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Location: Okoboji | i recieved one of these in the mail...it is a redo of the older twin tail....new harness, new rubber, new colors, new design is 10" long...has about as much in common with the old one as a 1985 camaro to a 2012 zr1 camaro....just saying,,,,i cant wait to try it!
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Location: MN | Musky Innovations? Looks like a sweet bait. |
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Location: Okoboji | no not innovations. guide dog tackle, small co. out of wisconsin. dont flame me,,,,i give people second chances. looks like a decent bait. |
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Location: Chesterton, Indiana | I like the look of that bait and color too. I will have to see what other colors they come in. |
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Location: NorthCentral WI | Mak51 - 2/23/2012 8:25 AM
Musky Innovations? Looks like a sweet bait.
Looks like a re-make of the Bucher Fluttertail. I'd throw it. |
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Location: Detroit River | I seen those on Ebay (Guide Dog Tackle). They look good but I'd like to see them offered in more colors than just the 6 colors he has on Ebay & in a larger size. He's also selling knock-off mag dawgs on there as well. His feedback is 100% positive. I'd be interested in knowing how well the hold up.
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Location: Okoboji | these twin tails are not knockoffs,,that bulldawg style bait was a long time ago when there was a big hurahh when everyone copied innovations from what i understand...everyone was guilty but innovations at one time. innovations is the originator of the bulldawg and are my favorite and go to bait but i do love my 11" curly sues! Like i said give companies another shot.
I bought some direct cause it looked like a #*^@ cool bait,,,i run all the rubber baits but what i have the most of is the mi mag dawgs....they all hold up pretty good but for the cost for performance they cant be beat. and again i am not in cahoots with guide dog one bit. i use them all, mi, chaos, gd, red oct and i am really wanting to try the hellkats
hey they are on ebay, i thought you were talking about them older dawg style baits they had. yeah not a ton of color choices on there but maybe there are more. maybe dude should stop selling the dawg style baits lol.... |
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Location: Money, PA | I've been in "cahoots" with the Wiley's for many years, great bait for sure. The Wiley Lure gained its popularity and reputation from two places...The Kawarthas and Lake St. Clair. The 5.5" and 6" Wileys were the best bait going on St. Clair for years and you would not believe how many copies were being produced in Mich. It is SO hard to get a patend that is so similar to so many other things. All Dale could ever get a patent on is his logo and name...big deal! Anyway, lures get copied everyday and some better than others. All I'm really interested in is catching fish and having good products in order to do so. I have felt and used a few of the Guide Dog lures and they are very well made and work fine. Theres not much to the action of those type of baits anyhow.
Bottom line is that you'll have folks out there copying baits, its a fact of life...all we can do is to continue to produce quality products for those fishermen/women out there who apprecite it. However, we have to realize that in todays economy, people are often looking to save a few bucks....and we as producers of products need to be realistic about our pricing. I personally feel some of the prices of some of the baits out there has gotten pretty outrageaous. My baits, I guarantee, will not only be high quality and effective; but also fairly priced! |
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| kodiak - 2/23/2012 10:59 AM
I bought some direct cause it looked like a #*^@ cool bait,,,i run all the rubber baits but what i have the most of is the mi mag dawgs....they all hold up pretty good but for the cost for performance they cant be beat. and again i am not in cahoots with guide dog one bit. i use them all, mi, chaos, gd, red oct and i am really wanting to try the hellkats....
The hellkats are sweet, they sink pretty slow. The nice thing about them is the harness is very tunable, you can use it as a topwater or pull it deeper by bending it downwards instead of up. First day using one I lost a piggy, ever since then they have become one of my favorites. |
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| You know, I don’t frequent the boards much but I’m pretty sure there’s a policy in place about product promotion. Someone alerted me that there was a thread about us so I figured I’d check it out and answer any questions or comments that came up, hopefully without running afoul of the no promotion policy.
Someone mentioned that our twin tail lure looks like a remake of the Bucher Fluttertail. That’s exactly what it is. Bucher stopped making them in 2010, maybe 2009 and the lure design has sat dormant since then. In October of 2010 we agreed to acquire the license to it as long as we could make any changes to it that we wanted, short of cutting new molds. The manufacturer agreed and we’ve been redesigning and tweaking it ever since. Its new name is the Call Girl and we just received the first small run of 1000 in an initial 9 colors. If it’s successful we’ll expand it up to 15, maybe 20 colors on the next run.
