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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | 151K and in the shop again for the transmission. Might be time for a new tow vehicle. I pull a Tuffy 1760 C with a 150 and 9.9 kicker, would like to stay in a SUV and I have to admit I prefer japanese vehicles.
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Nissan Armada
Get a vehicle with the tow package. The Forerunner you have doesn't have a trans cooler, and running it in 5th gear, it shifts down to third to climb hills all the time, heating up the tranny, which damages the seals. I know the book says it'll pull that much trailer weight, but this is a situation where overkill is a good thing.
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| I'm on my second Armada (first one got totaled by some B that was texting and driving). It's probably overkill for that boat but I love them (over 9k towing capacity. Just towed my dad's 25' Pursuit like nothing). I had a big payout from the insurance co and could pick anything and chose the Nissan again. It's big (you may not like that) but it's powerful, fast and pretty reliable. You can also get them used cheaper then a lot of the competition. |
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Location: Delavan, WI | I know you prefer Japanese , but have to admit I Love my 07 Suburban 2500 -its got a very powerful 6.0 L engine & on my last trip - fully loaded and pulling a Ranger 690vs it averaged 12.9 mpg- not too shabby if you ask me for the amount of room and the comfort it provides. |
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| Earlier this year i traded my F150 for a toyota Sequioa. Very happy with my new SUV. This truck has more balls than my f150 ever did to be honest. Rides smoother, tows better, and gets better mpg. I got the limited with the tow package and can tow up to 9k lbs i think. I never really paid any attention to foreign tow vehicles but after some of the problems i had with my F150 i decided i wanted something with a little more quality. I found it. I tow a 1850 Ranger Reata with a 175 4S so i have a large heavy boat and it tows it just fine. |
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| As much trouble as you have had with your Japenese vehicles, maybe, just maybe, it's time to look to Ford, GM, or Dodge.
I've put over 500K miles on my first 2 F150's since 1983, and neither ever had a major issue with motor or transmission. And my new F150 has been flawless as well the first 30K. I average 18 MPG with it, and pulling the boat(Tuffy 1890) I get about 14.
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| Do youself a favor and at least test drive a 2011 F-150 crewcab with the Ecoboost engine. Tons of cab space, incredible towing power, and over 20mpg on the highway. The new explorers are awfully nice, too. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Ford has it going on ... although i did have to really struggle through the great "o-ring" problem of my 6.0 litre turbo-diesel, i'm past the design problem and moving past 220k miles on the same tranny, second set of brakes and 3rd set of tires on my way to a 500K miles goal.
i bought a 2011 Ford Taurus SHO with the new eco-boost motor that is north of 400HP and after seeing the new explorer and F150 designs can tell you that the next generation Fords (of today ... 2011) are fantastic in all regards. the "smart" features built-in are so convenient it's hard to imagine ever being without this kind of connectivity to your data/music etc.... by smartphone tie-ins.
i know the foreign vehicles have similar technology built-in but Ford is definitely made some major moves in the past 5 years. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Thanks for the advice guys. However, I'm NOT getting a pickup, so please just give advice in the SUV way!
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Location: minocqua, wi. | go check out the new Ford Explorer Slamr ... i believe they have the new eco-boost motor and all that comes along. |
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Location: Valparaiso, Indiana | Chevy Tahoe....come see me at
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Location: Lebanon,Mo | Personally...I would stick with an American based vehicle if possible when it comes to larger vehicles.The larger rice burners have not be around as long as our bigger suvs,pickups,etc. and think they would last a bit longer.Plus,if im not mistaken insurance is also cheaper....but it's your ride.
Im sitting on a '04 Explorer with the 4.6 and with 197,000 on it and though it had a new tranny at 140,000,it's been a great vehicle and it's been through some wild stuff.Plan on putting another 50k on it as it shows no sign of stopping...
