big fall muskie
jake_18
Posted 11/14/2011 8:39 AM (#524558)
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This is a story I would like to share not only for the size of the fish, but the release story. This fish got lined wrapped around her while I was reeling her in and used alot of energy and had its equalibrium messed up more than usual.I quickly took a pic and put her back in the water and she had no stregth and couldnt get upright, there were 2to3 footers as well, we continued to do this for about 20 minutes and nothing. at this point we had to do something else because the waves were to big and I didnt want to run the risk of drowning her. I filled the livewell up and put her in there and recirclulated the water for prob close to an hour as i kept my hand on her the whole time so she wasnt rocking around. She was gradually gaining strength and moving her fins around and her color was great and at no time was there any blood. after an hour we put her back in the water and she immediatley regained her strength and was upright swimming on top for about 10 minutes and soon dove her nose down and kicked her tail over and over down she went!!! I sat in the area for another 10 minutes and no sign of her. This was such a great ending to a great catch.



Jake Grant


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sworrall
Posted 11/14/2011 9:04 AM (#524564 - in reply to #524558)
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Nice work and beautiful fish!
gregk9
Posted 11/14/2011 10:46 AM (#524584 - in reply to #524558)
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Congrats!!! What a beauty!!!
ManitouDan
Posted 11/14/2011 11:50 AM (#524590 - in reply to #524558)
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SUPER CATCH AND STORY
Giant
Posted 11/14/2011 1:05 PM (#524603 - in reply to #524558)
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Awesome! What did you catch it on, color, etc? Thanx
Pointerpride102
Posted 11/14/2011 1:10 PM (#524604 - in reply to #524603)
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Cool story. Did you stop fishing for the day? Only reason I ask, is that when putting a fish in your livewell it generally is counted toward your bag limit. Most big musky regulations only allow 1 in the bag per day, thus your limit would have been filled for the day and continuing fishing would technically be against the law. I'm not saying you purposely were breaking the law, just a heads up. Honestly after a fish like that, I'd quit for the day and go have a beer.
bnelson
Posted 11/14/2011 1:18 PM (#524605 - in reply to #524558)
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something tells me a warden knowing the specifics isn't going to write a ticket for this...we did the same thing w a 54.5 a couple yrs ago in Minny and the last thing I was concerned about when we put it in my livewell was whether or not my buddy could keep fishing...and he did...and we caught more big ones... ; )
nice fish!
Pointerpride102
Posted 11/14/2011 1:26 PM (#524608 - in reply to #524605)
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bnelson - 11/14/2011 12:18 PM

something tells me a warden knowing the specifics isn't going to write a ticket for this...we did the same thing w a 54.5 a couple yrs ago in Minny and the last thing I was concerned about when we put it in my livewell was whether or not my buddy could keep fishing...and he did...and we caught more big ones... ; )
nice fish!


All depends on the warden/CO. I don't disagree with you, but I also know several who frankly don't care and follow the letter of the law and would instantly write a ticket for this.
bnelson
Posted 11/14/2011 1:27 PM (#524609 - in reply to #524558)
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oh well, I drive over the speed limit too.... if you know what I mean.
Pointerpride102
Posted 11/14/2011 2:47 PM (#524624 - in reply to #524609)
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bnelson - 11/14/2011 12:27 PM

oh well, I drive over the speed limit too.... if you know what I mean.


You're just one bad dude, livin' on the wild side.

Edited by Pointerpride102 11/14/2011 2:51 PM
lifeisfun
Posted 11/14/2011 2:50 PM (#524625 - in reply to #524558)
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Location: Ontario
Awesome, what a beauty!
Tackle Industries
Posted 11/14/2011 5:13 PM (#524634 - in reply to #524558)
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PIIIIIGGGY!
CASTING55
Posted 11/14/2011 5:55 PM (#524637 - in reply to #524634)
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if one guy is fishing that should be ok,the guy who caught the fish wasn`t fishing and that fish would count as his one for the day as long as it`s in the live well,thats what I would think.
Esocidae
Posted 11/14/2011 6:55 PM (#524646 - in reply to #524558)
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Congrats on a job well done!!!
Pedro
Posted 11/14/2011 8:16 PM (#524657 - in reply to #524558)
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That is a tank!
djwilliams
Posted 11/14/2011 9:11 PM (#524663 - in reply to #524608)
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know several who frankly don't care and follow the letter of the law and would instantly write a ticket for this.

