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Location: Northwest Wisconsin | I am going to start looking for a new to me truck. I was thinking of either a dodge ram or a chevy silverado 1/2 tons. I'm thinking of 2005 to 2007. Anyone have experience with either? I've had a dodge with the 4.7L engine and it was worthless. I was also thinking about a Toyota Tundra, but they cost more money. Any advise or experiences would be appreciated. Thanks |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | just a thought if you are remotely considering a diesel. the '04-'06 dodge 6.0 liter diesels from Ford were a huge pain so they are able to be bought cheap. there are people who really know how to make them work well (i found this out finally) ... so, you should be able to buy one below the market and then have someone (pm me if you want a recommendation) do a job on it so that it won't cause you pain.
mine was awful and because i drive so many miles i found the trouble first ... had nothing but trouble til i found the guys who know how to fix it. now at 235,000 miles it's running better than it ever did. the last 35k miles have been the best, just wish i'd have found these guys earlier in my own ownership. |
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Location: S.Wisconsin | I run a 2007 silverado with the 5.3 and i have been happy with it. the ride is ok and i will get 13-14mpg pulling my esox mag. Normal driving is mostly all city and its about 14mpg, will get about 18 on the hwy without the boat. Plenty of power to pull and stops much better than my old liberty. |
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| I've been a Chevy guy (with the 5.3), but there are many nice rides out there.
My 2000 Chevy Silverado was a great tow vehicle, it was still going strong at 166,000 miles when I sold it. It used no oil. I will admit though I did need to drop a transmission in it at about 145,000. But that was just about the only thing I did to the truck since new. |
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Location: The desert | Get a Tundra.
I like the Dodge trucks but hear far too many horror stories about transmissions, so I'll never buy one. |
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| I have a 2007 Tundra that has more than enough power to pull a 4,500 lb boat/motor/trailer combo. I will get about 11-13 miles per gallon. Reliable truck. Check out www.lenzauto.com. Lenz Trucks is located in Fond du Lac but they have a great selection. Be aware the advertised price is the sale price. They usually give a good trade in price. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I've got a 2006 Chevy 1/2 ton Crew and couldn't be happier. I use to work for a dealership for a number of years, drove every kind of vehicle out there. The Tundra has great power no doubt, but it's got a 5.7 versus a 5.3 in the Chevy, of course it's going to have more power. That is the only major advantage of the Tundra imo. The Chevy on the other hand by far, hands down has the best ride, no questions asked, driven thousands of miles in each of the big 4, the Chevy takes it in this category for sure.
Either way you go, you'll be happy. I'd agree, stay away from the Rams, you don't see many with real high mileage.
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Location: Davenport, IA | Pointerpride102 - 1/31/2012 4:53 PM
Get a Tundra.
I like the Dodge trucks but hear far too many horror stories about transmissions, so I'll never buy one.
Are people still not over this? That was 1994-1998. For what its worth, my 2005 Hemi Durango has 88,000 miles and has had 1 repair (a/c line) and new brake pads. The hemi w/ 3.55 gears is no speed demon, but has a lot of torque to pull. Its great with my boat and I used it to pull a loaded car trailer through the mountain in Colorado and never noticed a drop of power. Gas mileage is 14 city and 17 highway. Towing the boat gets about 13 and car trailer was 10. New Durago doesn't have quite the towing capacity being unibody, but it'll be plenty for a boat and I'll have once I get this one paid off. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | edit above ... typed dodge ... meant ford
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Location: Not far enough north! | I've got a 08 3/4 ton chevy with the 6.0 L Gas. I get 13mpg pulling 10K lbs of cattle and 14-15 not pulling anything. That engine is a horse. Not quite the power of the diesels but the allison tranny is pretty dam good. My hunting buddy is a dodge guy and his diesel is sweet but he had to pay for it. My wife drives an F150 for a work vehicle and I do have to say the new ford half tons are the nicest trucks I have ever driven. Ford really stepped it up on the interiors of their trucks and with the 5.4L will pull any boat for muskies that you want.
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Location: Northwest Wisconsin | Thanks for the responses. I don't have good luck with american vehicles. I had a Dodge Ram that I should have driven off a cliff. I currently have a Ford Expedition that is nothing but problems also. We have 2 Honda Accords, one with 330000 miles on it and a new one we hope to get that many out of. That's why I am considering a Tundra. Thanks again for al the responses |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I have a '95 F150 Ice and Hunting truck (rust bucket, but mechanically sound, lots of bedliner and bondo every Spring) and a 98 F150 work truck, both good vehicles with weak and strong points.
