added weight to counter the speed and lift my new grail produces. Now add in some heavy wind I have to fight through and exert even more force. The grail would have a power handle as the weight gives you more fulcrum and is easier to hold when you want that ultimate speed, but now you want me to take that off and put on a calcutta handle? Last the grail would have a level wind to help eliminate backlash that the Trinidad is notorious for in strong wind. |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | I would assume they would NOT engage during the cast...but alot of it might also depend on HOW you cast... I run all Shimano 400 LJV's...I have seen on this board over and over how that reel engages during casting...well, I have yet to see it happen...I don't change out handles like everybody says you have to. I just cast...and keep my thumb on the thumb bar. I have used the Tranx and didn't see any issues with this reel. I don't see it being a problem. But then again, it's kind of like how so many people have issues deploying a Minn Kota Power Drive...it's not the trolling motor, you don't need to use WD-40...it's HOW the person is deploying it that causes problems....so again, it probably all depends on how you cast, but I haven't seen any issues with it nor do I think they will be any engaging issues. Amazing reel for sure. |
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| I've made thousands and thousands of full out boomer bomber casts with the Tranx and have yet for it to engage when I didn't want it to.
From what my experience has been, it's totally a non-issue.
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| I have used the Shimano 400 LJV for the past two seasons. I would guestimate that I engage the reel about once very 1000 casts. It does surprise you when it happens, but I have had not ill effects except the surprise itself. No damage to the reel to my knowledge, and I tore it apart after the first season for inspection.
On the other hand, my Brother in law has had the same reel for about half a season and I would estimate he engages it about 1 in a 100 casts. Not sure what he is doing differently, but obviously he has a slightly different casting style. Again, no ill effects to the reel or lure, just a big surprise when it happens.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Guest - 3/15/2012 8:13 PM
I have used the Shimano 400 LJV for the past two seasons. I would guestimate that I engage the reel about once very 1000 casts. It does surprise you when it happens, but I have had not ill effects except the surprise itself. No damage to the reel to my knowledge, and I tore it apart after the first season for inspection.
On the other hand, my Brother in law has had the same reel for about half a season and I would estimate he engages it about 1 in a 100 casts. Not sure what he is doing differently, but obviously he has a slightly different casting style. Again, no ill effects to the reel or lure, just a big surprise when it happens.
Steve V
When the reel engages on the cast the spool pin and the pinion gear take the most of the force. Ck out the spool pin and the slots on top of the pinion gear for signs of damage. The gears set also take some of the force to and they are made of brass so they will damage very easy.
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Location: Eagan, MN | So, the consensus seems to be that depending upon your individual casting style, some people will definitely have issues, while others will wonder what the fuss is about, and this may or may not directly correlate with your Power Drive deployment technique. I'd imagine that holding the thumbar down until you've finished your casting motion might do the trick, but what's really aggravating is it's a $500 reel and for $500 I don't feel like holding the button down. Why not go ahead and make it a $510 reel and do it right. I've also heard the level-wind disengages on the cast, and I just have to ask why they made some of these design decisions. I don't want to sound like I'm product bashing... I may in fact still buy one or two. Shimano makes great stuff and maybe that's the reason I've just come to expect a little more from them. |
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| Hopefully this will be a non-issue for most users in the long run. Clearly there is the potential for the reel to engage. However, my interpretation of the cases mentioned above were situations where the goal was to make it engage. Hard to say without actually being there, but it seems as though there was effort being put into making the reel engage, rather than trying to avoid it happening. |
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| I think this is all nit picking without anyone other than LD having an experience with them. And he says no problem. There may be a few others who have used them a little and none of them has complained either. |
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| As what Larry said, i used the reel for 11 day's last fall and engagement was a non issue. Before anglers claim what the think they know maybe test one out.
