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| Whats with the bashing?Read the artical an let me know.I had no idea.Read the artical on the front page www.musky.com
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| I had a few free moments, so I read the article, and felt that I too wanted to exercise my rights to free speech. Tell me I'm crazy, tell me I'm a nutcase, or even tell me you agree, just tell me what you think of my response:
*and NO, I am in NO WAY CONNECTED TO TY SENNETT OR LAURA MORRISON!!! I am a MuskieFirster and I fish Vilas County, not Hayward
From time to time I have frequented www.musky.com, and have found a number of interesting articles on it that I read and felt I gained something from. The internet is a great place in which one can access a large volume of free information to one's own benefit. In turn for this information, the owner of the website can then sell advertising space, or promote another type of business via the traffic that the viewers of this free information.
I just read an article that appears to now be the showcase of your website at the moment, pertaining to the banning of Ty Sennett and Laura Morrison from Herman's Landing, and any association therein. Regardless of the validity of the claims against Mr. Sennett or Ms. Morrison, the rightness of Herman's decision towards their banning, or the intentions of the parties involved in the incidents described within the article posted on your site; the fact that you posted this on your website really puts a bad taste in my mouth.
I am not friends, a business partner of, or a colleage of Mr. Sennett or Ms. Morrison in any way shape or form, but to post this article, which details the accusations against two distinct parties (which the article does maintain those charged against them in terms of DNR laws were not substantiated by the law enforcement agents involved) appears to run contrary to the exact assertations you put for in your article "Even Free Speech Has a Cost". In your article you put forth, " The problem comes from a small number of miscreants who try to use chat boards as a forum to further their petty prejudices.". By making the main feature of your website an article which speaks so poorly of 2 individuals (and NO I am not asserting guilt or innocence on Mr. Sennett or Ms. Morrison) are you not becoming one of these "miscreants" who is using now the internet as their vehicle to further "petty prejudices"?
Your retort obviously could be that you are simply providing information to the general viewing public, and maybe this is where my views and beliefs become skewed. I cannot help but think that there some underlying purpose behind the featuring of this article for your viewing public. After the copious amount of infighting and dirt slinging that has been occuring within the Muskie fishing community of Hayward, WI. in the last few years, it would seem difficult to believe that the promotion of this article on your website is without, "petty prejudices".
In reality, if you do or do not have a bias against Mr. Sennett and Ms. Morrison does not matter. What does matter in my eyes is that the fighting and slanderous attacks that have now been occuring for years in the Hayward/Chippewa Flowage are still occuring. Does it affect my well-being? NO. Does it affect my livelihood? NO. What does it affect? It affects my decision making in terms of where I choose to spend my fishing $$$. With the amount of ugly political manuevering and aggressive actions that the muskie community in this area does both in private and publically towards individuals, I have become so sickened by those involved, that there is no way that I would ever plan to spend a moment of my free time or money that is allocated to leisure activities towards any business in this area. I may be the one person who feels this way, but I highly doubt it. You may feel that those who contribute to, or simply view muskie-focused bulletin boards are, at least to a degree, "miscreants", but this does not change the fact that in the electronic age what you and others in the Hayward area put forth on the internet is going to be read by the masses (I maybe wrong, but I do believe MuskieFirst.com alone recieves views by man thousand SEPERATE IP addresses monthly). These masses view things in obviously a mass of different fashions, but I would think that there is a higher amount of people who feel the way I do than you might expect. With the popularity of muskie fisheries in places such as Northwest Ontario, the Kawarthas and the Ottawa River in Eastern Ontario and Quebec, Georgian Bay, Lake St. Clair, the emerging fisheries in Minnesota (Leech, Case, and Bemidji Lakes) and even the small number of lakes in Indiana (Lakes Webster and Tippecanoe, and the Barbee Chain) it would seem as though muskie fishermen and women have many choices of places to fish beyond that of the Hayward area. Yes there are more people involved in, and spending money on, muskie fishing than ever before, but they now have exponentially more areas at which they may spend their valued tourist dollars.