I drove a Toyota Tundra for a couple years and liked it so much my son bought it from me last year. By the way, the Tundra was made in Texas. Great power, great ride, and
incredible brakes. Decent mileage. Way better in the summer than winter, but that's the case with the Fords, too.
I'd like to try a new diesel. If I do, it will be a Ford. |
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| i drive and love a toyota tacoma, but im also auto tech for dodge /chrysler and jeep for about 20 years .if you need to know something about them let me know. |
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Location: Northwest Wisconsin | Muskiehunter2,
How is the reliability of the Rams with the hemi engine? Thanks for any info. |
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Location: Chesterton, Indiana | I have a 2006 ford F150 lariet 4x4 with 138000 miles with no problems. This has been a good truck for me. Only had one tune up other then that changed the brakes and tires. |
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| the hemi has been a good engine,no major issues.not the best for gas milage but over a few years has improved.most problems are caused by lack of maintance or poor repair work.had a few between cars and trucks with a broken vale spring causing rough idle and mis fires but that issue has been resolved.most concerns now are software issue that are solved very easy. |
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Location: Wis. Rapids, WI | I'll add a thumbs up to the Chevy. I have a 2002 Chevy Avalanche with a 5.3L. Tows and rides is great. |
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Location: The desert | Schuler - 1/31/2012 4:36 PM
Pointerpride102 - 1/31/2012 4:53 PM
Get a Tundra.
I like the Dodge trucks but hear far too many horror stories about transmissions, so I'll never buy one.
Are people still not over this? That was 1994-1998. For what its worth, my 2005 Hemi Durango has 88,000 miles and has had 1 repair (a/c line ) and new brake pads. The hemi w/ 3.55 gears is no speed demon, but has a lot of torque to pull. Its great with my boat and I used it to pull a loaded car trailer through the mountain in Colorado and never noticed a drop of power. Gas mileage is 14 city and 17 highway. Towing the boat gets about 13 and car trailer was 10. New Durago doesn't have quite the towing capacity being unibody, but it'll be plenty for a boat and I'll have once I get this one paid off.
My buddies 2005 Mega Cab has already dropped one tranny. Another buddies 2004 dodge ram also dropped a tranny. My fiance's co worker bought a brand new Dodge quad cab that just blew a tranny, brand spanking new. One of our brand new 2011 dodge ram Law Enforcement trucks is already on its 3rd tranny.
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Location: On my favorite lake! | Toyota , chevy, dodge, ford , Nissan is ranking of my preference. I drove all of them in 2011 models and this Is how it came out for me. |
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| honestly all car and trucks break down ,most parts are from the same parts or ever supplers for example the early model rams started out with a GM brake system(not designed for that truck) that turned out to be to light duty the truck . most electrial imtem come for same suppler as well.dont know what went wrong with the trannys listed above .
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | I'll give you my opinions about Ford/Chevy/Dodge. I work in the concrete construction industry, and have used and abused all of these trucks. Here's my take.
The boss' truck is a Chevy with the 5.3l. 260,000 miles. Hard miles. Towing up to 12,000 lbs. The only work he has put into it so far (besides scheduled maintenance) is... well... nothing. Just recently, his heater core started going out. Other than than, tranny has been great, motor is still strong. My personal truck was a Chevy with the 5.3. Loved it. Stock, I was getting 22 mpg on the highway. Very comfortable ride.
The everyday use work trucks we have are Ford F-350's. I'm so peeed at that stupid 6.4l diesel. Started out as a great motor, but the biggest complaint I had is the mileage. 8-9 mph empty. No trailer, mostly highway driving under 70 mph. Other than a few little gliches here and there, (EGR valve, EGR cooler) all of our newer Fords have been pretty good. That being said, our next truck for out on the jobsite will be another Ford.
Dodge: The cummins is AWESOME. Loud, but unstoppable. Over 400,000 miles on one, and it will still roast the tires. Sure, it's on its 2nd transmission, but not bad for 400k. If you're looking for a gas job, this is not the truck I would recommend. The ride is stiff, even in a 1/2 ton. My F-350's ride better than the 1500 Rams. And I personally have 1 friend who was on his 3rd tranny in under 13,000 miles. He finally claimed the "lemon law" on it, and went with a different truck.