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| I can't believe all of this talk of the tranx. The Muskie expo in wasaua showed what it was really worth, a shiny metal reel, weighing as much as gold and not near the worth of 500 bones. Why do people need to feel a high speed reel that can burn big blades is worth gold. Is it prestige that people need to feel to buy a 500 dollar non functional reel sped out in production to get greedy muskie fisherman a swollen head over a reel. " I got a tranx, what do you have" ? Makes me think back to the rednecks who drove trucks with oversized tires to compensate for their physical deficiencies. Is that what the hype for the tranx is? |
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| I am guessing that the reel manufacturers have figured out that muskie anglers are a lot like fly fishermen - no expense is too large. And with the increasing popularity of large lures, and big blades, it stands to reason that someone would eventually catch on and produce a high end real with a high end orice tag. Judging by the amount of talk, and the guys who have ordered the reel already, sight unseen? I'd say it was a good business move.
Is it hype? Time will tell whether or not the quality and durability are worth the price tag. But even if it IS hype, can you blame them? Hype sells product, even when you don't have the name or the track record to justify it. Shimano has always been known for producing reels of the highest quality. Look and how many TE's were and still are sold. Look at the Trinidad. Even when you're talking low-end, the Cardiff comes up again and again and again. |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | Non shimano - 3/16/2012 10:31 PM I can't believe all of this talk of the tranx. The Muskie expo in wasaua showed what it was really worth, a shiny metal reel, weighing as much as gold and not near the worth of 500 bones. Why do people need to feel a high speed reel that can burn big blades is worth gold. Is it prestige that people need to feel to buy a 500 dollar non functional reel sped out in production to get greedy muskie fisherman a swollen head over a reel. " I got a tranx, what do you have" ? Makes me think back to the rednecks who drove trucks with oversized tires to compensate for their physical deficiencies. Is that what the hype for the tranx is? I was skeptical of the hype as well, and I love my Trinidads so I was thinking "what's the big deal?" So myself once being of the "hype" mindset, I'll give you my take on it as I see it now. If you search this site back over the past several years there has been an immense desire for a burner that'll hold up to the blades, AND have a levelwind and thumb bar. Well here it is. Prayers of hundreds of muskie guys answered in one reel. I remember reading replies such as "the muskie market is so small, you'll never see it." And I believed that to be true, until this reel showed up. I could easily be wrong, but I'd bet Larry has Shimano's ear as much as anyone on the planet, and we likely owe him a debt of gratitude for pushing the concept on them....dunno....just a guess. So the hype follows the desire. Kindof a similar hype surrounded the Yamaha SHO, but it was the same thing; prayers answered by a reputable company and now we have a light, fast, four stroke. The only other desire this passionate is the desire for burners in lefty. As to your other points, why do people think a high speed burner is worth so much? That answer should be obvious. "Non functional?" Seriously? As for price, ego or compensation or whatever...meh, don't think so. This reel is the best of the best and ya gotta pay for it. Same as boats, tires, chainsaws, or a friggin blender. Can you catch muskies on a sub-$100 reel? Of course you can. I've done it. But if I want what this reel can do and the quality that comes with it, I'm gonna drop $500 on it. I wish my fly reels only cost $500...the Tranx, or any bait caster has more moving parts and technology than any fly reel. It's a bargain if you ask me. Just my humble, stupid opinion, but it's a badass reel. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | I don't think the Handle will be a problem.
I have had 2 of these reels in my hand, but have not fished with one yet....... But IMHO I think that this reel is a good one.
It's built like a tank and I'm sure it will hold up to anything you try throwing with it, but It's big, heavy,cumbersome, and Ya, Big.
I'll wait a yr. or so to see how it pans out, or just barrow yours.
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| Just made about 100 casts off the dock with the Tranx and never had the handle engage during the cast. Tried it in numerous in all positions. |
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| let them get a few hundred hours on them, let the spring loosen a little, the demos at the chicago show were sloppy and the handle engaged very easily at the thornes booth. |
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| What about just keeping your thumb on the thumb bar? I've heard of guys with LJVs doing that. |
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| ****************EDIT! My following statements are flawed... The reel doesn't engage when line is on and casting a lure. See my last post for a proper evaluation of the reel.****************************
I'm holding a brand new Tranx 500PG in my hands right now... If the power handle is in a forward position, it absolutely does engage on a hard cast... any other position and it's practically impossible to get it to engage.