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| rrrr...Godzirra!
i've got a Ram truck and my wife has a Jeep suv, both have been flawless performers for us the past few years...so i've been intrigued by the new Dodge Durango. i haven't been in one, but they look interesting and we've had a good experience with the brand.
http://www.dodge.com/en/2011/durango/index.html
available V8 Hemi with transmission cooler, but i think you'd be better served with the V6 version - saves on cost up front, mileage, etc and still plenty capable for your towing needs.
they're targeting the Ford Explorer head-to-head.
http://www.dodge.com/en/2011/suv/#compareChart
Sled's right: i'll pay extra for the connectivity upgrades in my next vehicle, and they're all coming with pretty cool option packages.
one interesting thing about the economy right now: slow sales of new vehicles the past few years have shot used car values to historic highs and actually means that buying the right new car can be (for the first time ever) a better value than late model used.
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Location: Eagle River, WI | We have a 2011 Honda Pilot that has pulled my 1850 crestliner flawlessly. This is our second one and my wife really likes the pilot. It has alot of room for a smaller suv. It's not as nice as pulling with my 2011 6.7 cummins, but it does a nice job when I need an extra vehicle to do some towing.
Sled, you must be the only person in the world that has had a 6.0 powerjunk that has that many miles on it. I have had 3 of them through our business and I have yet to get 30k out of one without a major engine issue. i.e, headbolts, turbos, tranny issues, waste gate issues, and the fact that they are so loud, you have to drive them with headphones on.
P.S. Dodge's U-connect is one of the coolest features I have ever had on a vehicle. Other than the pictures of my kids/muskies that I uploaded to my radio. My Dad has one of the new F-150's that is pretty tricked out and I know that he has that on it, I just have never had any time to play with it.
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Location: Eagle River, WI | One more thing. The only bad part about the Pilot is that even though I ordered it with the towing package on it, it still doesn't have a rear trailer wiring harness. You can't even order it as an option. You have to have a dealer install it, and it is no small feat. The harness alone was somewhere's in the $200 range. Then, they nicked me for another $150 to install it. FYI |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i drive 50-60K miles a year for 15 years or so now mostly due to work. in my experience i loved the dodges but they all needed new trannies like clockwork at 90k miles (3 of them). the fords have been better (wish i'd kept the 7.3 litre). the 6.0 was a design flaw and if you have one it's a matter of fixing a now known problem ... problem is not all know how to fix them. i putzed around until finding out that Ford didn't know how to fix them but East Side Auto in Rhinelander figured it out and it's been great ever since. i will make 500k on it no problem.
slamr is not a pickup guy so he's looking suv ... i had a durango once and would expect the mileage might be better with this newer version? ... mine got around 8 mpg when dropped off a cliff ... total POS, but dated with a 318 V-8. i wouldn't go near a durango from the experience, but maybe the new ones are better. my '99 6 cylinder cummins turbo-diesel ... that was a dandy!!! i'd buy a new tranny and be happy about it if it weren't for the noise. the '05 dually HO cummins was like driving an airplane.
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Location: Uxbridge Ontario | Prefer Japanese vehicles... Is that what you drive now?
There is some pretty good stuff at Ford these days. I have had nothing but good luck with them for years and years. Have a look at the new Explorer. 6000lb towing capacity, 6cyl engine with 290hp and runs something like 24mpg.
I have one on order for my wife... not that it is a "womens car" or anything. There are really nice.
I just read through the other posts and it looks like a lot of you other guys keep the new explorers highly ranked as well. But, the Explorer will not have the EcoBoost for 2012, BTW. I waited for it to come out, as it was not offered in '11 either. Dropped the ball a little bit IMO. But the 290hp 6-cyl they offer is really nice too.
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they were waiting on EPA certification...which they just received for a 4-cylinder ecoboost explorer. turbocharged or not, that's a pretty small motor to consider for towing purposes compared to a standard V6.
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| Lambeau, have you see the towing limits for the 3.5L V-6 Ecoboost? In an F-150 they have a max of over 5 tons and a torque curve that will make you forget there is a boat behind you. On a smaller vehicle the wheelbase is a significant factor, but they could probably make a 4 cylinder Ecoboost tow better than most 6's and maybe even some of the small 8's.
Anyway, the Explorer with the new TiVCT V-6 will tow a 1760 aboslutely without a problem. I have a friend who tows a Ranger Angler 1860 with his Explorer and no problems whatsoever -- very comfortable ride. Explorer's towing capacity is 5,000#.
http://www.ford.com/suvs/explorer/specifications/towing/
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and yes, a V6 (regardless of brand) is a good fit for what Slamr describes.