So, all things aside, I've always been a Chevy guy for personal use. They are the best riding trucks IMO. But, Ford HAS come a long ways. And they didn't take the government buyout.... If I was going to buy a new truck right now, I would honestly say I don't know which one I'd choose between Chevy and Ford. I just know it wouldn't be a Dodge. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Love my hemi ram. No tranny issues, will beat any gas truck in a drag race that is stock, plenty of power, towed up to 12,000 lbs and I have not got one single complaint. Dad and I have a combined 100000 miles on 2010 Dodge Rams (he has one identical to mine) and neither has had a single issue.
Buy american is all I can say. Neighbor across the street had a tundra crewmax and traded it off when he was driving to sturgis last year for the bike show. He bought a hemi ram and said it has 2x the power and a smoother ride. He said towing was nice before with the Tundra but is now a dream.
Dodge caught a bad rap for operator error in most cases. Don't tow in overdrive, it is really that simple. |
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| I've got a 2001 Silverado HD with the 8.1L engine and Alison transmission. It's a beast, 6200 lbs empty. It will tow anything any of us would ever want to put behind it, and you won't even know it's there. The ride is outstanding. 13 hours up to Canada and you don't feel like getting out of the truck. For pulling a boat? Overkill. The good news is your mileage won't drop all that much towing a boat, or anything else for that matter. The bad news is even empty you're lucky to get 13 MPG on the highway. Driving around town, you're loooking at 8-9 MPG, and it's a PITA to park because it's almost 22 feet long. That said, I LOVE my truck. My only issue was the crappy Firestone tires they put on it from the factory. There is nothing I'd ever want to do with it that I'd be afraid to do. I've had it ten years now, and the only thing that has broken were my tie rods. I think I did that pulling tree stumps. The only other issue is it's so big that my girlfriend is scared to death driving it. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing! 
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Chico R - 1/31/2012 11:32 PM
Have a '97 Chevy ext. cab truck
Those late 90's Chevy's in my opinion were some of the best, love those 5.7's. Never downshifted going up hills at 60 mph, sure miss my 99 Tahoe! |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Look at the Nissans. They don't have quite the name so their resale isn't as high as the Chevys. I will tell you that the 5.6L Nissan will tow the 6.2 Chevy around the parking lot. I've driven and towed with both and it's not even close. The Toyo is a solid truck as well, but they're a lot more money for a truck with a timing belt instead of the chain in the Nissan.
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| Owned an 04' Hemi... will never do that again. I personally have been stuck (broke down), somewhere, 5 times because of mine and my buddies Hemi's. |
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| in my opinion you cant beat the 5.3 chev or the ford 5.4. both great motors both great trucks. my suggestion is to drive one and see how it feels for you. and yes, i would stay away from dodge.
also, i drive a 07 classic chevy with the 6.0L. horrible gas mileage but doesn't hesitate when towing my 21 foot boat.
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Location: New Hope MN | I would only buy from a manufacturer who doesn’t get bailed out with tax payer money. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Ford F-250 Super-Crew Cab
Cummins HO Turbo-Diesel
Allison Transmission
maybe Johny Cash could build it for me ... |
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| it has been done johnnysled. its not cheap.
www.destroked.com
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Location: minocqua, wi. | clm - 2/1/2012 9:43 AM
it has been done johnnysled. its not cheap.
www.destroked.com
i would love to drive that truck |
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| I'm running a 2005 Silverado(5.3) and it's still rockin' with 112K miles. Towed a 19 ft Lund to Canada 3 times last year-----with the ORIGINAL super heavy Shorelander roller trailer----no problems at all. Drove 3.5 miles down an old logging road to the ramp every trip with NO PROBLEMS. Lots of good tow vehicles out there-----the more power, the better-----Jobu |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'Buy american is all I can say.'
The Tundra is built in TEXAS. Pretty sure that's the USA. Literally speaking, Mexico is in North America, so I suppose the Ford and Chevy units would apply to the comment. 
http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2009/07/03/25-vehicles-less-... |
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| i just traded my 2003 1/2 ton silverado for a 2003 tahoe to add some comfort. Anyone ever tow with a tahoe, it has the same engine as my silverado, i just didnt know if i would notice a difference pulling my 19 ft pro v
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Wow,
Surprised to hear all the issues with Dodge here...
I've owned All three of the major brands at some point in time and all had their various issues over the time I had them. The two most recent to present have been a 95 silverado w/5.7 and currently running a 2003 Ram Quad first generation HEMI.
