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Location: Eagle Lake Vermilion Bay, Ontario | Myself as well as other stakeholders of the Tourism Industry have just finished a Conference Call that was hosted by the Federal Minister of Citizenship & Immigration (the Hounourable Jason Kenney), as well as our local MP, Greg Rickford.
A policy announcement was made advising that effective March 01, 2012 a Special Public Policy will be put in place which will allow for a CBSA officer to grant a Temporary Resident Permit (TRP), to those individuals who have had only one minor conviction, where the sentence was less than 6 months in length. There will be no fee for this TRP, and the issuance of the TRP will be at the discretion of the CBSA official. However, it is understood that this special public policy should significantly reduce the number of inadmissible visitors to our country.
It was explained that the intent of the present Inadmissibility Policy was never to keep out people of good faith who have had only one minor conviction, and aren’t seen as a security or criminality threat. Government policy and law is not easy to change, and this was acknowledged as an interim solution. The government of the day will continue to work towards a longer term solution and we should all be thanking our MP Greg Rickford for his contribution in having this issue addressed, through his tireless efforts.
It should be noted that the Government does not want this Special Public Policy to be perceived that criminal acts are condoned in Canada, nor seen as a change indicating an open door policy to allow all criminals into Canada - but rather as an interim solution for allowing those individuals into Canada that do not present a security nor criminality threat to our country, and who simply made a one time error in judgement and now want to enjoy everything that our great country has to offer.
Hopefully this is a step in the right direction, and an official document is to be released next week providing further clarification on the above. We will keep you advised as further details become available.
Thanks, MIke
Mike Loewen
Patricia Regional Tourist Council
Tel. - (807) 223-6792
Fax - (807) 223-2465
[email protected]
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| Does this mean a person who had dui 15 years ago with nothing else on there record can cross the boarder and not get turned down and spoil everyones trip? After that happened we have never considered going to canada again. But if this is the case it could change a lot of peoples minds. I personally know 30 plus people that no longer go up north because we can't all go in our groups. we are all over 50 yrs old and some real hard as-es, not. Hey slow down and let me catchup guys I just had a hip replacement. Yup we are sure a threat to you canadians eh! |
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Location: Eagan, MN | You never know how somebody is going to react to good news. |
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| Andy Myers Lodge - 2/13/2012 11:41 AM
will allow for a CBSA officer to grant a Temporary Resident Permit (TRP), to those individuals who have had only one minor conviction, where the sentence was less than 6 months in length. the issuance of the TRP will be at the discretion of the CBSA official.
Please note the highlighted passages. This is still not a sure thing. You think the one guy at Rainy River is going to use his discretion to issue a TRP for free? hehehe Fat chance with that guy. I bet he still gets his $200 Immigration Violation fines.
If so, it sucks for my buddy that just last year spent like $400 getting his rehabilitation status finished!
Edited by Shep 2/13/2012 3:21 PM
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Location: Nordeast Minneapolis | Good luck with your efforts... I can only imagine the uphill battle you must be facing. I'm guessing politicians are stuck either being perceived as letting criminals run rampant through Canada, or as keeping untold thousands of tourism dollars out for people who simply made a mistake.
Best of luck in your continued efforts; I hope this bit of good news is a sign of more to come. |
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| Oh great now that all the bad guys can get in to canada, I don't think I will get a good nights sleep while I am there |
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Location: Lake of the Woods, Morson, Ontario | Here is a link to some of the first public comments from government regarding the upcoming changes.
It's been the most difficult issues facing many of us in the industry.
We look forward to sharing more official information when it becomes available.
http://www.kenoradailyminerandnews.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=346834... |
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Location: Duluth, MN | So when is this official and where can you find out the steps that need to be taken to get in? I hope to plan a trip for the musky opener if this is the real deal.
Anyone got anymore info?
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| I think the real issue that Canadian resorts are fighting is a soft economy paired with some key muskie fisheries in the U.S. that have been booming the last 7-8 years and are easier to get to: a shorter drive plus no border issues. I know a fair number of people who are taking vacations to fish St. Clair this year instead of Minnesota, the same people had been fishing Minnesota instead of Canada.
So this is good news for someone with a one-time DUI who really really really wants to go to Canada fishing muskies. Of course, there's not enough of those people to make a huge difference.
Maybe in the walleye fishing segment it will matter more? I've heard Herbeck talking about the importance of getting more families and walleye fishermen to stay at AML because muskie fishermen just aren't enough.
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| Thats great news. hopefully the u.s. will see this and extend the same courtesys to canadians entering the u.s.
Edited by woodieb8 2/14/2012 8:53 AM
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| I wonder what they mean by "minor conviction"? First time DWI's might not be considered a "minor" offense to them, especially if it was anything other than a mismedeanor level DWI. They should really come up with a list to take all the guess work out of this stuff. |
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Location: Duluth, MN | Agreed! I wanna plan a trip but won't do so until I know for sure.
I did read that as long as jail time was less than 6 months its considered minor. So that would encompass misdemeanor DWI charges ... |
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| Right, but they might apply their sentences for the equivalent crime in Canada. Canada treats certain crimes a lot more seriously than most of the states. |
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Location: Duluth, MN | Good point. |
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| They also take into consideration suspended jail sentences so even if you have never been in jail they will count that as jail time you were sentenced for. |
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Location: Duluth, MN | Also a good point, jail time for a misdemeanor DWI is 90 days so...
I'm gonna send some emails and make some calls, ill keep you guys posted. |
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Location: Lake of the Woods, Morson, Ontario | We should be getting more info very soon as this is supposed to take effect March 1.