My point is this, it might seem like a good idea in the future for yourself, and others in the area in question to keep your fighting, politics and "petty prejudices" to a larger degree outside of the view of the public eye. Though the affects may not be felt directly on any one individual at the moment, but it would seem that in a time of a serious economic downturn that each and every person who makes even a portion of their living off of muskie fisherman/women (guides, lodges, tackle shops, etc.) should be doing more and more to promote the image of area versus creating issues which put a black eye on all that are within this area. Ty Sennett and Laura Morrison get an ugly mark placed on themselves through the assertation of the article, but to use your website as a vehicle to promote this article, it just seems to put another smudge on the image of the Hayward area.
Please feel free to respond to my written feelings via email or phone to:
Andrew "Slamr" Golden
[email protected]
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| Couldn't agree with you more Slamr. Well written and well planned out!!! Unfortunately I had taken the time to read the article also, and it ruffled a few feathers on my body also. I think the mud-slinging should die and everyone take as much effort and time in protecting the resource rather than nonconstructive criticism. Maybe instead of trying to get the last word in we should say bygones are bygones and work together. Because what it all boils down is exactly what you said. A tarnished image on both sides of the fence doesn't help anyone. I just think that our words may fall on deaf ears because some individuals are blinded by trying to get the last word in... (Sounds like all the senses aren't working). If that wasn't the case we wouldn't be having this conversation!!!
catch ya later,
Krappie
P.S. The snow hasn't even started flying yet, and it's already starting . Whew, we might be in for a dandy winter!!! | |
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| If I am not mistaken, aren't the people who tried to pass of the chip study to us involved with this web site? That must be why I have only visited it once. People like this are nothing more than a black eye in our sport. | |
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| Hello,
It’s a shame that the Hayward political disaster has spread to MuskieFirst. For that, I apologize to everyone here, especially Zach, Steve, and Jason. I’m sure you guys have enough to do.
Please allow me to make a few corrections to the aforementioned editorial. First, I am not a guide. Never been paid to fish, maybe some day... it might be fun. As of right now, I take my friends fishing, fish a few tournaments...
The site they are referring to (about the racism) is muskies101.com not Ty Sennett’s guide site. The 101 site is owned by me, not Ty. Ty helps me when he can... as does Jim McCullough. So, I hate to disappoint the people trying to point the “racism” at Ty. The posts (not articles) on the message board that were on the site were not at all racially motivated or slanderous. That’s pretty much the reason why musky.com didn’t put the original posts on their site. Anyone would be able to see that the posts were not truly racially motivated. (I can easily reproduce the actual posting here if need be) If musky.com reprinted the article with permission from The LCO Times, then why did musky.com change the article? Most articles are reprinted word for word, not doctored to fit a specific need. I also find it odd that the issue of LCO Times with “the article” in it has been mailed “anonymously” to every single Hayward area business in brown business sized envelopes (no return address, postmarked from Hayward) with “the article” highlighted... All of the attacks via internet message boards, mail, or email have all been by people that refuse to put a real name behind it. (Everything from statements to our sponsors that we’re spearing supporters, to statements to the LCO Tribe that we’re racist.) Each time we’ve asked these accusers to call us to discuss the issues personally, they disappear... Then, they usually reappear with a new message board handle pointing out yet another defamatory article on musky.com. Seems the real goal is to smear Ty Sennett as a guide and muskies101.com as a viable source of educational information.
I care about the anonymous names... when it affects me personally. Anonymity is fun when sharing tactics, techniques in an open forum on a website... Anonymity is bad when used to defame, or destroy reputations. I don’t particularly enjoy spending time defending myself (although I feel I need to) against faceless people.
Herman’s Landing... We had only been in Herman’s Landing a few times this spring, but soon decided it wasn’t where we wanted to hang our hats any longer. Call Deerfoot Lodge and ask them... they knew about it. Funny thing, shortly after the decision was made to not return, we received a letter from Herman’s. Coincidence?