The silverado had two issues: A fuel pump go, and intake manifold let go. Both not cheap to fix, but not hard either... Ran great and would own one again...
The Dodge Ram I purchased brand new (first ever vehicle I have done that with in my 40 years of life) in 2003. I have only had what I would call normal wear and tear issues (brakes, couple of front wheel hubs replaced and after 195,000 it's first tie rod), save one broken valve spring. It currently has 207,000 miles on it and has not skipped a beat....and...this thing is currently pulling my 2500 pound rig, but at times is pulling a 5th wheel camper on a transmission that has not had any maintenance on it at all...not even a flush filter and fill. Still pulling strong today. It is getting tired, though, and could use an engine rebuild at this point, but 207,000 with no major mechanical issues is pretty darn good in my book. I would not hesitate to buy another Ram at all. In fact, for looks, I feel it has the best stance of the three.
I would say with any of the vehicles out there, the breakdowns of things like transmissions, are more due to the driving style and improper use by the person at the helm.
Chevy-vs-dodge-ford-vs-nissan-vs-toyota... They all have their good aspects and not-so-good aspects.. In the end, it it much more about personal preference... But the debate will never stop...
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| what about an F250 6.2L gas pullin a ranger 620vs? enough power for this boat? |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | da bears - 2/1/2012 1:59 PM
what about an F250 6.2L gas pullin a ranger 620vs? enough power for this boat?
More than enough power, a very good match there. |
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Location: Angola, IN | I just got a piece of #*#* 1990 K1500. 350TBI. TH400. 14 Bolt Rear End. Bought it for $2000 last fall. Put another $2000 in it (plugs, wires, new distributor, belt, radiator, both front drive shafts, intake manifold gasket, rebuilt rear axle, and new front brakes: calipers, pads, and rotors).....plus all the little crap like new fuel filter, servicing the tranny, transfer case, and differentials, etc.
You can't beat those old Chevy's. Easy to work on. Cheap parts. I mean for $4000, I got a decent 4x4 truck.
Tranny is smooth as a baby's behind and the engine is plenty strong with just over 160k miles on her. Those old 350's are bullet-proof.
This truck pulls my SUPER HEAVY 1969 19' fiberglass Starcraft closed bow and vintage TeeNee trailer no problem 3.5 hours to LSC and 3.5 hours back....even when the rear end was howling louder than a polecat and the radiator only held about 1/2 full.  |
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Location: Blaine, MN | As long as a truck thread was started, can someone answer this for me... Why does the Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 5.7L Hemi have 16 spark plugs? benefits? I am not a car guy, but I change the oil, brakes, and rotate the tires, well Fiat (Chrysler/Jeep) reccomends the plugs get changed every 30,000, I figure what the hell, a few tall boys in the garage and no problems... It took me 3 hours on Sat. some of those bad boys are near impossible for my sausage fingers to get to... anybody enlighten me as to why? Thanks |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | short STRIKE - 2/1/2012 3:13 PM
As long as a truck thread was started, can someone answer this for me... Why does the Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 5.7L Hemi have 16 spark plugs? benefits? I am not a car guy, but I change the oil, brakes, and rotate the tires, well Fiat (Chrysler/Jeep) recommends the plugs get changed every 30,000, I figure what the hell, a few tall boys in the garage and no problems... It took me 3 hours on Sat. some of those bad boys are near impossible for my sausage fingers to get to... anybody enlighten me as to why? Thanks
Emissions and mileage. Two plugs that fire a short time apart give a more complete burn. Plugs are copper, because of fouling. Replacement plugs must be copper as well unless you want to replace the coil packs at the next oil change. The platinum plugs that "fit" are a hotter plug which requires more voltage from the coil packs. You WILL overheat the packs and fry them if you run platinum plugs in a Hemi.
My father is a mechanic and I work with about 20 of them. Buy the spark plug socket with a universal joint built into it and locking extensions. Flex head ratchet that is fine tooth and these tools will mean job done in an hour. I did a set just this week on a 2010 hemi ram in about an hour. |
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Location: Blaine, MN | Thanks Ryan, I got the correct plugs from the auto parts store, however I failed to ask for the advice on the tools, my mistake.. Noted for next time, I appreciate it... or, what are you doing in 30,000 miles |
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| Slamr - 2/1/2012 3:40 PM
esoxaddict - 2/1/2012 3:07 PM
towing what? - 2/1/2012 2:39 PM
Hey EA don't ya need a b o a t to call it a tow vehicle? bwahahahahahaha.