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | lambeau - 8/16/2011 7:04 AM
i had a durango once and would expect the mileage might be better with this newer version?
Durango:
16/22 in the AWD and 16/23 in RWD V6 versions.
5 yr/100,000 mile warranty
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20/28 with a FWD V6 version
5 yr/60,000 mile warranty
it's worth noting that the difference between 16 and 20 mpg is _much_ bigger and more important than the difference between, say, 26 and 30 mpg. think of it in terms of a percentage of your total fuels costs...4mpg on the low-end is a much larger percentage so much more savings.
how many miles do you put on per year, Slamr? 20,000? it changes the warranty term dramatically, and 40k extra is 1-2 years longer coverage.
After owning Durango's as the last two primary tow vehicles I wouldn't hesitate to get another. My boat is similar in weight to the Tuffy 1760 and without question I would get the hemi on the next one. Gas mileage might not be the 20-21 I get on the highway w/ the 4.3 but I'm also not going to get the huge drop with the boat in tow (usually getting 14-15.5). |
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| Slamr,
I went from toyota back to a couple american made trucks, now back in a tacoma, huge downgrade in experience going domestic in trucks. You will not be pleased, buying domestic is like setting the hook and ending up with a small pike. BR |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Get a VW Bus, an old one. That will need to be towed allot. |
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Location: Des Moines IA | My 2003 Dodge Ram quad cab 4X4 is rated to tow 8400 lbs. It absolutely hates towing my 2000 pound Tuffy. Just because a vehicle is rated to tow 6000 pounds doesn't mean it will be good at it. If it had the 5.9 instead of the 4.7, and the factory tow package, I'm sure my truck would be a totally different animal. As it is, I tow the boat with the overdrive off, and she get's the job done, but chews through fuel. Slamr wants a Japanese full size SUV, so his choices are Nissan Armadas, and Toyota Sequoias, 5 and a half liter V8s with a factory tow package, either one will do the job nicely. Overkill is a good thing. |
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Location: c.wis | cant beat the yukon/tahoe. but the longer wheelbase of the burban or yukon xl makes for a softer ride. went from the burban to the yukon and i like the burban better. pulls awsome and tons of room inside for all the gear, plus the fam. i pull a alum boat most of the time but i have used it for a glass sailboat thats around 6k and pulls that w/ ease |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | One other major consideration that does not come into play or thought very often for SUV owners is the rear axle ratio.
3.27 will feel like you are never going to get to highway speed because it is just a dog.
3.55 will be feel underpowered for a v6 towing anywhere over 3500 lbs.
3.92 is a much better axle ratio for towing heavy loads.
my 2010 Dodge ram with the 5.7 hemi 4x4 gets 17.8 mpg on average towing dad's lund on the two lane roads to the lake. I would say look into the jeep grand cherokee or durango based on my positive experience with Dodge. This is my 3rd Dodge and none have ever had any tranny or engine problems other than a water pump at 145k. |
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| BenR - 8/16/2011 9:12 PM
Slamr,
I went from toyota back to a couple american made trucks, now back in a tacoma, huge downgrade in experience going domestic in trucks. You will not be pleased, buying domestic is like setting the hook and ending up with a small pike. BR
And that's why Ford outsells Toyota 3:1 in trucks. Toyota didn't even make a real (full size) truck until the recent Tundra came out in 07. |
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| buy ford have two ford suvs.please stay away from toyota its not worth it.old fords last and can be affordable . b ramit |
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Location: North Central IL USA | Shep - 8/15/2011 8:41 AM
I've put over 500K miles on my first 2 F150's since 1983, and neither ever had a major issue with motor or transmission.