I won’t get completely into the he said, she said stuff... I don’t think anyone really cares about most of the events. Just a few side notes: Ty never said anything about “free speech”, nor did I. Ty is a very non-confrontational person. Ty did tell the Manager of Herman’s that he would let me know about it and Ty would have me call him. I was misquoted about this as well... It didn’t take ten days... another incorrect detail.
The message board topics... there are two topics on the message board. Most of you are familiar on how message boards work by having the list of topics on the front page. Anyway… One topic is titled “Herman’s Landing”, the other topic is titled “Pete Maina is a Violator”. Which topic do you think stands out a little bit further than the other? The violator post? Possibly the reason why it only stayed on for 27 minutes. When I was talking to the editor of the LCO Times, I pointed this out. I’m not sure he’s real familiar with how boards work. The editor did tell me who posted the Maina topic...
Rods placed on an unmarked water hump... The hump (rock bar that comes up to about 3 inches) is about one cast from shore not in the middle of a thoroughfare. Easily attended, and not in any danger of anyone. (Warden Ken Rusk was quoted as saying basically the same thing).
Now, do you honestly think that if a Warden came out and we were outside the law, they would not issue a ticket? AND don’t you think that if someone was really on-plane, 15 feet away from a wardens boat (cussing and swearing no less) the warden would instantly give a ticket? I believe that’s why we have Wardens. Here’s the important line from the article “GLIFWC Warden, Ken Rusk, who responded to the incident with LCO Conservation warden Jeremy Martin, confirmed that the lines were off shore, but that he felt they posed no danger to anyone. He declined to comment further on the incident.” I wonder why he declined anything further? Maybe because the accusations are lies, we were in the right, and the Warden didn’t need to get involved. Could be.
I really liked what Slamr wrote – he couldn’t be more correct. I would like nothing more than for these “problems” to be resolved internally and not spread throughout the fishing community. It seems every time we turn around, we get publicly sucker-punched (no pun intended). It’s giving a back eye to everyone involved. Businesses are suffering because of this. I bet they (musky.com and others) don’t care about this as long as their end result is a success... But, what is their end result? This, to be honest with you, scares me. They’ve gone out of their way to destroy reputations, now what? What do they do when they run out of lies to tell?
Again, I apologize that this political mess has spread to MuskieFirst... and for such a long response. If anyone visits our site (I know we have some cross traffic), I hope you will find it to be as friendly and educational as MuskieFirst. Steve, Zach, and Jason are great guys. I visit this site often and enjoy it, wish I had more time to contribute, heck I can’t even keep up with 101 right now.
Not trying to get the last word, just defending myself.
I’m sure Ty will reply when he gets back.
Sincerely,
Laura Morrison
PS. I posted something similar to this on another site and will probably post it on 101 and MC as time permits. I’ve been deleting threads like these that have been posted on 101 (several different names – same IP), I just didn’t have time to deal with it until today. I'm not pointing fingers at MuskyE, I'm sure he's just wondering what was up.
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| Ya no finger pointing!!ASAP!I just thought you two were respectible people and was woundering why the bashing?Will there ever be an artical for dating laura? | |
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| Hey guys,
I don't know about you guys but out of all the good and informative websites on the internet today that deal with fishing MUSKY.COM has got to be the biggest hoax.
Spreading rumors and pointing finger on false information is not what this whole thing is about, it's to educate. It's sad that there are people at Musky.com that are willing to try to get people to support them through rumors. Musky.com also is against everything that MuskieFIRST and Muskies101 is about. Anyone can post an article just like a bad anonymous person can post a thread and all Musky.com is doing is posting one sided threads and pulling it off as a true reference. In my opinion they are just proving their stupidity and lack of smarts.
I think we should all treat Musky.com like a bad anonymous post, let's face it they are the BS tabloid of musky sites.
I apologize if this post was too offensive but I feel it needed to be said.
-Phil Cali ([email protected])
PS- Congrats to Laura for addressing this matter and not hiding behind a site like musky.com! Good job Laura! | |
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| Well said Laura. And well said, Slamr.