One other comment I’d like to address is the “knock-off mag dawg” observation someone made. I don’t fault the poster one bit because to some, sure, it’s a knock off, as much as any other Dawg like lure is by any other company. It’s our Tail Chaser lure and it does have a similar shape as a dawg, no denying that. That’s where the similarities end though, it’s 50% heavier than a mag, it’s weighted differently to give it a completely different action, it has different guts, eyes, head shape, etc. The similar body style might make it a knock off in some eyes, I don’t know, but one thing that it's not is a simple duplicate lure.
And thanks a lot to the original poster Kodiak for using the 85 Camaro reference. That's the year they came out with the IROC-Z. Dude, that's gonna be impossible to live up to!
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| baits looks good..wish it was bigger though I would buy a couple then.
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | I used the Tailchasers alot last season with good results, very durable and what I like best is they get down deep...Im sure I'll add a few of these Call Girls to the box for this season..... |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | Lookin' good! |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | The bait is lookin good I like it...!
I guess the biggest question now is, when I burn it will it run true and not spin? If so... where do I get one...or three? |
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| esox4130 - 2/23/2012 5:35 PM
baits looks good..wish it was bigger though I would buy a couple then.
Yeah, we might have to make a larger version of it. With the redesigning that we did we wound up adding about an ounce and a half to them, they now weigh 5.5 ounces. Going from memory the old Bucher Fluttertail was just shy of 4. We're marketing/advertising them as 10" long just because that's the measurable length of them in the package. They're actually closer to 12" at rest and about 14" in the water with the tails extended. |
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Location: Grand Rapids MN | FAT-SKI - 2/23/2012 6:27 PM
I guess the biggest question now is, when I burn it will it run true and not spin?
That's one of my biggest issue with a few brands of rubber baits is when I do sweeps or pulls the dang things roll over. A straight retrieve was also out of the question as they laid on their backs. Spent more time twisting the harness and adding weights that I just don't give them any time anymore. |
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| been using Guide Dogs(Grunt Dogs) from the time they came out.. very good baits.. |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | Targa01 -
If you are looking for a good swim bait don't give up quite yet. Look at the Bigwoodsmuskylures.com, look under the swin baits section and find shadzilla. They are strong baits and trust me they run true!!! I can burn as fast as a rocket ship and those things stay upright the whole time! a buddy of mine and I got one each and brought them out last year. Third cast of the day my buddy was burning that thing right over a flat and a 54' just smoked the bait. We boated 3 that day all on the zillas.
Great swim bait, I could throw those all day. And it is generally new to the muskie world.
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Location: Manitowish Waters WI | I've bought multiple guided dog baits from eBay and couldn't be happier, great lure. Mine have held up through multiple fish. |
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| FAT-SKI - 2/23/2012 6:27 PM
I guess the biggest question now is, when I burn it will it run true and not spin? If so... where do I get one...or three?
Man, I hope so. If not I'll be the biggest horses azz that's hit the muskie lure market in a long time. Seriously though, here's what I can tell you. All of the final prototypes ran true at various depths and speeds. That was last summer and there were only 10 of them.
When we got the finished product in (late December) my partner and I took 50 of them out for sampling. We went down to the breakwaters on Lake Michigan to test them, everything else was frozen over. Out of the 50, we had one that was bad and I do mean bad. I think it was on its side before it hit the water and on the retrieve it spun and flopped like a 2 week dead baitfish, it was ugly. Aside from that one though there was only one other that wanted to list a bit to one side and we were able to tune that one with some simple harness manipulation. When we inspected the one that was truly bad it was an obvious mispour. The harness wasn't seated right when the plastic was poured it formed around it at a pretty severe angle from front to back.
Hopefully that's the only one like it in the entire batch but being realistic, there's probably a few more, it's unavoidable. If there's one thing that we pride ourselves on though it's customer service. No one should shell out good money for a pile of crap and if anyone winds up with one of the few possible dogs of the batch it'll be replaced immediately, entirely at our cost.