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| 0723 - 8/18/2011 11:31 AM
buy ford have two ford suvs.please stay away from toyota its not worth it.old fords last and can be affordable . b ramit
Why stay away from Toyota's??? I have had two 4runners in 21years. My first one was a 89' drove it till 2000 traded it in on a 1998 for $3500 it had 196,000 miles on it. I still have the 98' 11years later changed one starter and had one other 500 dollar repair. Its got 187,000 miles on it and still no sign of giving up. I know that it won't be good to tow huge 21ft rangers. My brother had two f150's both of them ended up needing a new transmission at about 65,000 miles he has now had a tundra for 100,000 miles with zero trouble. So again I ask why stay away from toyota's??
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| Guest - 8/15/2011 10:37 AM
Do youself a favor and at least test drive a 2011 F-150 crewcab with the Ecoboost engine. Tons of cab space, incredible towing power, and over 20mpg on the highway. The new explorers are awfully nice, too.
I have been intrigued by the ecoboost, but after finding out they do not get anywhere near the published MPG ratings I wrote them off as just another pretender.
The idea makes sense, but to be honest those things will be spendy in the long run if the turbos fail or something else down the line. Better off just sticking with a V8.
I have 218,000 miles on my 2000 GMC Sierra. Just came back from Vermilion and pulling my 185 Tournament Sport I averaged 13.4 MPG and over half of the distance traveled was over 70 MPH.
Regardless of what brand I prefered, if I had tranny issues with any rig I owned I would be looking elsewhere especially in the few miles you have on your rig.
The only repairs I have done are brakes, tires, filters and oil changes.
I always tow in Overdrive, but NEVER use cruise. This is key. You can control shifting so much better and this reduces heat in the tranny.
The 6.0 liter engine that someone referenced has insane towing power, but you would hate the MPG when unloaded because it isnt much better.
I pulled a 32 foot camper with my buddies new Ram and honestly aside from the swaying, never even knew it was back there. Great power, but it got like 10MPG.
Tahoe/Suburan, Expedition, Exlorer or even that new Durango/Grand Cherokee would all be worthy choices for pulling that boat along with the Armada and Sequoia. |
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| ttrap u must be towing something small or u are very lucky the trans is not on the expressway.With all toyotas troubles in recent years it is better to just please stay away.Older models made better, but to small to tow big rigs.I have had no probs with ford transmission your brothers are the first I ever heard with trans problems at that mileage.65,000 really?Toyotas trans go when towing and they tow poorly.I towed a ranger last fall to minetonka with my 97 expedition I live in chicago my neighbor has one with 300,000 mine only has 186,000.I have zero oil leaks and I no for a fact toyotas leak oil, like a babies diaper.0723
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Captain - 8/18/2011 1:12 PM
The 6.0 liter engine that someone referenced has insane towing power, but you would hate the MPG when unloaded because it isnt much better.
16-17 on average ... combo of highway and around town.
19 empty and on the highway ...
not sure where you get your data, but the 6.0 turbo-diesel is far from what you suggest at least from what i've experienced over the past 220,000 miles. |
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| jonnysled - 8/18/2011 1:27 PM
Captain - 8/18/2011 1:12 PM
The 6.0 liter engine that someone referenced has insane towing power, but you would hate the MPG when unloaded because it isnt much better.
16-17 on average ... combo of highway and around town.
19 empty and on the highway ...
not sure where you get your data, but the 6.0 turbo-diesel is far from what you suggest at least from what i've experienced over the past 220,000 miles. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | ahhh ... gotcha
also, i know the ford eco-boost motors are new and we all have probably experienced "new", but the thing underneath the hood of this SHO is a beast for power. i'd snap up a truck with one in it in a "heartbeat" ...
Obama still running Government Motors?? |
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| jonnysled - 8/18/2011 1:46 PM
Obama still running Government Motors?? Nope, GM and Chrysler are both free and clear. Both paid their debt ahead of schedule. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | those big new Nissan/Infinity Q vehicles sure are nice ... you'd have to be a jewish guy from the city to afford one though!! :0) |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Captain - 8/18/2011 2:20 PM
jonnysled - 8/18/2011 1:46 PM
Obama still running Government Motors?? Nope, GM and Chrysler are both free and clear. Both paid their debt ahead of schedule.
this from a guy who owns a business in the supply-chain for the big (3) ... for a long time he was associated with Ford and would tell of their reality when most thought they were failing 5-7 years ago amidst product-line trimming, plant closings etc... times were tough and they made tough business decisions.