As Mike and others have stated... HOLDING THE THUMB BAR DOWN PREVENTS THIS COMPLETELY. ...In fact, it's impossible to get it to engage while doing this no matter what the position is. |
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Location: N.FIB | is there a different power handle you could put on to prevent this |
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| Today, I spent a couple hours playing with my new Tranx with the 4.6/1 drive. I threw several hundred casts with a double 10, and a bunch more with a Suick, then some more with a big spinner bait. I tried to throw in as many different ways as I could, and the reel never engaged on a cast. The reel preformed very well and was comfortable to palm. The resistance was similar to an Abu 7000 with a 4.1/1 gear ratio with all baits. I think I picked up a few inches of line with each turn of the handle over the 7000 but not a significant amount. The low profile will be a nice change of pace from the round 7000 but nothing significant.
I will use the reel this year and enjoy it, but at this time, I don't see where it is a significant improvement over my other reels. A Calcutta 400 TE pulls much easier and I am hard pressed to remember when it was too slow. In addition, I think the TranX is the ugliest reel I have ever seen. I first saw it on Larry D's video and then again, at the Chicago Muskie Show and thought it was the worst looking reel ever. I still feel the same about the looks even though I paid for it. It is a nice reel but.........I may have buyers remorse
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| A Tekota 500 handle with the counter balance fits on it...
***edit... I'm wrong in the statement below... read my following posts****
...I think the guys that aren't having problems with it engaging can't be casting with it in a forward position with a hard enough cast or there thumb is holding down the bar. While the handle is forward a light cast won't engage the reel, on a hard cast in the same position it absolutely does. |
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| *********....BUT!!!! On the same note, I'm dry casting the reel on a Big Nasty without line or a lure on it... So maybe that is the difference???******** |
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| Southshore - 3/18/2012 5:57 PM
Today, I spent a couple hours playing with my new Tranx with the 4.6/1 drive...The resistance was similar to an Abu 7000 with a 4.1/1 gear ratio with all baits.
I'm a little disappointed to hear that analysis. Somewhat surprised as well. I was expecting there to be a lot more power, especially with the PG model. I was hoping the HG model to be more comparable to a 7000 in those regards. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | 50inchGrinch - 3/19/2012 8:32 AM
*********....BUT!!!! On the same note, I'm dry casting the reel on a Big Nasty without line or a lure on it... So maybe that is the difference???********
How is this even a good comparison to the REAL thing? put some line on the reel and a few different lures on a GOOD 9ft. rod and get some REAL feedback before you make an educated desision.
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| Never had an issue myself or with others trying them in my boat with the pre -production models.
As for the haters...it's always entertaining to hear them downgrade something they will never buy and haven't tried.
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Location: Eagan, MN | bturg - 3/19/2012 8:35 PM
As for the haters...it's always entertaining to hear them downgrade something they will never buy and haven't tried.
I'm not sure how that comment contributes anything to the discussion. I asked a legit question. Several people who have tried and or bought one have commented that it is possible to get it to engage prematurely. Perhaps if you could elaborate (beyond the "no issues" response that we've already seen here) it would help. |
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| This could be the most inane topic..ever. Three people that have actually used the reel and caught fish on it: Larry Dahlberg, Bob Turgeon and Ryan Marlowe have all said its a non issue. Sure would not want to listen to one of those 3...I mean what they hell do they know.... Much more fun to forumlate half baked theories than listen to credible experts... |
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Location: Eagan, MN | I'm asking him to elaborate, so to me it kinda sounds like I want to listen. Get it? I have never seen so many people on this forum get this threatened, defensive and emotional about a few simple questions. If this reel is as great as everyone is saying, then I'd expect it could hold up to a little scrutiny and due diligence. "Trust me, just buy it" doesn't fly. "No issue" doesn't fly. "Buy one, and THEN you can complain" doesn't fly. I don't care who is pimping it. I've been extremely objective and willing to listen, if only someone endorsing this reel would say something besides "don't worry about it". Counter-balanced handles are a half baked theory now? Just a superfluous gimick on all of the other reels that have them? If not, then what makes the tranx unique in this regard? You want to be considered a credible expert? Then talk like one. And spare me the indignation.
