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| Fellas-
I am heading out to the famous Lake X this weekend. I have not been out there since the spring. My concern is that the lake association has ruined the lake and killed 90% of the weeds. If we have a hard cold winter, what will the winter kill be like with a lack of O2. Will the lack of O@ really affect the lake? Will it take 1000's of dead fish stench to make these people realize what they did was wrong? |
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| 90% is a little low. Try 100% You could paint the lake bottom blue and put no diving signs on every dock and it would be appropriate. |
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| Being a resiviour with a small river running through should be ok. The lake has some depth to it's basins so I would be surprised if there was a fishkill.
If there was not a fish kill three years ago when we had two extra months of ice with it being snow covered from november untill late march, then nothing will. |
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| I have contacted the DNR(Jed Pearson)and my response from him is posted on muskyfever.com.Jed's email address is there and I encourage any of you concerned with this lake to email Jed. The more support he gets the quicker we can stop this. The Musky Shakes-Mark
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| You will get more response if you post Jed's email here and save the folks a step or two.
This is a good cause....might take 5 years, but it will be worth it in the long run.[;)] |
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| Anon is right!
Would be silly to ask Jed for help.....on Lake X.[;)] [:)] |
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| I am not so much worried about the short term effects of what do I have to do differently to catch more fish with the elimation of weeds, rather how has it effected the muskies behavior and what effect will that behavior change have on the food chain in that pond. If the non-muskie community starts blaming the muskie stocking program for the loss of their beloved panfish population (which has been there a lot longer then the muskie) we have a public relations nightmare and possible support for continued muskie stocking problem on our hands.
There is not a single weed left standing in a lake that was year after year so dense with weeds in depths to 9ft that you couldn't push a bulldozer through them. Isn't it possiblethat the muskie is now able to feed on a different menu? Couldn't the muskies have changed their behavior to use these vacant flats to easily prowl for pan fish and bass because they are far more vulnerable. Of course its possible that the prey have also changed their tactics/behavior to avoid predation by muskies but we have all heard the b1tching from the bass community about low numbers. Its only a matter of time before they and the soon to be ice fishing communities start blaming the muskies because either they are right, even partially and/or they are unwilling to to change their tactics to catch fish.
This is a problem that needs to be addressed by education IMHO. Some credible source (Read DNR) needs to educate all the different user communities of this pond (through articles in local media which is free) as to what the total elimination of weeds on a small pond does to the ecosystem. Can't wait until all those $40k competition ski boat owners who didn't want little Johnny to fall off his ski into 9ft of weeds have to say when they can't catch a crappie under their doeck this spring. |
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| I was out on web earlier when the 1st wave of True Green was applied. There were many dead perch and shad at the top of the water. These were yearlings to a couple years old. My thoughts are that if the panfish community becomes depleted, the whole food chain is thrown out of whack. Weeds are natural to lakes, but fertilizer isnt. Could the weeds be out of control because of man. Most of the lawns there are rich green, yeah everyone wants a lush green lawn, but at what cost to the lake. Are lake owners partially to blame. The runoff could be affecting the weed growth. |
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| Running Hot, i saw the perch kill,i saw no shad, but yes i agree the perch kill did happen. yea, a aggree that fertilizers probably are one reason why there are so many. Plus, it's just plain fertile water. chopped up weeds will cover any spot not growing weeds and will reproduce there.
I'm kind of tired of the "panfisher's man debate" anyways...i know about PR... I don't think perch/bluegill guys are gonna use this as ammo against the local musky clubs.
Now, the muskies changing their diets due to this...maybe?
I know smaller 'skis do hang shallow and probably do feed on some of the perch, but Indiana waters mostly reflect a musky/shad relationship. so is there behavior going to change?? following the shad around??? i dont' know about his one. The weeds are never there in the fall, so really there is no change, this is consistent every year. So Luke, i think there is no change in behavior that would cause you problems to locate and catch some fish.
Ok, so bass have no where to hide, so you think that you need to start concentrating on finding bass to locate muskies??? Sure muskies eat bass, but i really doubt if they change thier diets and feeding patterns because panfish have few places to hide.
By the way...i was pulling in green weeds 4 days ago, so dont' say there are NO weeds in the lake.
"Couldn't the muskies have changed their behavior to use these vacant flats to easily prowl for pan fish and bass because they are far more vulnerable".....Or, just follow the shad up there like they do every year...
I'm not convinced the weedkill is a bad thing. I don't want to see another "young perch die off" again, but there are still tons of perch in the lake.
"Can't wait until all those $40k competition ski boat owners who didn't want little Johnny to fall off his ski into 9ft of weeds have to say when they can't catch a crappie under their doeck this spring."
I don't think this really happens to much and have you been on the water in the spring, when has there been weed shortage in the spring time???? w/ the river flowage and deep water, i think the 02 (oxygen) levels will be just fine,
tomcat
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| I appreciate all the concern about the lake, but how many of you have e-mailed Jed to voice our concern. I don't know how to post his email to me on this site, but if I need to I will figure it out. I hope you will take these concerns to him. I have fished webster long enough to see what weed-kills have done to the lake. This year was out of control!!!! The fish always return to the same place, but this year was different. Trollers and casters were not catching fish for a long time. Please help the cause-The Musky Shakes-Mark C Filas |
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| Here you go, this is the Indiana DNR e-mail.
[email protected]
I will tell you that you should think before you write. We don't need any offensive e-mails, just positive ones.
Hopefully we can come together and voice our opinion so our needs are taken into consideration as much as the lake associations. |
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| In my opinion, it's not that they killed the weeds but when they did it. Timing can be crucial. Mid to late august is probably one of the worste times for lake condition. Temps have peaked, the oxygen layer has dwindled and the lake is at one of it's most stressful points. If the weeds are to be treated, june would be a better time. Weedkills always screw the clarity and a stress time is not the time to throw a wrench into an ecosystem.
Waubesa had a weedkill in the mid 70's and the high popultaion of white/yellow bass were wiped out and they have yet to make a comeback.
I have a thread about a week or so old, check it out, it has some weed kill info about a warsaw lake that I found interesting. |
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| I talked to a guy I know who lives on the lake so all of this info is second hand.
He says the company that was contracted to do the weed control gave them an 100% guarantee. They put pellets in the lake in spring sometime and we had a lot of rain so there was not an immediate and drastic effect on the weeds. The pellets are time released so they should have worked eventually.
The people who contracted the work complained that the application didn't work. So, the company came back and did it again, and again, and again. They ended up putting in four applications. The last ones were more in the summer. Now remember the time release thing? That ended up wiping out the weeds pretty good. I think everyone would agree 90% or more were gone.
This guy also pan fished twice this year. He wanted to fill a cooler and have a fish fry. He couldn't catch anything. Guess what he blamed his lack of success on? The Musky.
I have to completely disagree about the panfishermen, ice fishermen or even bass guys not going to blame the Musky on their lack of success. No one wants to believe they are the reason for there failure. Especially when such an easy scapegoat is there. Isn't that where no more Musky came from?
In my opinion we always have to worry at least a little about an anti Musky group popping up here. Even if the fishing is good I think the threat is here. I have heard several bass guys say they keep every legal they catch because they eat bass. I have heard this many times over the last two years too.
For what it's worth,
Brian |
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Weed Kill Concern