The ones I have known would thank you for working it and releasing it, get your name, shake your hand, drive off and because of your efforts would'nt care whether you continued to fish or not.
Pointerpride102
Posted 11/14/2011 9:23 PM (#524667 - in reply to #524663)
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djwilliams - 11/14/2011 8:11 PM

know several who frankly don't care and follow the letter of the law and would instantly write a ticket for this.

The ones I have known would thank you for working it and releasing it, get your name, shake your hand, drive off and because of your efforts would'nt care whether you continued to fish or not.


As with many I know as well. But just as many would. Just a friendly reminder. Don't think I said I wanted the guy to get a ticket. And I think it is kind of a dumb rule, at least regarding muskies.
dehno23
Posted 11/14/2011 10:13 PM (#524678 - in reply to #524604)
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dont you guys have anything better to do then harass a guy for trying to let a fish go lol...............outrageous. GREAT FISH jake and thats awsome you guys got her to go back! by the way they spent alot of time while not even fishing to get this fish back.

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ski glider
Posted 11/15/2011 5:54 AM (#524694 - in reply to #524558)
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Nice fish jake congradulations on a fine catch and release.Thanks for posting your story and pic .
Guest
Posted 11/15/2011 7:38 AM (#524701 - in reply to #524558)
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Great story Jake, thanks for sharing !!
Chris Munchow
Posted 11/15/2011 8:10 AM (#524702 - in reply to #524558)
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Nice job Jake, we had to do the same thing with a 52.5 x 25.75 I got yesterday. Handled her well, put her back and she couldn't keep herself up. Took turns holding her for 20-min or so then made the decision to put her in the 60-inch live well. When we put her in she was still having trouble staying up but we kept the aerator on and you could actually see her gradually get stronger. We were at then end of our trip anyway so we slowly motored back toward our cabin watching her close. When we let her go, had she rolled over again one time I would have had to make the really tough call but when she got back in the lake she never did. We watched her swim in the shallows for another 20-mins or so and wished her the best. At close to two hours by far the longest release process I've ever been involved with but I really didn't want to bring her home. Done this successfully with largemouth many times and assuming you have a live well that the fish can fit in it's worth a shot.

CM




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jake_18
Posted 11/15/2011 8:32 AM (#524703 - in reply to #524702)
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chris,

First off awesome fish!!! Sounds alot like my story, this is the first time ive had to do it, and it was a great call and worked awesome. Great story and again awesome fish!!!

Jake
jake_18
Posted 11/15/2011 8:35 AM (#524704 - in reply to #524702)
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chris,

First off awesome fish!!! Sounds alot like my story, this is the first time ive had to do it, and it was a great call and worked awesome. Great story and again awesome fish!!!

Jake
Guest
Posted 11/15/2011 8:36 AM (#524705 - in reply to #524604)
Subject: Live Wells and Possession WI


Don't know about other states, but in Wisconsin the interpretation is if the fish is put in the live well and then the boat is moved under power, then you are done for the day. If you don't move the boat under power you are OK.
brmusky
Posted 11/15/2011 8:58 AM (#524707 - in reply to #524558)
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As far as I know - not every state is like WI. I don't think MN has any regulations requiring you to quit angling once you have reached your daily/possession limit. There are regulations about culling/sorting but not about fishing after you have reached your limit.

Nice fish!
Storm Strike
Posted 11/15/2011 10:38 AM (#524716 - in reply to #524707)
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Congrats on a fish of a lifetime--Hope she survives!
firstsixfeet
Posted 11/15/2011 2:39 PM (#524735 - in reply to #524558)
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Evidently the day was slow for internet squabbles for PP.

Nice fish.
Pointerpride102
Posted 11/15/2011 2:41 PM (#524736 - in reply to #524735)
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firstsixfeet - 11/15/2011 1:39 PM

Evidently the day was slow for internet squabbles for PP.