GM rode like nothing was happening and then stood with their hands out taking the "stimulus" and then forced their suppliers to concede and "go down with them" if they didn't make it. so, we the taxpayers bail them out and then give stock to the Chinese as part of an overall loan program. now that they have "returned" and are recording profits ... what do you think they've "shared" with the suppliers they forced into the trouble "with them"???? you got it ... NADA
read some details, talk to some of their suppliers and get a feel for how the whole thing really went down.
no argument, the tahoe and the suburban are best in class ... of a company that has none. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | dude ... you and i funded the devaluation of GM Stock, then our Government sold it "at a discount that we paid for" to the Chinese. |
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| I own an F-150 Crew Cab 4x4 Ecoboost. If I set the cruise between 60 and 65, I actually get above the stated 21mpg highway. If I am at 60mph on a flat road, I've seen it go as high as 24mpg. I live in the twin cities, and I average about 17.5mpg around town. The mileage has everything to do with driving habits. Use the cruise control and you'll get about 10% better mileage than without. Keep it under 70 and you'll get better mileage.
Towing a 2,500# boat I get about 15mpg (maybe 15.5) when running about 65 on the highway. Driving around the twin cities I get 17-18mpg, with a mix of residential driving and short runs on the interstate (no cruise control). On my drive to the cabin (mostly 60-65mph) I can average over 20mpg on the 3 hour cruise.
There is a fuel economy gauge on the dash of my truck that I've tested to know it's accurate. Frankly the thing will teach you how to drive to conserve gas if you want to pinch pennies. If you use the cruise and don't have a lead foot (which is very tempting and darn fun because the thing is so powerful) and you'll get outstanding mileage with the ability to tow any rig with ease -- many compare the power to a diesel, which is reasonable in my experience thus far.
The Ecoboost does get the mileage Ford claims.
Anyway, it can't hurt to take a couple test drives in various makes and models before the purchase. Try a Ford and you might be suprised at how nice they are these days. |
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| Sled, you sound like a true union man when you talk about GM not sharing profits with the suppliers. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | owned and run by folks who would understand a true union and socialized workforce ... the Chinese will fit right in as their leaders ... a match made for each other i suppose.
not surprising you sign something like that as a "guest" ... LOL |
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| jonnysled - 8/18/2011 2:50 PM
owned and run by folks who would understand a true union and socialized workforce ... the Chinese will fit right in as their leaders ... a match made for each other i suppose.
not surprising you sign something like that as a "guest" ... LOL
Though I think these posts have completely taken away from the intent of this whole topic, I will add something.
IMO No one should have stepped in to help GM or Chrysler or the Banks or Insurance Companies. Let them all fail. Then let the chips fall where they may.
What would have happened in at least the case of GM and Chrysler is that they could have at least gotten out from under the HUGE pensions they pay and opened the door for competition kicking the unions out.
Yeah, this may have meant that thousands would have lost their jobs, but I think in the long run it would have made companies like GM and Chrysler better equiped to compete from a profitability standpoint against the other auto makers.
The American Companies have quality that is ON PAR or BETTER than the Japanese in many categories, but they have failed to be able to be profitable because the only way they can sell their vehicles is to have tremendous incentives through 0% interest or huge rebates. The Japanese companies only started these things in recent years because the economy was in the tank. They make huge profits on their vehicles. GM and Chrysler have to pay for all those folks getting pensions and the unions high dollar salaries.
I know that wont be popular with the pro-union crowds, but in reality, that is what needed to happen.
If Obama would have given every person over 18, $40,000 it would have done more for the economy than the stimulus did and the total spend would have been about the same.
Instead, we have huge mortgage forclosure, major company bailouts, etc and other incentives that bumped the economy along for a little bit only to come crashing down again. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Halleluya ...
take Tesla motors who benefitted from a crashed economy. they moved into a failed auto manufacturing facility and are creating unique products that may change the future of transportation. what happens as a result of failure might have become a renewal of something worth more than that which failed.