GI--GO
Fits with the articles, and the result....[:(] Phil, you are dead on. No problem![:praise:] | |
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| Hi Laura,
I wanted to say thanks for explaining your end of the story, and it's not so much saying the last word, but setting the record straight. I don't think there was any questions about your and Ty's reputation because like has been said so often. You Guys Rock!!!! Actions speak louder than words and the basis of your website alone speaks volumes about how much you folks love the resource. Just taking the time to get in touch with everyone this past spring for the DNR meetings on increased size limits is also a reflection how you want to protect the resource. So why would someone that wants to protect a resource violate a game law? They don't....at least in my world of reality. So that says how much someone is out of touch with reality by posting such "flammery" on their website.
I agree with you, that it's pretty scary when some people continously try to fabricate a story to wreck reputations. But I also think that everyone in the musky community knows who the good guys are. Laura and Ty's reputation precedes themselves, and like what has already been said: actions speak much louder than words.
My post discussing about "always having the last word" wasn't meant to be primary directed so much toward you. But to just state, that nothing has been said for so long between both parties on the boards, and then "someone from the other side" drags this up. Well, it appears that it's just a couple of pouty children always trying to get back at Ty. Now I can't believe that they are tryig to drag you into it. I think their "last word" will always hurt them by making them appear as troublemakers.
Don't fret, I'm willing to bet that a huge portion of people from the mukie community support Ty and you. Don't let the buzzing pests bother you and keep your head up.
catch ya later,
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| Krappie,
BRAVO!!!!
Your post got me thinking, why doesn't Scott Allen, John Detloff or Craig Sandell ever try to explain themselves other than posting tabloid articles? Scared of what we might ask them or have to say?
I also agree that mostly everyone in the Musky community knows the right and wrong, but not everyone knows who Scott, John and Craig are because they hide behind these articles.
Also one other thing that nobody mentions in any article is how Scott Allen has very close ties with the LCO.. Don't you think his biased opinion could have some influence on them?
Just thought I would put some of the other guys names out because god knows they try to point fingers on specific names so I just thought I would inform people on who the other guys names are also.
-Phil Cali ([email protected]) | |
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| A couple of ovious questions here.
Who owns www.musky.com? I see that Larry Ramsell is advertized there a lot but who actualy owns and edits the site.
Secondly why would someoene post lies and such on the internet or in any kind of newspaper? Everybody knows this person would be responsible and could be sued for slander?
P.S. This post has nothing to do with my previous negative business dealings with Laura. I for one believe that she and Ty and getting picked on for an ovious reason. Just like in any politics the minority are usely the ones speaking the loadest. | |
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| This is the only info I could find on who registered the domain and who operates the board:
Registrant:
Sandell & Associates (MUSKY-DOM)
14059 Harvey Lane
Riverside, CA 92503-7430
US
Domain Name: MUSKY.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Sandell, Craig (CS1127) [email protected]
Sandell & Associates
14059 Harvey Lane
Riverside, CA 92503-7430
909-780-1731
Record expires on 13-Mar-2004.
Record created on 12-Mar-1996.
Database last updated on 13-Oct-2002 10:55:17 EDT.
Domain servers in listed order:
MUSKY-DOM.MUSKY.COM 38.184.12.196
SEC1.DNS.PSI.NET 38.8.92.2
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| I posted the following on Lake-Link in response to someone trying to stir the pot. Not that I want to draw attention to another board but this guy has asked people to jump on the bandwagon and it needs to end. This is way beyond fishing. Ty and Laura have been put potentially into harms way. The article was posted in Herman's with Ty and Laura's names highlighted like a wanted poster. To put it into perspective for you, Ty only lives about two miles down the road from Herman's. If it were you, how would you sleep at night?
Friends help friends in time of need.....................
I have never been to lake-link until now so my registration is a couple of minutes old. A friend of mine sent me an e-mail with a link to this post. I went to www.musky.com and read the
article you have referred to and feel compelled to respond.
