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| I am looking for a new musky reel for burning double 10s, I am looking at a revo toro or shimano calcutta 400b any suggestions? I cant afford a trinidad or anything in that price range! please help me in making my decision on what reel to buy.
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | Saltist cheap burns |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hiya,
I would lean toward the saltist as well. I don't run one, but I have a buddy that does and he really likes it.
If you are patient enough, you can find used trinidads in a decent price range. I picked up a trinidad 14 earlier this year for under $200, and it is in great shape. Well worth the $$ if you can find one in that price range.
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| Thanks guys, I will definatley take a look at that reel! I was kinda looking for a reel with a reel bar any other suggestions?
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | No words are needed !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| That will be a bit out of his price range although I can't wait to gather together enough scratch to get one. It's going to make the Winter seem much longer . |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Yes it is $499.99 retail. But most guys have 4-6 outfits, and most of there reels will not last more then 1-2 seasons. So U get a Tranx, say the low speed one, it can do DCG10- 13 and ripping of big baits and plastic. Team that with one more outfit say a Toro, Calcutta TE or B, or a Curado for smaller baits, now U have 2 good outfits that will last U for years, instead 4-5 outfits that will only last a season or two. Sometimes less is better. |
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Location: N.FIB | or buy a 700te that will do the same thing as the lower gear ratio tranx and save about 100 bucks |
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| PIKEMASTER - 12/11/2011 10:31 AM
Yes it is $499.99 retail. But most guys have 4-6 outfits, and most of there reels will not last more then 1-2 seasons. So U get a Tranx, say the low speed one, it can do DCG10- 13 and ripping of big baits and plastic. Team that with one more outfit say a Toro, Calcutta TE or B, or a Curado for smaller baits, now U have 2 good outfits that will last U for years, instead 4-5 outfits that will only last a season or two. Sometimes less is better.
did you already try one?
do you know something about the durability? |
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| You can't be serious...
Larry D- "I must own I don't know how many dozens of shimano reels. And I can say without question this new one [tranx] is one of the finest pieces of equipment that has ever been made."
That's good enough for me.
Questioning the durability of shimano reels versus most of the competition is laughable. You get what you pay for. I used to own Abu garcias they didn't last. Same with daiwa reels. I've switched to shimano and I'm never going back.
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Location: St. Lawrence River | i dont recommend a 400b for burning double tens. it will be a workout.. |
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| Richard,
which model of Trans do you advise as all purpose reel( for jerking,very large soft plastics,double #10s-13s ) ?
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | The 6.6 Tranx would be a great burner for DCG 10-13 or to pickup slack line fast on top water. The 4.6 Tranx would be the best all around reel, U could still burn DCG 10-13, U will have to reel in a little faster, and U could use any Tranx all day long casting into wind or not. I hope I can plam the reel it looks like it sits high on the reel seat. The word Shimano says it all. Shimano B, TE, Trinadad, Curado are like the 4 horseman of reels, I don't see any reason the Tranx won't be strong like bull. Watch the V of L - D did U see the 100yd cast or that fish rip off 50yds of line on a lockdown drag. I can't wait to see one at the Chicago Show. |
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| Also for me the 4.6.1 is an all around reel.
One of my friends, who goes fishing for peacock uses reels with ratio 7.1.1 and with a line retrieve of 31''.
The tranx 4.6.1 recovers 30'',so it's really a versatile reel.
Blessed are you !!! You can try and touch the new Tranx in Chicago.
I hope that the reel is presented to the Fishing Show Bologna in February 2012, here in Italy ...
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Location: Northwest WI | WallyGator,
Pepsiboy's questions weren't ridiculous, they were simple questions asking if Pikemaster had first hand knowledge of the Tranx reel. I didn't read anything that challenged the durability of Shimano. PikeMaster did a good job responding on his own.
Your responses to Pepsiboy were a bit over the top. I'll step up to challenge the durability of Shimano reels, and state clearly that, in my opinion, they're no better than any of the other brands you disparage. I have Abu Garcia Morrums's , Diawa CVZ's, and a Diawa Luna that have all served me well for many years. I also have 3 Shimano TE's, one of which is at Dave's reel service right now for repairs after fairly limited use. I have a good friend that bought two 400B's last year and returned them after 1 week casting LOTW...both had failed.