Golden, if I buy a boat before I buy an engagement ring, I'm going to be calling my truck "H O M E"!
Is "golden" like a cut down or is it a compliment? because I swear that wasnt me.
Could be either! Depends on whether they like you or not. Probably Nelson. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | what's your experience pulling with the Grand Cherokee? i am considering that for the honey so that in the possible but infrequent situation i would like to be able to pull a 690 with it. her current CRV is obviously not an option.
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| I pull a ranger 175vs with a 2005 Grand Cherokee with a 5.7 hemi and it pulls that great.
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| Joz has it 100%, buy these tools and it's a breeze, another trick is if you dont have the correct tools is, get a 3/8ths rubber hose about 5" long and slip it over the spark plug, now you can install/ remove the plug by simply spinning the hose without worrying about getting your sausage fingers in the way. Then all you have to do is give them a quarter turn with the ratchet. I've done this for years with no trouble, also use a dab of anti seize it will make removable even easier next time.
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Location: Blaine, MN | jonnysled - 2/1/2012 4:44 PM
what's your experience pulling with the Grand Cherokee? i am considering that for the honey so that in the possible but infrequent situation i would like to be able to pull a 690 with it. her current CRV is obviously not an option.
thanks ....
oh, and that was for sure Nellie
I haven't towed with it yet, thats still the job of my 03 suburban... and it actually is my wifes vehicle, she adores it, bought herself a jeep hat, sweatshirt, even a jeep stroller for the bambino, she's definitely a groupie. When/if I get the chance to pull some weight, I will let you know what i think. I have nothing but confidence that it can hold its own, its the gas mileage i worry about...around town currently Mrs. lead foot gets 13 mpg.
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| dtaijo174 - 2/1/2012 8:57 AM
I would only buy from a manufacturer who doesn’t get bailed out with tax payer money.
That would be Ford. They haven't been #1 in sales for 33 straight years for nothing. And it looks like that streak isn't about to end in the foreseeable future.
I'm on my 3rd F150 since 1982. Ove half a million miles between the first two. My 2010 Lariat is the best truck I've ever been in. By far!
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| I must drive to fast when I pull my boat...LOL. My chevy 5.3 is horrible for towing in my opinion, getting 10 mpg, always down shifting if I hit any sort of inclide...and I mean ANY sort of incline...maybe I can slow down, but that probably won't happen!!! LOL I know when I am pulling my old boat from Indiana to Minnesota, my truck was at 3,000 rpms as much if not more than it was at 2,000 rpm's. Just like anything with power sports and fun...get the BIGGEST and BEST you can afford. I would love to get a Chevy 2500 HD diesel so I can pull anything...but it's just not in the cards to spend that much on a truck.
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| Forgot one more thing...best tow vehicle I ever owned was a Ford E350 12 passanger van. I could and did take the back seats out, have so much cargo room for boxes, rods, clothes, reels, my boat cover, etc....cheap too! I will be looking at getting one of these again when I am done with my truck. Sure, it might not be the coolest looking, but it was awsome at towing!!! |
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| dtaijo174 - 2/1/2012 8:57 AM
I would only buy from a manufacturer who doesn’t get bailed out with tax payer money.
Even if the manufacturer paid the loans off already and overtook chevy in truck sales this year?
That would be a Ram boys.
Also who is your mortgage through if you don't want to use bailout money, musty be your local bank? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | the loans were offset with stock ownership to China ... GM = Chinese. by the way Shanghai GM has some highly desired products for that growing market so as you complain about imports ... recognize that our exports are highly valued in other countries too.
in our financial situation does anyone believe that it was our Government who provided funds to the bailout? we provided "debt" to China and in a stock ownership swap provided money to GM for the bailout.
and that's a fact ...
playing the flag, apple pie and mama card makes you look ignorant ...
they sell newspapers and if you read em you can learn lots a stuff
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| I am obviously biased because my family has 4 Chrysler Brand dealerships. But it is a fact that Chrysler has been below the industry standard in tranny work the last 6 year. Also they have had the truck of the year and are consumers digest best buys the last few years.
We also have a Ford store and I can share horror stories about them too.
Basically it comes down to ever manufactuer has problems sometimes. Ford diesels and Tundra fuel economy are the first few to come to mind.