Nice fish.


So it is ok for muskie anglers to break the law, but it isn't ok for someone to harvest a muskie according to the law? Got it.
Jonesi Unplugged
Posted 11/15/2011 3:20 PM (#524737 - in reply to #524558)
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Great fish Jake! And Chris!! Had a similar release situation last week. Unable to use the livewell due to it's size(and the size of the fish) , I got out of the boat and worked with the fish for what seemed like an eternity. Minimal handling and she just wouldn't stay upright. Past my boots in the water(#*^@ rocks!!), in a calm little cup along the shorline , she made her recovery. Her stomach seemed a bit distended and I literally ran my hand along the belly, toward the front of the fish and the crazy fish burped! Air bubbles came from her mouth and she finally stayed upright and swam away. Whatever it takes......anybody make a mobile boot dryer????
dougj
Posted 11/15/2011 4:12 PM (#524742 - in reply to #524736)
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Ontario has a regulation that speciifally allows you to continue fishing after you have your limit. 

This from the 2011 Ontario Regs.

Doug Johnson

Generally, daily catch limits include all fish that are retained for any period of time and not immediately released. Anglers fishing from a boat may now catch, hold, and selectively live release more walleye, northern pike, largemouth or smallmouth bass than the daily limit, provided:

(a) the fish are held in a livewell with a mechanical aerator operating at all times, (see Anglers Guide, page 8, for livewell requirements)

(b) the fish comply with any applicable size limits,

(c) the Sport or Conservation Fishing Licence daily catch and retain limits for walleye or northern pike are not exceeded at any one time,

(d) no more than six largemouth or smallmouth bass (or any combination) caught under a Sport Fishing Licence are retained at any one time, and

(e) the Conservation Fishing Licence catch and retain limits for largemouth and smallmouth bass (or any combination) are not exceeded at any one time.

Anglers are reminded to closely monitor the condition of fish held in a livewell. Only fish that are in such a condition that they will survive may be released (see Tips on Live Release of Fish, page 10). Releasing a fish that will not survive and allowing the flesh of that fish to be wasted is an offence. Any fish not live-released are part of your daily catch and retain limit.



Edited by dougj 11/15/2011 4:13 PM
Andy
Posted 11/15/2011 4:15 PM (#524743 - in reply to #524558)
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Really nice fish, congrats. and a better job keeping her alive. In all cases, it's our job and responsibility to do whatever it takes to keep these fish alive.

Nicely done. Relax Barn.
Pointerpride102
Posted 11/15/2011 4:23 PM (#524745 - in reply to #524742)
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dougj - 11/15/2011 3:12 PM

Ontario has a regulation that speciifally allows you to continue fishing after you have your limit. 

This from the 2011 Ontario Regs.

Doug Johnson

Generally, daily catch limits include all fish that are retained for any period of time and not immediately released. Anglers fishing from a boat may now catch, hold, and selectively live release more walleye, northern pike, largemouth or smallmouth bass than the daily limit, provided:

(a) the fish are held in a livewell with a mechanical aerator operating at all times, (see Anglers Guide, page 8, for livewell requirements)

(b) the fish comply with any applicable size limits,

(c) the Sport or Conservation Fishing Licence daily catch and retain limits for walleye or northern pike are not exceeded at any one time,

(d) no more than six largemouth or smallmouth bass (or any combination) caught under a Sport Fishing Licence are retained at any one time, and

(e) the Conservation Fishing Licence catch and retain limits for largemouth and smallmouth bass (or any combination) are not exceeded at any one time.

Anglers are reminded to closely monitor the condition of fish held in a livewell. Only fish that are in such a condition that they will survive may be released (see Tips on Live Release of Fish, page 10). Releasing a fish that will not survive and allowing the flesh of that fish to be wasted is an offence. Any fish not live-released are part of your daily catch and retain limit.