That said, I wouldn't disparage Shimano at large. I also have 2 original Calcutta's that are still in great shape despite years of casting...and I'd sell them to a friend without concern for their durability.
Disclosure: I don't know either you or Pepsiboy. As you said, this is a public forum in which people should feel comfortable asking questions with an expectation for reasonable reply.
Regards,
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| CASTING55 - 12/11/2011 9:59 AM
or buy a 700te that will do the same thing as the lower gear ratio tranx and save about 100 bucks
Gear ratio, line pick up, and overall weight are about the same. Deal breaker for me is lever vs the thumb bar. The 700TE also has a 15lb drag, while the Tranx has a 25lb drag. Does that matter, maybe not, but I would rather have the 25lb of course. Another component in question are the handles. Neither reels has a counter-balanced handle, but I think the 700TE needs a counter-balanced one, while the Tranx will not. To be honest, I'm not really sure about that, but I think that's the way it works. If so, that will add some extra money to the TE (I assume around $50), lessening the price gap between it and the Tranx. I will say, however, that the 700TE seems fairly comparable on paper. |
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| The 700 te would not need a counter-balanced handle due to the fact the reel is disengaged during the cast and the lever needs to be manually engaged to retrieve, the handle will not engage the reel mid-cast. It would be of more concern on a reel that the handle engages the retrieve (i.e. Tranx), though Larry seemed to be whippng the snot out of baits without much worry of the reel prematurely engaging. |
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| Hi guys,
I'm a high school student and really can afford a reel like a 700 or tranx thanks! |
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| If you're on a budget, I'd look at an Abu Garcia 7000C3 or a Diawa Saltist. I've never used the Saltist, but there are tons of reviews on here. The 7000 won't burn per se, but it will pull 10s significantly better than conventional reels.
A Revo Toro Winch will perform similarly to the 7000, but is almost double the price at $270/$280. However, you can often find them in the Buy/Sell section of this forum or on other websites (ebay, Craigslist) in the $200 range. That would be the way to go in my opinion. Check there on a daily basis or post a wanted ad. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | jim saric uses a st croix ac250 or ac300 for nearly every application it seems. on every musky hunter show it tells what gear he will be using and unless he is trolling it seems he is using a st croix ac series reel. and he throws double tens for plenty of hours, im sure. if you could find one of these (thats the issue) it may be a good reel for that budget concious person who would like a quality reel that can take the double tens and others too. |
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Location: Hugo, MN | Judging by the number of guys who say they're buying a Tranx this winter, I'd say you're going to have a good selection of used Trinidads on the buy/sell/trade board. I'd suggest a Trinidad 14 or a 16NA. |
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| True. But you're looking at a $300 minimum on those. The large supply that will be available in the not-so-distant future may lower the price slightly, but I expect everyone is going to want to get as much as they can to put towards a Tranx. If you're going to go the "used" route you can also look for Calcutta 300/400TEs. There will be plenty of those on the market as well. I would expect you could get one for close to $250, possibly less. |
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| WallyGator12000 - 12/11/2011 2:56 PM
You can't be serious...
Larry D- "I must own I don't know how many dozens of shimano reels. And I can say without question this new one [tranx] is one of the finest pieces of equipment that has ever been made."
That's good enough for me.
Questioning the durability of shimano reels versus most of the competition is laughable. You get what you pay for. I used to own Abu garcias they didn't last. Same with daiwa reels. I've switched to shimano and I'm never going back.
My question was not for you, I asked my question of pikemaster because he knows the stuff.
And he doesn't need to base and back his opinion from guys that are on the Shimano payroll.
btw old 7001 and luna are top notch |
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My question was not for you, I asked my question of pikemaster because he knows the stuff.
And he doesn't need to base and back his opinion from guys that are on the Shimano payroll.