As far as towing..the 5.3 would be comparable to the 4.7L in the Ram so if you didn't like your 4.7L I would look for a Hemi or a 6.0L in those brands or a 5.4L ford. The hemi has the same HP and only 5lbs less torque that the 6.0L so that would be a fairer comparison.
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| I also had a Dodge 1500 once that I used to pull at Lund 1775 with...small boat and doesn't weigh a lot...still smoked the tranny at 96,000 miles, water pump went out a 85,000 miles, AC went out at 80,000 miles, exhaust fell off driving down the road a 90,000 miles, etc....so, for me....never again.
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You can bet your ass I'll be keeping that truck for l-o-n-g time.
Chrysler (now a division of Fiat) turned a profit last year, not a bad turnaround from bankruptcy.
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Location: syracuse indiana | well all i can say, and i hope im not shooting myself here but i have a 05 silverado ext cab with a 4.8 and it has 158,000 miles on it, and i have never had a problem with it, dont use any oil and the only thing i have to do to it lately is brakes tires and new tie rods and a small coolant leak behind the water pump. i will be changing that gasket out this weekend i hope... other than that she is rock solid and i cannot tell my crestliner is even back there when pulling it |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Trucks generate the same sort of arguments as politics and religion. I am always amazed anyone would allow themselves to be defined by what they drive....it's a frigging truck.
Buy what you want,maybe get the best warranty possible or the biggest engine or nicest ride or whatever, and hope cognitive dissonance is not an issue...either way. |
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Location: Canada, Eh! | suggestions here are kinda funny.. without knowing what the original poster is pulling it's kinda hard to say
little different towing a 21' glass boat compared to a 15' aluminum. getting a cummins diesel to pull my rig would be ludicrous. |
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| da bears - 2/1/2012 1:59 PM
what about an F250 6.2L gas pullin a ranger 620vs? enough power for this boat?
And a few others behind it... |
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Location: Northwest Wisconsin | I am pulling an Alumacraft tournament pro 175 tiller with a 75hp mercury. Thanks for all the responses, I appreciate all of them. |
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| Shep - 2/2/2012 2:32 PM
dtaijo174 - 2/1/2012 8:57 AM
I would only buy from a manufacturer who doesn’t get bailed out with tax payer money.
That would be Ford. They haven't been #1 in sales for 33 straight years for nothing. And it looks like that streak isn't about to end in the foreseeable future.
I'm on my 3rd F150 since 1982. Ove half a million miles between the first two. My 2010 Lariat is the best truck I've ever been in. By far!
I am sick of all this misinformation. Here are some facts for you guys that think Ford is so great.
Ford and Nissan still owe the federal government a combined 7 billion dollars from the same DOE fund that gave money to Solyndra.
Chrysler repaid all the loans provided with interest and currently owes $0.
GM was given interest free money and won't have to pay a dime in interest.
So who has the bad debt and who used the loans, turned the business around, and paid the government around 2 billion in interest on top of it?
Oh yeah and expanded the plant in Belvedere and is creating more jobs?
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| i have a Sequioa which is the SUV version of the tundra. I use it to pull all my toys included my pontoon and my ranger. I traded my F150 SCREW in for this SUV and it was one of the best decisions i ever made. The sequioa has more power, better ride (expected), better fuel economy and way better quality. I would say save a little more and get the tundra. you won't be disappointed. I had ford for years, and always had good luch until my 2007 F150 which was a POS to be honest. Now i have all foriegn cars and i don't visit the dealer anymore for things. i would never buy a chevy or dodge ever again either.
SM, where are you getting that ford owes money? i don't believe that to be true. It may be, but i looked for that proof and couldn't find it. GM and Chrysler had to take taxpayer $ to survive and is one of the biggest reasons i will NEVER buy anything from them. Its hard to believe what GM charges for their vehicles when every taxpayer already paid them almost $1000 just to keep them afloat. And the dealers act like GM is doing you the favor.
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| http://green.autoblog.com/2009/06/23/officially-official-ford-gets-...
There is a link to the Ford money taken from the DOE. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | http://green.autoblog.com/2009/06/23/officially-official-ford-gets-...
That's quite a bit different from the money applied to propping up bankrupt car companies. This is conditional loan money from the DOE and has to do with developing new 'greener' automotive technology. |
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| All I am saying is a everyone trumps up ford for not taking government money and they still did. Maybe it was a different fund but they still took money and owe it back. Chrysler has a zero balance and GM is in the hole pretty deep yet. If you decide to avoid a vehicle because they got a bailout that is your decision, but in my mind it is pretty weak reason to discount an entire automotive brand.
