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| Is Power or speed more important when casting Double #10s and 13s. What are people using, rigs ect... |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Define the term "power" as it would be used in this context.
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| IMO, you want both, especially if you want to throw the 13s. If just 10s you will have a wider degree of choices, but if you want to fish 13s with speed for any amount of time that resembles a normal day on the water (whether 4 hours or 14) then you are going to want both Power and Speed.
You didn't give a budget, so my preferred equipment would be a Thorne Predator XH with a Transx Speed Gear reel. 9-6 length and 100lb braid.
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Location: Minnetonka | Brad P - 3/12/2012 8:54 AM
... my preferred equipment would be a Thorne Predator XH with a Tranx Speed Gear reel.
How do you know the Tranx Speed would be your preferred reel?
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Location: MN | Hammskie - 3/12/2012 9:45 AM
How do you know the Tranx Speed would be your preferred reel?
When Brads not catching 3 skies a year he's in Thorne soaking up knolage. He knows people!  |
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Location: Okoboji | Tim Schmitz - 3/12/2012 10:03 AM
Hammskie - 3/12/2012 9:45 AM
How do you know the Tranx Speed would be your preferred reel?
When Brads not catching 3 skies a year he's in Thorne soaking up knolage. He knows people! :- )
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| Maybe Tim needs to soak up a little knowledge, as in spelling... ? |
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Location: MN | Lol autocorrect must not be working today.
It was brought to my attention that this was my 420th post... Anybody want to get high?
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| All my buddies pickin on each other...kinda fun.
Power and speed interplay with each other in reels, fast gearing without a big enough spool won't be fast on the retrieve...low gearing with a big spool can be pretty fast...a big spool with fast gearing can be really fast IF you can provide enough power. |
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| Brad P - 3/12/2012 8:54 AM
IMO, you want both, especially if you want to throw the 13s. If just 10s you will have a wider degree of choices, but if you want to fish 13s with speed for any amount of time that resembles a normal day on the water (whether 4 hours or 14) then you are going to want both Power and Speed.
You didn't give a budget, so my preferred equipment would be a Thorne Predator XH with a Transx Speed Gear reel. 9-6 length and 100lb braid.
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Power as in bearings that are not going to wear within a year or two based on that I mainly toss double 10s, and I would said I toss 13s maybe 20% of that time. so it is the lesser of the two for sure. I defiantly want something with some speed, but more and more I hear about power is more important and at this point I am confused. Would the Revo Winch be enough speed? I know it has power... but the gear ratio seems to low to me to be able to burn them. This will be my second year Musky fishing, just trying to learn as much as possible prior to hitting the water.
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| oh, and budget is around 250 - 350 |
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| The best thing to do is actually try the different reels out as each individual has differing hand speeds and power ranges that they can turn the handle. Bearing quality and durability don't really have anything to do with power per se: The price range your looking at has decent quality that should hold up for the most part...you can also consider a nice higher end used reel that has lots of life left in it that may have been a 4-500 dollar model a year ago.
In your price range the Winch and TE400 are going to hold up well and both have lots of pulling power...neither are fast. The Saltist 20 and 30 are fast with decent power, the Curado EJ is fast but a bit light on power for pulling.
In the used market a 700 TE or Trinindad is an easy buy there...14 or 16 size. Shimano has a great warrenty on them so even if you need repairs down the line they generally repair them to like new for about $30 so a good investment.
Best to borrow-demo or try out if you can and see what fits your needs...speed can be bought to a point but everyone turns the handle a bit different. |
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| bturg - 3/12/2012 10:54 AM
The best thing to do is actually try the different reels out as each individual has differing hand speeds and power ranges that they can turn the handle. Bearing quality and durability don't really have anything to do with power per se: The price range your looking at has decent quality that should hold up for the most part...you can also consider a nice higher end used reel that has lots of life left in it that may have been a 4-500 dollar model a year ago.
In your price range the Winch and TE400 are going to hold up well and both have lots of pulling power...neither are fast. The Saltist 20 and 30 are fast with decent power, the Curado EJ is fast but a bit light on power for pulling.
In the used market a 700 TE or Trinindad is an easy buy there...14 or 16 size. Shimano has a great warrenty on them so even if you need repairs down the line they generally repair them to like new for about $30 so a good investment.
Best to borrow-demo or try out if you can and see what fits your needs...speed can be bought to a point but everyone turns the handle a bit different.
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Thanks bTurg, that actually helps a lot. I am going to start watching the board after I make an account right now and see what is going on and if anyone is selling these reels. Unfortunately I don't really have the means to test out different reels without making purchases.
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | The best reel in my opinion for both speed and power for big blades is the Shimano 400 TE-LJV. This reel is sick for burning blades and is amazingly powerful. Can't go wrong. Call Throne Bros. up, as for Josh and get yourself a 400 TE-LJV |
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| the horse has been dead for a looooooong time now. |
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| guest u basically want to get ur hands on a used trinny 14 or 16, 400 TE with a power handle ...400 te-ljv as mike said but not a ton of people using them so hard to find used and expensive brand new, or a used 700te. All expensive reels but all will do what u want. |
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Location: Okoboji | i know a guy that wants to sell at trinidad 14 (silver) cause he wants a te...it isnt me...pm me if you want his info.