The Tranx looks like a tank, the only thing in??? is the dis-engaging level wind system, I like a non-disengaging sytem on braid over 65lbs, that is the only thing I see that I would ???? I saw the pics of the different style handles on the H/S and L/S reels, I don't get that one, so I will ck them out at the Chicago Musky show. |
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Location: Minnetonka | WallyGator12000 - 12/11/2011 1:56 PM
Questioning the durability of shimano reels versus most of the competition is laughable. You get what you pay for. I used to own Abu garcias they didn't last. Same with daiwa reels. I've switched to shimano and I'm never going back.
Amen brother!
Niagara, while the Saltist is affordable and has the capacity to burn big blades, its durability doesn't match a Shimano's. Over the last 3 years, I've found that the Torium 14 is the equally durable, half-priced cousin to the Trinidad 14. Same reel, made with slightly different parts. You should be able to get one for $160. Good luck burning. 
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| Knooter nailed it...everyone's chasing a rainbow every show season and dumps good gear in favour of the newest gear. It happens like clock work. The stuff they\ll be dumping this winter was the hot fad last winter or the winter before. You can set your watch by it. And like pepsiboy and others have said, the 7000s, Calcutta 700s etc are names that pop up and stay popular year after year because of their track record.
You don't have to pay full pop for anything and swap boards here and elsewhere are excellent for buying good gear that guys let go. There are guys who buy/upgrade every year just on principle, whether the new stuff is worth switching to or not. You can and should cash in on that! |
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| With your price range, I'd look for a gold used trinidad 14... The Torium Hammskie mentioned looks pretty tolerable too, but with soooo many people buying the silver Trinidads, and Tranx, there should be a good amount of gold model trinidads for a good price..
Here is a 16 for sale, but I personaly would look for a size 14..
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=69... |
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Location: Contrarian Island | revo toro, C3, St Croix AC300 ???? are you guys serious? he did say burning... which simply can't be attained for a day of fishing with those 3....very few reels really burn big blades..Trinidads, Saltists, Avets are about it... if you are on a budget imo pick up a good used gold 14 or 16 Narrow Trinidad, 16NA which you'll find some good used ones or a new Saltist 20 size ... |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Burning to me is 35" per turn of the handle and up. |
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| BNelson
How do you define "burning"?
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Location: Contrarian Island | burning is faster than you can reel w a revo toro or 7000C3! ; ) |
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| True. A 7000C3 will never burn them, but it's a cheap reel that will allow you to at least use 10s. It pulls them significantly easier than a BPS Muskie Angler (Maina) reel, Shimano Corvalus/Cardiff, or other reels in the $100+ range. For a high-school-kid-budget I don't think it's that bad of reel. However, I think he could get a variety of used reels at a comparable price that would be significantly better for 10s. |
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| I'd wait a year, and buy a used Tranx. Whatever hot new model is rolling off the presses today is almost guaranteed to be sold used in great numbers next season. It happened with the Millionaires, then the AC300's, the Luna's, The Trinidad's, Saltists, and the Revo's. No reason to think next year will be any different, because next year somebody will come out with "the best reel ever" and everybody will be selling their gear to scrape the money together to buy the new one. |
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| At least 30" per turn |
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| niagaramusky - 12/14/2011 10:02 PM
At least 30" per turn
Can you clarify whether you would consider buying a used reel? That will significantly narrow down the options and opinions. |
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Location: NorthCentral WI | What's available in left hand models?
Saltist no, Trinidad no, Torium no, Tranx no.
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| Used or new I'd prefer new but it does not matter |
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| Used or new I'd prefer new but it does not matter |
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| Ok. Let's narrow it down some more.
1) What's your budget? Or at least the absolute most you're willing to pay?
2) Have you ever tried a conventional baitcaster (no levelwind; i.e.: Trinidad)? Would you consider trying to learn how to use one? |
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| Yes I have used conventional and can use them. my price range is 250 and below. Also is there a reel that I can use for double tens that is more all purpose but won't die in a season if I throw them from time to time.( reason I was looking at callcutta b and revo toro) |
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| I would say a used Calcutta 400TE would be a much better choice if you want an all-around reel, and I'm sure you can get a used one for that price. It is a quality reel that is built to last. You're only going to get 25" per turn, so you're going to have to work a little harder to burn, but it is unbelievably better than a B or a Toro. |
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| Thanks for the help I'll look into that reel and out of curiosity what are your thoughts on avets |
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| I've never tried one personally. A lot of people have used them for 10s. I think Avets will burn (don't quote me on that), but I'm not sure how they have held up. There are a bunch of old posts about them on here. I'm not sure which models are preferred, but I'm fairly certain they are conventional-type reels. They're also made in America. |
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| Thanks for the help I'll look into that reel and out of curiosity what are your thoughts on avets |
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| Burning to most is a reel that will turn 30-35" or more per crank. I have used a trinidad and own a saltist 20. I also have two Avets a lefty and a righty. All three are good reels. The Avets have lever drags which make them a bit harder to use for some......I love lever drags though.