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| Fair enough, I'll elaborate:
edited to note I was typing as 10K was posting ....so this is a response to the previous post asking for more input
I did not have any casting issues myself and the others in my boat (including some novices) did not as well. Also to be fair I'm guessing you could make it engage. With about 8 years casting Trinidads (the handle won't engage the gearing but it will hit your knuckles) and LVJ models I simply have developed a habit of doing two things, when I cast I choke up a bit and snug my hand up near the reel handle, I also rotate the handles to the sky rolling my wrist inward, this gives me better accuracy and I suspect both moves limit handle turn as well. Most people using a thumbar follow through during the cast and their thumb stays on the spool to control overspin ...this keeps the thumbar down as well and it simply cannot engage with the thumbar down....even if you lighten up during the end of the cast the danger has already past.
As far as the haters comment...again fair enough. Seven years ago I had a Schimano engineer in my boat for an afternoon, I had him throw all the big new blade baits and showed him what I thought we needed. Now I'm not saying that was the reason they made this reel (or even close) but I like to think it had an impact...when he left he said "I get it, I can build it if the sales guys think it has wider appeal" So late last season I heard they were building this kick butt reel and I felt some personal pride in it. Since the reel has been anounced people have lined up...both to buy them and others to tell everyone why they won't....I guess I am simply over it with the haters of everything new, better and usually more expensive. There will be a few people who won't like them after they try one but my experience is that the guys who want to throw high end finely tuned gear will love them and it will change their games for the better. Will a few adjustments be needed for some people ....maybe but a guy stepping into a Porsche won't get the most out of it if he drives it like a 76 chevette.
Nope it's not for everyone because it is NOT inexpensive, it IS larger than many standard reels, it MAY require a little more attention to get the most out of it from a few, BUT it will perform on a higher level in certain situations than any other current reel . For me thats good enough.
PS Tonka is wide open...crappie time
So fair question on my comments, I hope that clears it up and adds some value to the thread. |
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Location: Eagan, MN | Thanks Bob, that is exactly the kind of info I am looking for. I have no doubt that it performs great for you personally. It's just nice to know as much as you can before making this kind of investment. I was one who bought a trinidad years back, and sold it within a month. It just wasn't for me, although I know it works great for other guys.
And I do understand the value of top of the line tackle, whether real or perceived. I use nothing but Thorne Bros customs, and while I'd be hard pressed to explain what makes them so great, I feel they're worth every penny.
As far as the Tranx, I still think it's an interesting reel and I will probably try one. My first and foremost criteria for any muskie reel is dependability, and I'm sure this one has it in spades. And you should be proud of your involvement, not everyone gets the opportunity to do that. I kind of think the 4.6 will be a 7000 high speed without the durability issues, or a 700te without the carpal tunnel. If it can do that it's well worth the price.
Finally, I apologize if I came off like a hater. I'm just a guy who likes to research his purchases and spend his money wisely, or at least as wisely as a muskie nut can.
Good luck this year and maybe see you out on tonka. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It's proper form to turn the reel 90 degrees when casting. I'm left handed with a spinning reel, which means the handle is on the right side of the reel. I'm still left handed with a casting reel because I still cast with my left hand-- the handle is on the right--who came up with that being right handed?
So when I cast, the handle paddle/paddles end is/are facing down. If you cast with your right arm (weird...) and the handles are on the right side of the reel, the paddles need to be facing the sky.
Makes a big difference reducing backlash, providing accuracy, and obviously will help avoid accidentally engaging any reel from the handle slamming forward. One is supposed to cast with the wrist, not arms, anyway.
So it makes sense some folks might have issues, and others, none.
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I used the reel for 11 day's and never one issue with this reel. Confident in the product i gat from Shimano. I allway's ran the best fishing equipment even before i owned Figure 8 Baits. Nothing has changed. I am running 2 500pg's and 2 500 hg's for myself this summer.
Before anglers knock them without touching them, be non biased when you try one as you just might like it!
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | sworrall - 3/19/2012 11:03 PM
Makes a big difference reducing backlash, providing accuracy, and obviously will help avoid accidentally engaging any reel from the handle slamming forward. One is supposed to cast with the wrist, not arms, anyway.