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| 0723 - 8/18/2011 1:21 PM
ttrap u must be towing something small or u are very lucky the trans is not on the expressway.With all toyotas troubles in recent years it is better to just please stay away.Older models made better, but to small to tow big rigs.I have had no probs with ford transmission your brothers are the first I ever heard with trans problems at that mileage.65,000 really?Toyotas trans go when towing and they tow poorly.I towed a ranger last fall to minetonka with my 97 expedition I live in chicago my neighbor has one with 300,000 mine only has 186,000.I have zero oil leaks and I no for a fact toyotas leak oil, like a babies diaper.0723
You obviously had some problems with a Toyota yourself and you took it that all their vehicles are bad. My brother tows a 18ft lund with his tundra and loves it over his f150(his preference). He runs a landscaping company and tows everything from bobcats, to mowers, to 10 plus yards of mulch with zero problems with over 100,000 miles. His two f150's went out at 65000. But as far as all the problems toyota's have do you care to elaborate?? Every manufacturing company has recalls at some point as a matter of fact I think ford had a big recall right after toyota did but since we(the government) bailed them out and didn't want to hurt there sales any more it wasn't talked about near as much as the toyota recall.
As for the original question not wanting a truck and wanting a suv, you might as well get a cadilliac escalade. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | ttrap u must be towing something small or u are very lucky the trans is not on the expressway.With all toyotas troubles in recent years it is better to just please stay away.Older models made better, but to small to tow big rigs.I have had no probs with ford transmission your brothers are the first I ever heard with trans problems at that mileage.65,000 really?Toyotas trans go when towing and they tow poorly.I towed a ranger last fall to minetonka with my 97 expedition I live in chicago my neighbor has one with 300,000 mine only has 186,000.I have zero oil leaks and I no for a fact toyotas leak oil, like a babies diaper.0723
That's crap. OFM had two Toyota Tunrdras, one is my son's now and the other Zach drives. LOTS of miles and no issues with engine or tranny in either. I know lots of other Pro anglers who chose to buy Toyota and are towing 20' boats LOTS of miles who are extremely happy. I have two Fords. One has hub problems now that will cost me a few bucks. The other won't engage in 4wd any more...have to take her in. Love 'em both, and one is a 1995.
What would I buy if I had the choice to buy new today? One of the four, Ford, Chevy, Dodge, or Toyota. All are nice rides.
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| Ford all the way sworall and ttrap, they were not bailed out by the gov either. I remember being in a toyota going up the bong bridge in wisc or minn I asked Jimmy what is wrong with your car because it was going 15 to 20 mph at the maximum going up the bridge he said nothing.Toyota equals no power like myself and others have stated.Slamr if you are going down the streeet get a toyota if you are going to use your truck get a Ford.Look at all the post everybody tells you ford.Expedition has the same parts as the lincoln town car. 0723
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| Toyota no power? That is funny. The iforce has a tremendous amount of power. They did have lots of camshaft and tyranny issues at first though.
I can't get myself to buy a Japanese truck. Sorry. Not gonna happen. I thought the ecoboost was interesting until I learned fuel economy was far from advertised.18 tops heck I get that with my old blue hair truck. I know some are getting good mileage with ecoboost, but there are a lot that aren't |
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You are not only wrong, you are REALLY wrong, my Tundra kicked every Ford I have driven right square in the HP with power and acceleration, especially pulling a boat, and did it with the best braking system I've ever experienced and excellent loaded mileage too. The interior was VERY nice, build nice and tight, and the ride quieter than most vehicles I've been in. Beautiful truck all the way around and a joy to drive for 108,000 miles other than one issue...a bad exhaust cooling fan. Doesn't mean Ford isn't a great truck, as I said I own two right now. So enough of the fence post leg lifting, it's unbecoming.
And my Tundra was built in Texas.