Unless it is important to only reel at high speeds all day, I would recommend the saltist 20 with a levelwind. You can usually find those at a good price.
Very few people actually "burn" all day. I have actually never seen it no matter whom I have fished with. |
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Location: Denmark | JakeStCroixSkis - 12/12/2011 5:35 PM
jim saric uses a st croix ac250 or ac300 for nearly every application it seems. on every musky hunter show it tells what gear he will be using and unless he is trolling it seems he is using a st croix ac series reel. and he throws double tens for plenty of hours, im sure. if you could find one of these (thats the issue) it may be a good reel for that budget concious person who would like a quality reel that can take the double tens and others too.
Jim Saric also probably get a new reel every 6 month. The St Criox reel is made by Daiwa, and is similar to the Daiwa Luna. There are better reels, for less money. With prober maintenance the ABU Inshore classic with Steel Gears, or even the Amb 7000 it will outlast the St Criox/Luna 10:1.
I have serviced several Lunas, and the CNC frame is too fragile(IMO), for Big-bait aplications. Documentation on this is available here
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=2087.msg18570#msg18570 |
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Location: Smith Creek | The AC250 that Saric uses were discontinued about 4 years ago so he's still using those. Should say something about those reels durability with proper maintenance.
I bought an Avet last year (SX 5.3 MC) and while I can't speak for it's durability I really like the reel for burning 10's. I think it takes 29-30 inches per turn but it's easy to pop a non-weighted double 10 out of the water with it.
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Location: Denmark | But Pikemaster I agree, it's one of the best build reels, but not the strongest.
A picture says more than 1000 words. I have seen this kind of cracks tree times now on Lunas. That this type of reel works for Saric it great for him, and if Pikemaster service his reels, it speaks for him as well.
But the facts is that some Daiwa CNC frames have problems, at least those sold over here. Why this happens I don't know for sure, but the Saltiga appears to have the same problem, Alan Tani reported. Over torqued screws might be the source, but this should not happened so frequently. But later revisions might have solved the problem, I don't know?.
The problem is well known when doing CNC cut bicycle parts in Alu, Thin part can't be done strong enough because CNC cutting changes the structures of the metal.
The worlds largest maker of bicycle parts(Shimano) seems to know that too 
NB. Take a look at the tricky screwhole to the left, If you do that kind of experiments in the Polytechnic school, you will not pass your first year.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | WOW I thought the guys here in the USA only abused there reels. Never have seen that before on any Shimano or Daiwa reels. But like I said any reel brand can and will break if it is abused. Maybe that was a bad batch of frames ??? |
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Location: Denmark | Maybe, and the "Luna" has more positive features than negative ones. |
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| I have the opportunity to buy a Calcutta 200 GT for a pretty reasonable price. Rather than start a new topic I thought I would just ask (since the search function wouldn't work for me). Think it will hold up better than my 6500 C3 for throwing 10's? |
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| Pay close attention to Sarics shows this winter you'll see that he is using a Trinidad 16NA quite often when casting blades. |
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| I would check into the Avet's or maybe Okuma Cortez. Those have the inches per turn to burn with. Wish I could find a decent review on the Cortez. |
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Location: Central Minnesota | Although reel speed is the most important when burning bucktails, there are other ways to gain speed on your retrieve. In a 2011 issue of Musky Hunter, one of the authors interviews Jason Hamernick. He talks about a technique where he sweeps his 9+ ft rod from one side to the other as he burns in the bait. These added sweeps create extra speed which could trigger more strikes. Just something to think about. |
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