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| This horse IS well beaten but for those new to the game or looking to upgrade their gear it is a legitimate concern.
For example: Mike Hulbert (who fishes a ton) prefers the 400 series LVJ or TE as he can generate tons of rotational hand speed...that means he can take advantage of the power gearing these reels have and use it combined with fast turning of the handle to generate fast retrieve speeds. Personally I (also fish a ton) prefer the large spool reels with high gearing like the Trinidad 16 or the new high speed Tranx for my burning needs as I am faster with that style reel. That said I usually go with the Trinidad 14 or now the slower Tranx for burning 13's as that balance of speed/power in the gearing give's me the best result with the harder pull of the 13's. The point being one person's preference based on their results may not apply directly to someone else. I use the LVJ and TE when I want to go really slow with hard pulling baits....
Random numbers for the techy guys: last year I tested drag against the angler with 10's and 13's
at 2.5 mph 10's drag in the water was 2.7lbs (chrome blades tested...painted brass pull a bit easier due to flex)
3.5 mph add 1 pound of pull so 3.7lbs
4.5 mph add another pound of drag etc
13's start about a pound higher and also added about a pound of drag per MPH above the 2.5mph baseline.
It's quite a bit of pull and it's realistic that most people never get much past the 2.5 to 3.0 mph range on a cast/retrieve scenario. I trolled with a digital scale in 80 degree water to get test results...GPS speeds. Cooler water would likely give slightly higher drag numbers as the water is denser resulting in more pull.
I keep all the models in this discussion expect the Abu's in my boat for clients and often find one persons reeling cadence more suited to one specific reel than the others.
Continue....
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Location: Lino Lakes, MN | Bob,
Great info for the forum.
Thank You for all of the information you so freely share.
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| bturg,
How was reeling in 13's with the high gear tranx?
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| As I get older I'm trending to the slower models for 13's and slowing down with them overall (because it hurts) so the TN14 when I do that. That said I have used the fastest models like the TN16 for most of my blade work for the past 7-8 years. I tend to use quite a bit of speed with blades in general, if I wanted to really slow down I use a 14 size.
My guess is most people will be happier and faster with the slower tranx for 13's and maybe 50/50 on tens and almost everyone will be faster on 8's and other smaller blades with the fast reel.
For me: This season my everyday blade rod will have a fast Tranx on it as it brings decent speed and good power for the big stuff.
The way I spool my reels TN14 = 34" per turn, TN16 44" per turn, 700TE 31" per turn
The new Tranx were about 31 and 41 inches so the fast model bridges the TN models nicely. I'll still have 14's on board as the lower weight makes them so nice to handle.
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Location: 31 | Sorgy - 3/12/2012 2:32 PM Bob, Great info for the forum. Thank You for all of the information you so freely share. Steve x2 tburg has been a fantastic poster for years! Whenever I see your post, I read and learn... thank you!
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Location: Pewaukee, WI | You're my kind of guy! My thanks as well for the sharing of your knowledge. |
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| Thanks Bob you have so much more credibility over BradP and it is best to go straight to the horse any way. No offense Brad!!!!!!! LOL You know I am joshing you.
Also for anyone interested in the Shimano Tranx; I hear they will have them at the April MN Muskie Expo in the booth next to Larry Dahlberg to try out in a reel winding contest. For $2 a try reel contest to raise money for muskie related activities you get to try out the Tranx and possibly win a prize.
Don't forget to stop by the North Metro Muskies, Inc booth and see Meredith Jacobson's 55" fish mount too. |
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| Since my credibility is now somewhere on it's way to the sewer treatment plant, did I tell you guys about the 70" I caught last year? |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | Brad P - 3/13/2012 11:14 AM
Since my credibility is now somewhere on it's way to the sewer treatment plant, did I tell you guys about the 70" I caught last year?
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| I prefer power over speed. The reason for this is simple - I'd much rather have a reel where I can fish double 10's or 13's comfortably all day long. If I am looking for speed, I prefer to downsize to a #8 or 9 blade, and use a faster reel. That may cost me a few fish here and there, because there are times where burning big blades is a huge trigger. It's probably a wash, though, because when my hands and wrists are hurting, and I'm tired because I've used a reel that requires a lot more effort, I'm simply not as focused and not "on top of my game"... I don't know about the ones that didn't eat because I wasn't able to reel fast enough, but I know of several I missed because I was sore and tired. I'd rather make the task of throwing big blades as easy as possible, so I'm still worth a #*#* after 8-10 hours. |
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| Thank you bob for your knowledge! |
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Location: 31 | esoxaddict - 3/13/2012 11:58 AM I prefer power over speed. The reason for this is simple - I'd much rather have a reel where I can fish double 10's or 13's comfortably all day long. double 13s comfortably all day long... Really?
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| I seen a muskie video where Dick Pearson used and liked the Abu Garcia 7000.
So I bought one it turned out to be best reel I ever purchased. It's an older Abu Garcia 7000 and it's a work horse. I tried the newer Abu Garcia 7000's but I still prefer my older reel over the newer ones. Didn't cost me a small fortune either.
It's my the big blade machine.
Thanks for the tip Dick Pearson
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