I generally steer clear of any type of debates such as this because it turns into a heated debate all about we said/they said. Heated discussions get the blood boiling and adrenaline pumping all for what........naught, pretty much.
I feel compelled to write because I am friend of Ty and Laura as well as numerous others within the musky fishing community. The bashing that is going on is out of control and absurd.
Here is my two cents specifically in response to the article entitled "Hayward Guides Banned By Herman's Landing":
1) Laura Morrison is not a musky guide. She doesn't claim to be.
2) If Herman's Landing is truly a respectable business, would they go to such great lengths as
to ban someone from their business and publicly promote it? That doesn't make much sense
to me. Ty Sennett has been guiding the Chippewa Flowage for a very long time. He is well
connected and respected within the musky fishing industry. Laura Morrison is the founder of
www.muskies101.com If you haven't visited the site, please do so. She has put a ton of time
and effort into creating a website for all levels of musky anglers. She is also an established
tournament angler and writes for magazine publications, as does Ty. Unless someone had a
personal vendetta against Ty and Laura, Herman's would be hurting their own business by
banning them. These two people have a very large contingent of followers who create
business for Herman's Landing.
From a personal standpoint, I started fishing the Chippewa Flowage about 7 years ago. I love
the body of water for the beauty and big fish potential. One of my favorite things to do was
sit at the counter at Herman's and eat breakfast while looking out onto the Chip. The nostalgia
of it all was enough to give me chills and draw me in.......thinking of all the great fish catches
from the past and the ones that could be in the future. I continued to visit Herman's when
the ownership changed hands but I could see subtle changes in the attitude and presence.
There didn't seem to be a desire to preserve what had been established over time. The
nostalgia was losing it's mighty gloss and became disappointing for me. I haven't been back in
two years.
3) The article states that Laura's website "began posting articles which reflected negative
views about the resort". People began posting views, not Laura. The site has many registered
users and many visitors who choose not to register. If I was the resort owner, I personally
would have wanted to hear anything and everything that people had to say. Change is good,
but not if it means losing business. You need to find out why your customers are unhappy and
make changes to try and make things right. In my opinion, it was an excellent chance for Herman's to interact and try and understand why people are feeling the way that they do. It
is too easy for us in this day and age to automatically say the discussion is racially motivated and
bury our heads in the sand and not find out the root cause of the issue.
4) "Complaints received from customers, tourists and fishing guides pertaining to your
on-the-water conduct, specifically the use of set-lines and unattended lines during autumn".
Isn't the Chippewa Flowage 17,000 acres? In my opinion, you would have to be specifically
looking for him in order to have a problem with him. There are way too many awesome spots
on the flowage for someone to have a specific problem with one individual and where he was
fishing. This is completely absurd.
5) "600 to 700 feet away"? I urge all of you to go to this exact spot on the flowage and you
will see how outrageous this statement is. "According to Hotspots map". What kind of crap is
that. Anyone who knows anything about the maps, knows that their accuracy is not 100%.
They are to be used as a tool, not a navigational instrument. I have fished this spot many
times (I am a caster, not a shore sitter) and the hump is a stones throw or the length of a
cast away from short - that's it.
6) "Any boater that did not see the musky lines and did not steer clear, could have been
hooked, hit in the head, had line wrapped around their necks, or worse". In my opinion this
was written by someone who really doesn't have a clue. I have never fished in this fashion but
I know for a fact that the lines go directly into the water right away (I have binoculars too and
have gone close enough in my boat). They aren't draped across the lake waiting to take
someone's head off. All Mr. Testounis would have had to do was go and take a closer look.
7) I wasn't going to mention any names here but since the article did, I will go along with it.
