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| i read an artical in muskyhunter about how much line to put on a reel.Gregg thomas talk about only needing 75 yards of line and to use mono for backing .well how do you know roughly of course on when to stop the mono and start the super line? |
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| You can make it a two step process. First, put on the desired amount of braid. Then tie on mono and fill it up. Now, take off all of the line and retie the mono on first and you will have the braid on the outside. Write down how much it takes so you know the next time or for the next reel and you can do it in one step. |
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| Here's what I did:
1. Measure off 50 yd of braid. (I tied off to a tree in my yard and used a surveyors tape)
2. Reel braid onto reel
3. Tie on mono to braid
4. Fill spool the rest of the way with mono
5. Tie mono to another reel
6. Reel all line onto other reel
It's a PITA doing it the first time, but the end result is all your reels have 50 yds of braid before you hit the backing. After that, changing line is simple. If you ever get to where you're casting all the way down to your backing, just pull off about 20 feet of mono and tie off from there. IMO, there's no reason to fill the spool up with braid when all you use is a cast length. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | esoxaddict - 1/31/2012 10:41 PM
Here's what I did:
1. Measure off 50 yd of braid. (I tied off to a tree in my yard and used a surveyors tape)
You must not cast very far. I can easily cast 150 ft. I fill the reel with braid. The more times you cut it, the more you waste. If you average 75' cast and you fish a lot of rock where you cut 5-10' of line off a day, you have to replace line after a week's worth of fishing. If you fill the entire spool, minus about 30' for mono backing, you can take the braid off and put more mono underneath when the spool diameter gets too low. |
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| Or you can just wrap electrical tape around the spool and load all braid and skip mono all together. |
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| jackson - 2/1/2012 8:55 PM
Or you can just wrap electrical tape around the spool and load all braid and skip mono all together.
And pay for line you never use.
If you wan't to keep the same line pickup per wind you need to have a full spool. |
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| If you know how many inches of line your reel will pick up each pass back and forth (levelwind), you could put on your mono backing first and then just count the number of passes after you do the math to figure out how much you want to put on. I would imagine you'd also want to leave yourself some extra on there for cutoffs, etc. |
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| Sure, you CAN cast 150 feet. But short of seeing how far you can throw a jackpot just for fun, do you ever really fish that far away from anything? |
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| Fill your reel up with braid and reverse it e/o year. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | esoxaddict - 2/1/2012 4:48 PM
Sure, you CAN cast 150 feet. But short of seeing how far you can throw a jackpot just for fun, do you ever really fish that far away from anything?
You must not cast crankbaits at structure very often. Edges, points, islands, etc. I cast this far every outing. I do not have a casting contest with myself, but 150 ft is definitely not struggling that's for sure. |
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| MuskieSwede - 2/1/2012 3:50 PM
jackson - 2/1/2012 8:55 PM
Or you can just wrap electrical tape around the spool and load all braid and skip mono all together.
And pay for line you never use.
If you wan't to keep the same line pickup per wind you need to have a full spool.
you mean the entire $2 worth of line ? big deal. If you can't afford a to spool with braid then you probably can't afford the lures you buy. Its probably the cheapest item in musky fishing is the braid comparitively. |
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| I done away with mono backers for two reasons...
1. sure braid is expensive, but all it would take is a $20 spool of braid to never have to worry about a big muskie hitting your lure when it touches the water and running with it, if I lost one skie because my mono backer broke, not worth it, also I lost a favorite lure because it was hung up at the start of reeling and because of the high winds, by the time we got the boat fired up the mono backer was coming out and it broke, this not only lost my lure and leader, but caused a hazard in the water for fish and other anglers
2. by spooling to the bottom with braid, you are not wasting the braid on the bottom, when you use your braid until it is getting rough, tie the end of the line to another reel and reel it on, what this did was put the bottom unused line to your line you are losing and the crappy braid is now your backer, this gives you two times use from one $20 spool of braid, and any quality 80lb braid that is worn out is tougher than any mono backer I have seen people use, also like one guy said, if you're on the water and have to cut some line off because it's knicked up, no worries, I always cut my leader off and at least retie it after catching a fish, usually I will cut 20 ft off and then retie, a big muskie will put alot of stress on a knot |
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| RyanJoz - 2/1/2012 7:27 AM
esoxaddict - 1/31/2012 10:41 PM
Here's what I did:
1. Measure off 50 yd of braid. (I tied off to a tree in my yard and used a surveyors tape)
You must not cast very far. I can easily cast 150 ft. I fill the reel with braid. The more times you cut it, the more you waste. If you average 75' cast and you fish a lot of rock where you cut 5-10' of line off a day, you have to replace line after a week's worth of fishing. If you fill the entire spool, minus about 30' for mono backing, you can take the braid off and put more mono underneath when the spool diameter gets too low.
easily?
i would like to see you casting like that for 8 hours!
i can make 100 ft cast with line counter,pretty useless and lots of energy loss for nothing.
did you make the test with a lc or its just a simple guess? |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | depoms2003 - 2/9/2012 9:01 PM
easily?
i would like to see you casting like that for 8 hours!
i can make 100 ft cast with line counter,pretty useless and lots of energy loss for nothing.
did you make the test with a lc or its just a simple guess?