Hope that answers your question Fat-Ski. |
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| kodiak - 2/23/2012 8:00 AM
i recieved one of these in the mail...it is a redo of the older twin tail....new harness, new rubber, new colors, new design is 10" long...has about as much in common with the old one as a 1985 camaro to a 2012 zr1 camaro....just saying,,,,i cant wait to try it!
ZL1 camaro. Zr1 is a vette  |
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Location: Okoboji | greenstealth - 2/24/2012 12:15 AM
kodiak - 2/23/2012 8:00 AM
i recieved one of these in the mail...it is a redo of the older twin tail....new harness, new rubber, new colors, new design is 10" long...has about as much in common with the old one as a 1985 camaro to a 2012 zr1 camaro....just saying,,,,i cant wait to try it!
ZL1 camaro. Zr1 is a vette ; )
#*^@ how did i mess that up!! |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | FAT-SKI - 2/23/2012 7:18 PM Targa01 - If you are looking for a good swim bait don't give up quite yet. Look at the Bigwoodsmuskylures.com, look under the swin baits section and find shadzilla. They are strong baits and trust me they run true!!! I can burn as fast as a rocket ship and those things stay upright the whole time! a buddy of mine and I got one each and brought them out last year. Third cast of the day my buddy was burning that thing right over a flat and a 54' just smoked the bait. We boated 3 that day all on the zillas. Great swim bait, I could throw those all day. And it is generally new to the muskie world. +1 to the Shadzilla from Big Wood Musky Lures. I've got a couple of these. Awesome action and they run true. I do plan on hitting up eBay this evening when I get home from work and checking out the baits from Guide Dog Tackle! |
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| FAT-SKI and PSYS thanks for the props on the Shadzilla!
This bait has been somewhat under the radar for awhile, but no more. I have heard so many stories just like yours about this bait, there is no way it can remain much of a secret anymore. It's true that the Shadzilla runs true at high speeds and it can be a key triggering factor. Here is what one of the many guides who use it said last spring about this bait:
http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/blogs/121159718.html
There is also big news regarding Shadzilla's. In about a week and a half, Big Wood will have the new Shadzilla Jr.'s! Same great hollow tube action in a 7" size that can be fished with a treble under the head or with a single hook up top making it virtually weedless.
Also, New for 2012 is the Magnum Shadzilla, that will also be added to the Big Wood Line up very soon! like the Original, the Jr. and The Magnum will offer replacement bodies so you can keep the harness and just replace the body, usually after multiple fish. Big Wood Musky Lures has been and will continue to be the exclusive U.S. retailer of these fine baits!
Here is a sneak peak at one of the new Magnums.
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Location: Okoboji | i was going to try to get out today and go down to the duck pond and test one out but #*^@ it got cold and windy after work!! |
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| I just received a few baits from Guide Dog Tackle - the new and improved Call Girl as well as a few of their Tail Chasers. I could not be happier with their products. Eric is one heck of a businessman. I was extremely impressed with his communication and customer service.
The Call Girl looks and feels incredible. The patterns available are fantastic and the price is right! Also, they use top-notch components including razor sharp VMC hooks, which mean they are ready to go right out of the box (no need to mess around with changing/upgrading components).
Thanks for the wonderful service. I cannot wait to get these baits in the water.
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | I also recieved a couple from Guide Dog Tackle. I am super excited to get the baits in the water. I am actually really excited to use their tail chaser lures as they have some significant differences from the Bull Dawgs. I can't wait to see how the action is.
Eric is a SUPER nice guy!! And like said above a hell of a business man! I can't wait to scream these things through the water.
Great Work Eric and Team! Were all excited to see how many teeth it takes to get to the center of a call girl! |
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Location: 31 | I'm interested in trolling big rubber with double 10’s or 12’s, and it sounds like the Shadzilla might be the ticket. To clarify... there would just be a split ring between the Shadzilla and the double blades/spinner body.
Any other big rubber candidates I should be considering? This is something new I'll be trying this summer for the first time, so any thoughts or experience would be appreciated. |
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Location: WI | Where are you guys getting these from? Went to there website and it was pretty bad not much for pics no prices....Also looked on ebay and he doesn't have any listed right now. Would like to see a color chart and some prices look like a good bait to try out.