I cannot imagine it not helping with DUI's as this was the single biggest criminality issue that came into play since the borders tightened up.
Im sure most resort operators will be very quick to provide info as soon as we get it. We certainly want to help eligible potential guests that want to come visit Canada get here with as few hassles as possible.
Stay tuned, everyone. |
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Location: Duluth, MN | MyliesPlace(Justin) - 2/14/2012 4:29 PM
We should be getting more info very soon as this is supposed to take effect March 1.
I cannot imagine it not helping with DUI's as this was the single biggest criminality issue that came into play since the borders tightened up.
Im sure most resort operators will be very quick to provide info as soon as we get it. We certainly want to help eligible potential guests that want to come visit Canada get here with as few hassles as possible.
Stay tuned, everyone.
Count me in for 3 trips a year if this is the case! Its been too long... |
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| So I am going to Canada for the first time with friends and got a DUI back in 1988 I was told it would be no problem crossing as long as it was not with in 10 years is this right? |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Canadian have the SAME issues crossing into the USA! Sometimes we have to deal with US Customs AND then an Immigration checkpoint! |
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Location: Duluth, MN | hawk - 2/14/2012 5:39 PM
So I am going to Canada for the first time with friends and got a DUI back in 1988 I was told it would be no problem crossing as long as it was not with in 10 years is this right?
When I did all the research after I got mine I was told:
1 DUI your good after 5, but you'll have to pay a fee for criminal rehabilitation. After 10 yrs your good to go, no fee.
2 DUI'S is inadmissible until 10 yrs has passed. Fee applies.
3 DUI'S, Dont even bother.
Also it should be noted that these time periods begin at the end of all jail time, probations, and fines paid, not the date of offense!
All dcicidions are ultimately up to the border crossing agent.
Edited by bdog 2/14/2012 6:38 PM
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| Thanks. Bdog |
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Location: Lake of the Woods, Morson, Ontario | bdog - 2/14/2012 4:57 PM
Count me in for 3 trips a year if this is the case! Its been too long...
Better make it 4, Bdog. Sounds like you have some catching up to do. 
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Location: Duluth, MN | MyliesPlace (Justin ) - 2/14/2012 8:14 PM
bdog - 2/14/2012 4:57 PM
Count me in for 3 trips a year if this is the case! Its been too long...
Better make it 4, Bdog. Sounds like you have some catching up to do.
Where do I sign up?  |
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Location: Duluth, MN | Too many reasons to list!
Personally I think they have the upper hand in the beer department. |
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| Its f*cking near water!
Sort of like Canadian whiskey.
Eh?
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| I'll take Wild Turkey or Jim Beam anyday ..... |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Yup, nothin like good ole Amarican Whisky! |
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Location: Milwaukee, WI | troller - 2/15/2012 8:13 PM
I'll take Wild Turkey or Jim Beam anyday .....
Good god man! That's just nasty! Me? I trust the Irish when it comes to whiskey. Powers, Jameson, Red Breast, etc...
Anyway, back on topic - this is great news. I have a few friends who will be excited to hear this! |
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Location: Bemidji/Cass Lake | Personally I think you would see a noticeable jump in tourism dollars to enter Canadian resorts. There's a lot of groups out there that would take part in trips but do not because of DUI in the party. I've always thought a decent compromise would be to not allow the offender to drive or allow entrance of a vehicle owned by the offender, should either happen a stiff penalty could be at risk. That way the group can have it's fun and excitement and Canada can regain higher levels of U.S tourist income, as this is the only reason that this current proposal would even be on the table. |
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| Any news on this? |
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| http://www.fftimes.com/node/249576
According to this it's a one time admission unless your already in the system. Maybe I'm reading it wrong but... |
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Location: On the Niagara River in Buffalo, NY | A little late for me. After $200 for application for Reabilitation,Police Reports from everywhere I lived since birth,FBI report,Texas figerprint report,Odesa Texas Police Report(fly to Odessa Texas to get) and supporting letters from friends,over $3000 and two years later I got cleared to enter Canada. All from a DUI's from Texas & Florida that were in 1972 and were basic trafic tickets then. Every time I cross the border into Canada I get sent to Imigration for a computer check to see if I have been charged of anything new. |
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| What nobody seems to talk about is in order to qualify for a TRP you must have a legitimate reason for going to canada which is left up to the customs agent discretion. I live at the border and go through dailey. The last customs agent at South Junction north of Roseau where I cross said a fishing trip for the weekend doesn't qualify as a reason to get a TRP. I recomend if you are going to get a Temporary Permit you know who your dealing with and find out if you qualify before your plans get ruined. |
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| What the law states is a border agent may allow you a TRP with a COMPELLING reason which could be your far from home, a professional fisherman, with a big group of people, you have made the trip many times with out any criminal activity in Canada. Basically if you get the guy in a good mood and are nice and a good sales man you will probably get in. |
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Location: Northwest Wi. | They lost me when they came up with this DUI stuff,,(I dont have one). Just another way to get more bucks out of Americans. LOTS of great places to fish here!! |
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| I called Fort Frances 807-274-3655 and while they were very nice it was clear that although the policy has changed there are no guarantees that you will be allowed in. I would suggest the person with the DUI call and talk to them. There is still the TRP paperwork that must be completed and that could take a couple hours so need to plan for that. |
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| sadly this issue applies to both borders. whatsw orse its been pushed forward since 9-11. for the life of me osama never musky fished, and he has been twice removed.
time for u.s. and can. borders to evaluate the damages from near closing their borders. guys just want to enjoy the outdoors. |
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good news,changes in laws regarding criminal records and admissablity into canada