Maybe like a few more people on here that are quick to pass judgement without knowing credentials, you should know who you are talking to in order to better provide useful comments. I do cast at this extent for over 8 hours as my average day on the lake is about 13.5 hours. If you are not able to do this, maybe you are not at the same level of physical fitness that I am. I used to work as a land surveyor where we had to measure distances regularly. I took some fishing gear to our office one day to see just how far I could cast. Long cast was over 200'.
What did you add about how much braid to install on a reel or why to only use 100 ft of line? It is ridiculous to ridicule someone when you simply respond as a guest.
Before you question someone, you should know what they do or have done for a living. Just saying. Laser equipment and gps are not "simple guesses". Over $100,000 worth of equipment was used to calculate the casting distances by the way. The equipment was accurate to 0.001 of a ft as well, but that is not necessary for this simple drill. All survey equipment was Trimble if that means anything to you or another surveyor out there. |
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| wow no kidding
my hero  |
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| I gave up on backing too for a while, until I watched a whale eat a foot-long lure less than 20' from the boat, then I set the hook like a madman and managed to bury the line along the edge of the spool all the way to the bottom and sat there helplessly as the fish thrashed wildly and I couldn't take line in or let line out. Tried to fight her by hand for a while to no avail. Now I buy 100 yard spools of black braid and wind it on tight and then fill from there. I bought 1000 yds of 65# and 1000 yrds of 80#, change my knots 3-5 times a day, sometimes more and when I feel like it, I respool. Line is the first place to not scrimp. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | To each there own on if you use mono or all braid, but if you use all braid and use tape, I have seen 3 times this summer on customer reels that did that and the line slipped on the spool. I always use 20lb/30lb mono as backing because it will not slip on the spool, I fill my reels with around 100 yds of braid with mono backing, will use till it gets low and refill with new 100yds of braid.
depoms2003 ???? or did you mean depends ????? because you must be very old not to be able to cast 100' plus casts for 12 hours in a day LOL LOL LOL When I'm open water fishing I will cast easy 150' plus casts for 12-15 hours in a day with the right reel and rod it is no problem. |
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Location: Maine Township, MN | guest - 2/2/2012 6:38 AM
Fill your reel up with braid and reverse it e/o year.
Thanks! I'll be doing this from now on. |
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Location: Smith Creek | I've been asked to fix a lot of reels that the owners claimed the drag wasn't working. Me: did you use backing?
them: backing? what for? Me: I think I can "fix" your drag.
respool with 20 to 40 feet of mono backing and voila, the drag works. |
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Location: Minnesota | I bought a huge spool of 2 lb mono on clearance from a big box store and use that for backing on my reels. I have been musky fishing for over 20 years and have never been in a situation where I needed more than 100 yards of line on a reel. I tie my braid directly to the spool, not the backing.
Reels cast and retrieve more efficiently when they are fully spooled. You will want to respool after you cut enough line off so that the reel isn't full anymore. For me that is probably about 75 - 100 feet of line that is missing. If I would use a full spool of braid on some of my reels I would have 200 yards of line or so on a reel to fill it completely. |
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| brmusky - 2/10/2012 11:59 AM
I bought a huge spool of 2 lb mono on clearance from a big box store and use that for backing on my reels. I have been musky fishing for over 20 years and have never been in a situation where I needed more than 100 yards of line on a reel. I tie my braid directly to the spool, not the backing.
This sort of backing I could see being a reasonable choice, because even if you get to the bottom of the braid, it's tied to the spool so you have no worries of the mono breaking. As far as the 50 yards or 75 yards of braid, the reason I don't like that idea is that if you cast out a top water say 125 feet on a good setup, and the muskie hits just as you're starting to reel, he could take out alot of line really fast before you get that reel to engage. At this point you are floating on thin ice, because if you have cut any line off of the braid for whatever reason, you're at the end of the rope. Everyone has a personal preference and one thing might work better for one person than another. I personally haven't had an issue with the braid slipping on the spool. Once you tie your line on and start reeling, the knot is nearly immediately covered and as long as you are winding the line on tight enough, it won't slip, and your line shouldn't dig in unless you throw alot of lightweight stuff with low resistance. At that point I notice that the line is getting looser on the spool I will put something heavy with alot of drag on and make a bomb cast to get it tight again. To spool your line tight, I highly recommend a line spooling station. I picked one up at Gander Mountain just a cheap one for $30, but you can tighten the spool of line to the point that it's hard to reel, allowing you to "pack" the line on there where it can't dig in. As for the big battle with the 100 ft cast......if you have the right rod and reel, spool tension set for someone that is used to a baitcaster, and a descent weight lure, 100 ft is nothing. You have to break that down and realize that 100 ft is only a 33 1/3 yards. I shoot 2 inch circles from that far with my bow! I believe the guy cast 200 ft because my friend and I were messing around on webster one day just seeing how far we could cast and we were casting out right at half of our spools with a DD. I know my spool holds 150 yards of braid, so that is roughly 225 ft, sounds unreasonable, but then again you have to realize that the distance is still only 75 yards, high school quarterbacks can throw a football that far, so it's not unreasonable. Is this something reasonable when fishing? In our case, no, we were messing around, but it would all depend on where you fish and how deep you are trying to make that bait dive. A crank takes a little while to get deep and then comes back up towards the end of the cast, so if you are trying to work a deep point or whatever, you might need to bomb cast to keep the bait where you need it for the amount of time that you need it there. |
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