Thanks for posting Doug. That law is pretty well written, and I think it could be easily adopted in WI and MN. I only see one problem with the rule. If a guy catches a musky and it is struggling, puts it in the livewell with the aerator running to revive, then has the fortune to catch another but it swallows a bulldog and injures its gills and is now also struggling. Now say the original livewell fish doesn't pull through. Assuming the bag limit is 1, the guy now has two fish that won't survive......

A scenario that isn't likely to happen often, but the potential is there. A simple addition to the law saying that muskies must be released alive from livewell prior to returning to fishing would solve this issue.
dougj
Posted 11/15/2011 4:59 PM (#524750 - in reply to #524745)
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PP: 

I believe this regulation was written to mostly cover Bass and Walleye tournaments.

I'm not sure about all states that Bass and Walleye tournaments are run, but it seems to be a very common practice to "cull" even though you have your limit, and continue fishing. I know this is done in Minnesota, and no doubt in Wisconsin, as well as every state that I've seen Bass and Walleye tournaments run.

No doubt the CO's are aware of the money that these tourneys produce, as well as the $ that muskie fishermen bring to the areas, and aren't real worried about you having a muskie in the livewell for revival proposes.

I doubt that any muskie fisherman alive would have two muskies in his live well at the same time!

Doug Johnson



Edited by dougj 11/15/2011 5:01 PM
ski glider
Posted 11/15/2011 5:04 PM (#524752 - in reply to #524558)
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Its going to be a long winter its already started
Pointerpride102
Posted 11/15/2011 5:17 PM (#524754 - in reply to #524750)
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dougj - 11/15/2011 3:59 PM

PP: 

I believe this regulation was written to mostly cover Bass and Walleye tournaments.

I'm not sure about all states that Bass and Walleye tournaments are run, but it seems to be a very common practice to "cull" even though you have your limit, and continue fishing. I know this is done in Minnesota, and no doubt in Wisconsin, as well as every state that I've seen Bass and Walleye tournaments run.

No doubt the CO's are aware of the money that these tourneys produce, as well as the $ that muskie fishermen bring to the areas, and aren't real worried about you having a muskie in the livewell for revival proposes.

I doubt that any muskie fisherman alive would have two muskies in his live well at the same time!

Doug Johnson



You are right, the likelihood is unlikely. However, the original poster had his musky in his possession for around 1 hour and 20 minutes. The way the Ontario law is written, if someone put a struggling fish in the running livewell then continued on fishing while waiting for the fish to hopefully revive, it is plausible that someone could catch another musky within an hour and twenty minutes. I've caught more than one fish in less than that amount of time, and as we've established in this thread I suck at musky fishing! If that fish gets hooked bad and isn't going to survive and the fish in the livewell expires.......Now you are over your bag limit.

Again, an unlikely scenario, I realize, but it isn't an impossible scenario. Someone who isn't well versed in musky fishing could potentially get pinched if he doesn't fully understand the law.
Ja Rule
Posted 11/15/2011 5:34 PM (#524757 - in reply to #524558)
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Great fish, great story!
bass hole
Posted 11/16/2011 7:25 AM (#524807 - in reply to #524558)
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Doug, culling is illegal in Wisconsin, that is probably why we don't get a lot of big time bass tournaments.

Once a fish is put in your livewell it is considered a kept fish in Wisconsin. It made for interesting strategies for the pros when ESPN had a tournament in Madison a few years ago.
erico
Posted 11/16/2011 7:36 AM (#524809 - in reply to #524807)
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Location: Hayward WI
Actually, culling is now legal for DNR permitted bass tourneys as of this summer. Only applies to bass though.

http://dnr.wi.gov/news/DNRNews_article_Lookup.asp?id=1808
B
Posted 11/16/2011 3:17 PM (#524848 - in reply to #524754)
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Pointer

The original poster didn't say anything about fishing while the fish was in the live well. What do you think he did, just plop her in there and shut the top and kept fishing in that heavy wind? Always someone that doesn't really fish that has to criticize.

Oh, I know, what if a muskie jumped in the boat while it was in the live well, hit the motor and died. Man, he would be in trouble then!!

What a beast Jake but next time you should go to the landing to revive a fish and watch out for jumping muskies!!