I would like to hear how handle position reduces backlash. This should be good. My thumb, friction knob, and centrifugal/magnetic brakes I can understand, but how does handle position reduce backlash? |
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| And I'm definitely NO SHIMANO HATER either... I use ONLY their reels. BUT people need to know if this reel is going to engage how to AVOID it from happening. Shimano themselves will be thankful for the truth coming out with proper education on how to use this reel... So they don't have a bunch of them coming back for WARRANTY within the first year.
I'll do a full test today...
**********EDITTTTTT.... Ok, I was wrong, I suck. Out of 100 casts today with the reel strung and a cowgirl on, it engaged only once...************ Top H20 you're right. Sorry for the comments.... |
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| ...and I sell these reels with my name behind them. So I'm not going to lie to people just so they can come back with a busted reel and call me a liar. ...It was the same story with LJV's. Probably had at least half a dozen returned last year with the same problem. All of which could have been avoided with proper education on the reel. (thumb bar down and handle down or back) |
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| ****Ignore my previous comments and read this one!*****
Well, I was WRONG!!!! Strung it this morning, and made about 100 casts... it engaged only once and it may have been my error when it did. Almost all 100 of the casts were done with the handle in the 12 o'clock to 3 o'clock position and for the life of me I couldn't get it to engage 99.9% of the time. Sorry for any that I misled with the dry casting test.
This is a good lesson though... Anyone who checks out the reel in the stores and tries to engage it in the forward positon will be able to do so... But there is NO COMPARISON to when the reel has line and a lure on it...
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It isn't 'handle position', it's how one holds the reel while casting and about using the wrist more than the shoulders to get the lure where you want it. Here's a couple random links:
http://www.ehow.com/how_2089068_cast-baitcasting-reel.html
http://survival-training.info/Library/Fish/How%20to%20Cast%20the%20...
The why of it is how the energy of the line coming off the reel spool and through the guides is distributed when in that position, the fact that that is the way your wrist works; plus it's about the efficient transfer of the energy from the rod blank. I learned some baitcasting tricks from this guy:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1979&dat=19820501&id=fIs0AAAA...
Shag was one of the top 'trick casters' in the world, and was very instrumental in the development of modern casting reel design. Google the name, some fascinating articles. Great guy, too.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | For some trick casting Master Casters are some of the best !!!!
http://www.takemefishing.org/fishing/videos/master-casters
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Location: Verona, WI | I had the same experience as the Grinch. I wasn't counting but the reel did engage once. For me, it's not a big deal as I'll deal with the hassle/worry in exchange for a thumb bar. And I am sure there will be a handle option at some point. The reason I bought this real is that my motion in the figure 8 with my Trinidad/Saltist was herky jerky as I would use my left hand to flip the lever to free spool the reel. No problem anymore.
I can post a copy of my receipt to show I bought it if I need street cred for some to comment on the reel (sarcasm intended).
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Location: Sun Prairie, WI | ShaneW - 3/20/2012 10:35 AM I can post a copy of my receipt to show I bought it if I need street cred for some to comment on the reel (sarcasm intended). Shane Now that's funny right there!!! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | One thing is certain, there's a correct way to hold a casting reel when casting, and an incorrect way. The incorrect way will increase the propensity for a reel to engage in the middle of a cast.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | can someone give me a listing of casting coaches who can break down my form please? ... just want to up my game a bit |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Too late for you, Sled... |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | Having the reel engage while casting is completely a non-issue. Most of you are way over thinking and over worrying about this. It is a non-issue. |
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| One thing is certain, there's a correct way to hold a casting reel when casting, and an incorrect way. The incorrect way will increase the propensity for a reel to engage in the middle of a cast.
Interesting. Probably true. But I really have to wonder if after God-Knows-how-many casts over the last *cough* years since I started fishing if I could change the way I do it or not, and if the time or effort would be worth saving the occasional broken reel... |
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| Everyone listen to Mike.... he's right!