Does anyone find it odd that Mr. Testounis just happened to come across Scott Allen. I have
met Scott and talked with him several times in the years that I have ventured to the Chip. I
will state that he has always been cordial to me and I have never had any issues with him
personally. I do know that the issue with the musky study came down to a bottom line issue,
Scott was the coordinator and Ty found issues with the results that were conveyed. I find it
odd that the article didn't mention the fact that Scott Allen works for the tribe. He is the
Financial Director or something to that nature. Why would they just mention that he is a
Hayward Area guide. Guiding is not Scott Allen's full time job. I just find it extremely ironic that
Mr. Testounis happened to come across the individual who has the biggest beef with Ty
Sennett.
8) The wardens who responded to the complaint found no issues. If the wardens found no
issues then why in the world is this thing getting so blown out of proportion. Personal
vendetta in my opinion.
9) Do you know that Laura Morrison is a registered tribal member? Yeah, that's right, she i
part Indian. If Ty Sennett is a racist, like this article is making him out to be, do you think he
would be marrying someone who is part Indian? Come on people………………..
10) Would you really kick someone out of your establishment for writing muskies on the board
himself? That looks so ridiculous in print that I started laughing.
11) Posting the article in Herman's Landing and highlighting Ty and Laura's name? How childish
is that? To me that sounds like a wanted poster. The timing of this couldn't be any better.
The article failed to mention that the Reservation is at a state of emergency right now and the
FBI has been called in to help get things under control. Funny how this gets posted during this
time.
This is the first time I have ever responded to posts such as this. I can't sit back and watch
two people who have done more for the musky industry than you will ever know get bashed
over such crap. This is personal and it doesn't belong on the internet.
Regards,
Scott Jenkins
Musky 'U' Guide Service
http://www.muskyu.com
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| Just a note to the moderators of this board: some of these posts are beginning to to shift towards "bashing"....if we are to be against the bashing, attacks on, and the political manuevering that affects Ty and Laura....then we can't allow for people to be bashed by name here either even if the feeling is that they might be in the wrong. If we say it's wrong on www.musky.com, then it is wrong on MuskieFirst as well.
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| Well, this has progressed to the point where a little history may be in order.
Back when Jason and I were working with another site I was contacted by a very high profile person in the business with sort of an ultimatum. If we didn't cover the story presented, it would break anyway. Not that that was a problem; just that it would have created an 'us against them' scenario between the site I was working for and the other major player at the time.
It seems Ty was working with two of these gents on a 'study' supposedly tracking muskies in the Chip. He was presenting seminars the first year using information the participants had been releasing to the media, and had in his possession some material that seemed to refute all or most of the claims at that point. He was concerned about the issues of accuracy, and questioned one of the gentlemen in the previous post's spotlight. In short, Ty was told to shut up, and quit asking questions. He didn't.
In VERY short order the two principal promoters of the CFMS began a extremely poorly run PR campaign targeting Ty's personal integrity. Classic tactics when one wants to discredit someone presenting an opposing view regarding an issue that might present an opportunity for personal gain. All three of the people involved in the campaign were working on the Chip as guides, or as business owners there on the Chip.
The premise was that fishing had dropped off for muskies there. The core group was resistant to size limits or other restrictions presented to try to begin a recovery there, and the group wished to prove that the fish were still there in the numbers they always were; they had just become 'educated' and were more difficult to capture as a result. After only a few months, the core group was presenting seminars and submitting written 'proof' of the pre-disposed conclusions they wanted to reach. Jason Smith stuck his neck WAY out, and agreed to help me try to get to the bottom of the story. We did.
During this entire process, the three gents mentioned did everything possible to reverse the publication of refuting data and materials, and continued the negative PR campaign against Mr. Sennet. ALL of the involved anglers have shorefished, used suckers,etc in the past as far as I can ascertain. The issue is not shorefishing. The issue is also not just Herman's Landing. I am very familiar with what happened there, and the facts are not well presented in the LCO article, or the poorly paraphrased article on the websites operated by Mr. Sandell.
The issue is these folks REALLY don't like each other. Ty has no interest in continuing the debate or argument. The other principals seem to still be a bit upset.
I don't think Mr. Ramsell has anything to do with the current campaign. I think he is busy fishing!
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