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| Okay yes with my 4runners I only tow a magnum but never claimed that I pulled anything big. But slamr said he is pulling a 1760 the newer body style 4runners with v8's will pull that boat no problem. I wish I could buy something "american made" but coming from my family that is not possible. My dad has owned 5 4runners since they first came out, a tacoma, a highlander, my mom has had just about every van made, and a camry , both my brothers have tundras now. My older brother has the crew cab and it has tons of room (really almost as much as a suv)so that will pry be my next tow vehicle. Tons of power, great ride, and you can get most of them cheap right now due to people thinking they suck from the recent recalls. Not taking anything away from ford or any other vehicles, and like all things made there is going to be ones that have problems. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | ttrap - 8/19/2011 12:51 AM
I think ford had a big recall right after toyota did but since we(the government) bailed them out and didn't want to hurt there sales any more it wasn't talked about near as much as the toyota recall.
Not taking anything away from ford or any other vehicles, and like all things made there is going to be ones that have problems.
HUH???? ... "not taking anything away from Ford" !!! ... dude "i think" you have zero idea what you are talking about. maybe go ask your brother or your dad and he can give us his insight on the ford recall and bailout that never happened? |
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| Ford didnt take bailout money, but what GM and Chrysler did through the workings of the bailout is protect themselves from UAW. They have no ability to strike and shutdown operations. This is a good thing for them.
This puts Ford at a tremendous disadvantage because they do not have this ability and UAW will be looking to capitalize.
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| Comparing any Ford that is more than a few years old to the new ones is apples and oranges. And the old ones were good trucks! The new ones are unbelievable. The Ecoboost is brand new this year and there is nothing else like it. Diesel style power and economy in a gas engine. Any truck that gets 18+ mpg and can tow 10,000# is a diesel ... or an Ecoboost. The power has to be experienced to be understood. And did I mention that the Ecoboost gets over 20 on the highway? Gotta use the cruise control to do it consistently, but if you do you can easily average 21-22 on regular highway travel (65mph). |
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Location: Uxbridge Ontario | Captain - 8/18/2011 9:39 PM
Ford didnt take bailout money, but what GM and Chrysler did through the workings of the bailout is protect themselves from UAW. They have no ability to strike and shutdown operations. This is a good thing for them.
This puts Ford at a tremendous disadvantage because they do not have this ability and UAW will be looking to capitalize.
To me, as a buyer, the realization that Ford was not only able to not need the bailout money, but flat out refuse it immediately, should speak volumes to comsumers. But like everything else, what is in the past gets no credit.
My 09 F-150 is the best truck I have owned. I (already owning a Toyota product) would never own another one. Not sure if the price position from Ford and Toyota are the same, but my wifes 2007 Rav4 Sport and my 2009 F-150 Luxury SuperCrew FX4 were within $3,000 of each other. To me this is an absolute joke. She doesn't have Nav or leather and her vehicle seems to be in the shop every other month of sensor issues, air bag problem and door panels constantly falling off. I find her Rav4 to be very lack luster, bland styling and have horrible road noise and interior space. The only thing that vehicle has going for it is that it gets decent mileage (with the V6 Camery engine) and is quite peppy.
We have since ordered a 2012 Explorer Limited 4wd for her, and after the test drive it was an immediate yes. I cant wait for it to come in. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Andrew ain't buying a Pick up. Not a chance. I'm classifying Slamr as an SUV kinda guy. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Captain - 8/19/2011 8:39 AM
Ford didnt take bailout money, but what GM and Chrysler did through the workings of the bailout is protect themselves from UAW. They have no ability to strike and shutdown operations. This is a good thing for them.
This puts Ford at a tremendous disadvantage because they do not have this ability and UAW will be looking to capitalize.
While Ford did not take any bailout money, they were the only domestic auto maker allowed to refinance their loans. GM and Chrysler tried to do the same, but the government told them they had no money. This is what started the entire bailout to begin with.
Buy Detroit and you won't be sorry. Today's Detroit is much better than that of 2005. They simply have to be, or they will go out of business because the government will not bail them out again. |
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| I think Ford was already on the right track, and with the success of the 07 Fusion Ford really nailed down what consumers want. They have since been expanding those features across the product line. So yes, the new Ford vehicles are very different than those of 6 or 7 years ago. Now GM and Chrysler are following suit, as they would not be able to sell anything otherwise. Yes, the foreign vehicles for some time were a much better value than the domestic counterparts. That's no longer the case, as almost any vehicle you buy these days will have excellent initial quality. I really can't say 30K is a great value though. |
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Location: Madison | An unbiased report on Ford's Ecoboost: http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2011/08/test-complete-video-20...