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| Interesting, topic. |
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| I spent 4 days using my lower speed Tranx and did not have it engage on any casts. I tried to get it to engage with a variety of casting motions but it never did. I threw double 10s with it and I was happy with the performance. I spent some time using my usual Abu 7000 throwing the same lure in order to compare the two reels. Both weigh about the same and fit my hand in a similar manner, which means heavy and bulky. They both pull the double 10s with very similar resistance and the line pick up is very close. The Tranx spool is a bit narrower than the 7000 but almost the same diameter when fully spooled. I think this equates to the line pick being close to the same. The Tranx is a very nice reel and I am lucky my wife told me to buy it. I will use it and enjoy it but the performance differences between it and my old 7000s are minimal. After 4 days of fishing, neither caught a muskie but they both did the job of casting and retrieving my lures. |
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| That's the second report I've heard for the resistance being comparable. That's really disappointing. I was expecting there to be a much bigger difference. I was hoping the line pick-up to be a little bit more noticeable. There should be about an 8" difference between the two. |
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Location: Elgin IL | Glad I ordered the HS High Speed one. |
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| I ordered a tranx and when it came in went to the lake and fasted a few diff lures,tens were hard pulling,pg by the way,i was suprised it felt like a gold 16n with tens,lots of power and kinda hard to hold on the rod,i didn't throw dawgs since it was from shore but throwing a glider felt good.I think this reel will be a great rod for dawgs which I throw more than tens,i thought the pg would be easier pulling,if I had to do it over again I would get the hs because I don't think the resistance can be much more |
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| It seems to me that Tranx buyers and users will catch more fish on a Tranx than the other reels they own. Why? Because they will no doubt use them more than all the other reels they own. If the Tranx argument isn't the best example of a self-fullfilling prophecy I don't know what is. If I were to spend $500 on a reel it would no question outperform all of my other reels. |
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Location: Leech Lake, Walker MN | Guest well said
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| Guest - 4/11/2012 6:02 PM
It seems to me that Tranx buyers and users will catch more fish on a Tranx than the other reels they own. Why? Because they will no doubt use them more than all the other reels they own. If the Tranx argument isn't the best example of a self-fullfilling prophecy I don't know what is. If I were to spend $500 on a reel it would no question outperform all of my other reels.
The Tranx will put more fish in the boat because of its reliability and it's easy use. This reel is built to last and be reliable, its not some magical reel as people were hoping.
It is worth every penny! |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Guest - 4/11/2012 6:02 PM
It seems to me that Tranx buyers and users will catch more fish on a Tranx than the other reels they own. Why? Because they will no doubt use them more than all the other reels they own. If the Tranx argument isn't the best example of a self-fullfilling prophecy I don't know what is. If I were to spend $500 on a reel it would no question outperform all of my other reels. -
WOW another GUEST with a small rod syndrome LOL LOL
Don't get into BASS FISHING because see pic below the Megabass Carrozzeria Milano sells for $1399.00 if you can find one.
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| I carry lot's of Megabass gear in the shop including cranks, jerkbaits, topwater, jigs and plastics. I have not brought in the reels or rods but have sold Calcutta, Trinidad and Calais reels all in the DC models. As musky anglers we do demand quality and there is a price to pay.
As a musky angler i used Trinidads for the last 3 years and i and many others would like to see a Trinidad strong reel built with a levelwind and a thumb bar, and thats what Shimano delivered for $20 bucks more than a Trinidad! I really cant see how anyone could complain.
No difference in most of the purchases we do in life |
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| I purchased both a Tranx PG and HG reel about a month ago for casting surface iron for yellowtail here in SoCal. The reels cast extremely well and handle these fish no problem. Unfortunately the handles do cause the reel to engage on casts. I have done it twice (once on both reels) and the gears were shot both times. I have been casting Shimano Trinidad's and Daiwa Saltiga's for many years so i know how to cast. It is extremely important to make sure the handle is facing down before casting this reel to avoid the handle swing to cause the reel to engage. Better yet, a counterbalanced handle would solve everything but I have already spent $500 x2 on the reels. Love the Tranx for what it can do but hate the Tranx for making me think of handle placement prior to every cast. |
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| I own the Tranx HG and have fished with it over 50hrs and have never had the handle engage during casting. |
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