From a business standpoint one could argue that the government made a good decision (as rare as that is). They made 2 billion in interest and the loans were repaid. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | No, they didn't. They didn't take government BAIL OUT money, they took R&D money available to most of the car companies to develop new technologies.
A decision to buy from a proven fiscally responsible and financially strong company isn't 'weak' by any stretch. It is....what it is. |
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| I am just glad the majority of people in the area don't feel that way. Up 29% over last year, sold 100 more new cars than last year at the store I am at, and took in more chevy trucks last year than ever before, didn't have to lay anyone off, even added a few employees. Chrysler is viable again after the Daimler/Cerebus debacle and life is looking up. |
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| You won't beat a new F-150 with the EcoBoost engine for hauling just about anything. You can tow something like 9,500 pounds with it, and you still get 22 mpg highway (towing a 2,000# boat you'll get more like 16mpg). Smooth, quiet ride and ridiculous power. It's a sweet rig. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | smbrickner - 2/16/2012 8:57 AM
I am just glad the majority of people in the area don't feel that way. Up 29% over last year, sold 100 more new cars than last year at the store I am at, and took in more chevy trucks last year than ever before, didn't have to lay anyone off, even added a few employees. Chrysler is viable again after the Daimler/Cerebus debacle and life is looking up.
Yes, the economy has improved some. Hopefully, we'll get past the worst of it this year and early into next. |
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| smbrickner - 2/16/2012 8:57 AM
I am just glad the majority of people in the area don't feel that way. Up 29% over last year, sold 100 more new cars than last year at the store I am at, and took in more chevy trucks last year than ever before, didn't have to lay anyone off, even added a few employees. Chrysler is viable again after the Daimler/Cerebus debacle and life is looking up.
in the area? Sounds like Rockford?
I don't base purchasing a vehicle because they did or didn't take any bailout money. I buy Ford because they build the best trucks. For 35 years running. |
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| Nope Central Wisconsin. |
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| I guess it's noble to base your buying decisions on company politics and government bailouts, but if I were looking at trucks, I would want one that does the job well, without major components of the vehicle breaking/wearing out long before their time. To that end, I don't really care what name is on the grill. I want to be able to drive down the road after 7-8 years and still be able to tell people I love my truck. |
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| esoxaddict - 2/16/2012 11:40 AM
I guess it's noble to base your buying decisions on company politics and government bailouts, but if I were looking at trucks, I would want one that does the job well, without major components of the vehicle breaking/wearing out long before their time. To that end, I don't really care what name is on the grill. I want to be able to drive down the road after 7-8 years and still be able to tell people I love my truck.
Exactly! Even when my '82 was 14 years old, and had 260K on it, I still felt a little sad when the new owner drove off in it. Same with my 97 which had 245K on it in 2010, when I got my new F150. Over 500K miles on 2 trucks over 29 years.
I expect to keep this one another 10 years when I retire, and then buy another new one. |
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Location: Rhinelander | My two GM trucks, with both having the 5.3 have a combined total of 378,000 miles in 9.5 years of use. Purchased both brand new and they just keep on ticking.
Shooting for 300,000 on the 2002. This will be my first 300,000 vehicle as I usually don't keep them this long.
The 02 is a tahoe and the 08 is a 4 door pick-up. When the wifes Jeep Liberty has a few more miles (just checked hers, 137,000) we will get her another Tahoe. |
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Location: Racine, Wi | I have to stick with Ford as well. I think I'm around 120k on my 04 Expedition, with close to 60% of that spent towing a boat either locally or up nort and back. Knock on wood, the only issue I've had so far was new spark plugs last year. Other then that, the truck gets me to and from where I'm going. That's what I want it to do. Next truck will either be another Expedition, or an F150 when we're ready. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | esoxaddict - 2/16/2012 11:40 AM
I guess it's noble to base your buying decisions on company politics and government bailouts, but if I were looking at trucks, I would want one that does the job well, without major components of the vehicle breaking/wearing out long before their time. To that end, I don't really care what name is on the grill. I want to be able to drive down the road after 7-8 years and still be able to tell people I love my truck.