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Location: Rhinelander,WI | would like to get my hands on a few but the web site wont let you do anything. Any advice. |
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| I believe this is the problem...
From the "Muskie Expo" thread under the General Discussion section:
kyle@bigwoodmuskylur - "The big question that I keep getting emails about is if we will have the new Magnum 12" Shadzilla at the show. I'm about 95% sure at this point that at least a limited supply of these will make their way to the MN Expo! These baits will not be available on our website or anywhere else for that matter, for a few more months."
Here's the link, http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=72... |
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Location: WI | I don't think that's the problem Kyle is talking about the mag shadzillias in that post not the Call Girl by Guide Dog Tackle. I'm looking for the bait form Guide Dog. |
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| My fault. I thought everyone was talking about the Shadzillas. |
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Location: Okoboji | here is the email where i requested mine [email protected] |
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Location: Janesville wi | Interesting what people call swimbaits. |
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Location: Okoboji | well what would you call it...?????? a lot of online retailers put these type of baits with swimming action under swimbaits... |
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| I wouldn't think of it as a swimbait per se, but I couldn't think of anything better to call it. There's definitely a grey area when classifying plastics. I wouldn't consider a Bull Dawg to be a swimbait, but lots of people do. |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | catchandrelease - 3/12/2012 1:05 PM
I wouldn't think of it as a swimbait per se, but I couldn't think of anything better to call it. There's definitely a grey area when classifying plastics. I wouldn't consider a Bull Dawg to be a swimbait, but lots of people do.
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Ya know, I would consider a bull dawg a jerk bait for sure based on the way that most of us fish them... but strangely enough, the majority of fish that I have caught on them, is while using them in a swim bait fashion. Usually moving pretty slow in the spring and fall... not my favortie summer bait, unless it is night!
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Location: Okoboji | a big part of these baits swim right??? the tails....swimming action |
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Location: 31 | I'm interested in trolling one of these rubber "swimbaits"  in-place of the skirt with double 10/12/13s. Anyone else doing this, or know of a bait that wouldn't constantly spin at 3-4 MPH?
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | ^^^^I know for a fact that the shadzillas run true, man you can fly those things through the water. |
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Location: Okoboji | Jerry Newman - 3/12/2012 1:17 PM
I'm interested in trolling one of these rubber "swimbaits" in-place of the skirt with double 10/12/13s. Anyone else doing this, or know of a bait that wouldn't constantly spin at 3-4 MPH?
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Location: Janesville wi | I'd call it a hunk of rubber with a couple of tails. It's closer to twin tail grub than a swimbait. It's not shaped like a fish and them curly tails don't move like a fish. I'm not bashing the bait either it probably will catch fish like other similiar baits.
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| skiman - 3/11/2012 6:40 PM
would like to get my hands on a few but the web site wont let you do anything. Any advice.
What's wrong with our website? I'm pretty proud of it! Actually, what you guys are seeing is something that my partner Steve tried to design. He got it in his head that he was a web designer and after months of hard work, that site is the fruit of his labor. If anyone would like to compliment him on his obvious talent (or hire him for your own site design) you can email him at [email protected].
Our actual site is almost done, we're going to be testing it this Wednesday night and assuming all goes well and there's not much tweaking to be done, it'll be live in a few weeks tops. Same address as the mess of a site that's there now, the new one will simply replace the high quality one that exists now.
In the meantime anyone that wants to discuss our stuff can p/m me here or email me at the address shown in a post by Kodiak near the top of page 2. I'd post it again myself but I don't want this post to be viewed as "product promotion", that's really not my intent. And PLEASE feel free to email my partner too, he still thinks his original site design is pretty good!
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| I trolled the prototype of the new Magnum Shadzilla last season at 5 mph with no hint of turning over at all. |
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Location: Okoboji | kyle@bigwoodmuskylur - 3/12/2012 8:21 PM
I trolled the prototype of the new Magnum Shadzilla last season at 5 mph with no hint of turning over at all.
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| Here is some underwater footage of the new 12" Magnum Shadzilla including some live action fish being caught.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21FzHhf5jD0&context=C4a410e9ADvjVQa1...
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