last year i considered getting a new truck for obvious reasons, i was an easy target for the sales guys on lots driving in with a Ford F250 with 210,000 miles. each time they thought they had an easy sale, i would step up into my truck after test-driving a new one and say "i like mine better". so, it now has new Michellin's, 235,000 miles and i'm not even thinking about a new one. it looks as good and runs better than it did when it was new. granted, i had "the 6.0 litre problem", but once truly fixed ... this thing will last me a long, long time. it's still fun to drive and is a better choice than a new one.
i've never owned a chevy, my last 2 prior to this one were dodges ... not even close. a Ford F-250 Superduty is a truck you can truly own for a lifetime if you want to. |
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| Let's not buy from companies that took bailout money? Yeah that makes sense. Especially since it wasn't all of the people actually putting the vehicles together that messed the company up. Just like most other companies that screw it, its a couple guys in 10,000$ suits that do the damage. |
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Location: Racine, Wi | Guest - 2/19/2012 1:51 PM
Let's not buy from companies that took bailout money? Yeah that makes sense. Especially since it wasn't all of the people actually putting the vehicles together that messed the company up. Just like most other companies that screw it, its a couple guys in 10,000$ suits that do the damage.
If only it were that easy.... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | What twisted misinformation tells folks to put the dollar sign AFTER the price? Drives me nuts. It's $10,000.00, not 10,000$.
Gah. |
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| Guest - 2/19/2012 1:51 PM
Let's not buy from companies that took bailout money? Yeah that makes sense. Especially since it wasn't all of the people actually putting the vehicles together that messed the company up. Just like most other companies that screw it, its a couple guys in 10,000$ suits that do the damage.
What? so you think the unions didn't have anything to do with bancrupkting GM? Do you realize that something like $2500 of each new GM goes to retired workers who don't even put cars together anymore? Sure, mgmt gave them this and its their fault too. |
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| I would buy a black chevrolet 1/2 ton with gagster wheels (2009) |
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Location: Davenport, IA | Rob - 2/22/2012 2:35 PM
I would buy a black chevrolet 1/2 ton with gagster wheels (2009)
Saw an excursion at the Chicago Auto Show with a large enclosure in back featuring 4 subwoofers. In the enclosure were live goldfish. Would this be a legal way to transport suckers? Would PETA be upset with the hearing loss the fish may suffer? |
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Location: Dane Country | I have a 1997 FORD F250 HD. Still love my truck. American made. That's just me. Gm and Dodge should not have gotten bail out money. The D.O.E. gives money to every company to do R&D. So not only did they get bailed out they also got money from the D.O.E. I am a small business owner. Remember all the small business that went under since Gm and Dodge didn't have to pay.There is always more to the story. |
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Location: East Central WI | Have driven them all and owed 3 GMC's since 1988. The 1995 GMC Sierra with the 5.7 was the best. Good mileage, very realiable, plenty of power & my first "new" truck. ran it for 200,000+ miles with no real problems. I now have a 2003 GMC 1500HD with the 6.0L gas engine. It likes gas, I get about 11-13MPG's pulling a 20' Crestliner 202 and 13-15 MPG's empty. It has 80,000 miles on it and has no significant repairs whatsoever & runs like a top & has a VERY nice ride. Awesome in the snow. I've maintained it well. It pulls the boat great and has plenty of giddyup and stops when it needs to. Having said that, I am looking at Fords & GMC's because I have always wanted one (a Ford) and they do make a great truck, especially lately. Might have to give the edge to Fords since they did not take the govt. money and toughed it out. The Ford sales guys tell me that the 3.7 Ecoboost and the 5.0 liter are almost identical. I just can't do a Dodge, too many problems. Honestly they are all good. Towing, mileage, etc. it really is almost a "horse a piece" these days. If you know of anyone looking to buy a 2003 GMC Sierra 1500HD with low miles.... I know a guy.... |
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| '03 jeep grand cherokee w/ the 4.0 & 215,000+. Pulls either of my boats well (Navigator & row-troller) and runs great, I expect to get to 300,000 with it.
I'm in the air over my next vehicle between a truck or another Cherokee. Trucks are nice, but it's also extremely handy to be able to put my rods right in the jeep (9'3" fits fine). Then again, I wish Jeep would make a more sportsman friendly Cherokee, don't need the leather & super fancy items, make it to get dirty - the Wranglers simply don't have the towing capacity.
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Location: Northwest Wisconsin | Thanks again for all the information. We made a deal on a GMC Sierra yesterday. Hopefully it will be a good truck. We pick it up on Tuesday. |
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