TL;DR: Doesn't give you extra gas mileage, but not a bad investment if you do a lot of towing. |
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| I had a 1996 Toyota 4runner with a 5 speed manual, hands down the best vehicle I have ever owned. It had the 3.4 liter v-6, and all I did was change the oil and drive it. I sold it to buy a 2008 tundra. This truck has the same engine and tranny as the full size Toyota suv. It tows my esox mag like a dream, and the six speed auto is silky smooth. Gas mileage is between 12 and 14 towing and 17 to 18 without trailer. If it holds up like my 4 runner, it will be my new favorite. |
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| Guest - 8/19/2011 9:03 AM
Any truck that gets 18+ mpg and can tow 10,000# is a diesel ... or an Ecoboost. The power has to be experienced to be understood. And did I mention that the Ecoboost gets over 20 on the highway? Gotta use the cruise control to do it consistently, but if you do you can easily average 21-22 on regular highway travel (65mph).
Got 21.7 this last tank on the F150 5.4. all highway miles in IL. Gas is $.40 higher here than Appleton.
ANd this 5.4 is way stronger than a 2007 Toyota 5.7, and is much easier on the eyes, too. Plus I got Sync, and that's something no other MFG has. And that's why Ford outsells Toyota and Nissan combined 2:1. |
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| gregk9 - 8/18/2011 11:52 AM
Shep - 8/15/2011 8:41 AM
I've put over 500K miles on my first 2 F150's since 1983, and neither ever had a major issue with motor or transmission.
What was your maintenance schedule like?
Religious oil and filter changes @ 5000 miles. Synthetic oil since first change. Transmission fluid and filter change at every 50K. Changed, not flushed/exchanged.
Biggest expense on the 97 was front hubs on each side. $200 ea for the parts. Exhaust was original when I sold it last summer. Well, except for the straight pipe that replaced the muffler. I did have to put in some exhaust manifold bolts. Things are much less expensive when you do your own work. Plus I trust me, and don't trust any quik change place or repair shops.
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| Ford has the worst warranty coverage of all the brands. I just got rid of my 2007 f150 which had a rear differential rebuilt and a valve train issue which caused major motor damage all at under 100k with no warranty. Ford dealer says we'll put a long block in for 8k. How about spark plugs shooting throught the hood on older 5.4's. How about spark plugs that won't come out 5.4 3v 2004 and newer. The cam phasers on 04 and newer. Its easy to see why ford didn't need the bailout money, they stuck all the repairs to the consumers. What happens when the ecoboosts take a dump at 70,00 miles? I'd bet you'll be sol. I know all manufactures have some problems, the way those problems are dealt with makes all the difference. |
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| After owning a 2006 F150 i chose Toyota and have been very happy so far. I still like ford, but the post above me states something true. Ford warranty sucks. I had injectors fail (6), needed 4 or 5 front end alignments in 50k miles, power windows stopped working (expensive motors)... all kinds of issues on a truck that was taken well care of. Basically highway miles going to and from my place up north. That was it. But it seemed like everytime i drove it, something was wrong.. Ford guys would always say, "oh that's normal" its worse on a chevy.." i don't care what its worse on... shouldn't happen in the first place. |
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| Sworral I am a union worker toyota is an accepted american and union product so dont go there. That was not my point or intent.I hate when people try to bring that foreign or race b.s. into an arguement when you are stating YOUR experiences with toyota.I was trying to help slamr two fords in the driveway no probs. bill ramsey
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Location: minocqua, wi. | excepted
accepted
pretty important difference between the two meanings.
i personally find toyotas to be acceptable except for how they compare for interior space ... |
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| mn pat had one spark plug blow out once cost 124 dollars to fix years ago never happened again.milex in oak forest il fixed it if u ever this way.bill r |
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| another good point sled when toyota people get into ford first thing they say this extra room is nice. b ram |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | 0723 - 8/25/2011 2:01 PM
another good point sled when toyota people get into ford first thing they say this extra room is nice. b ram
F250 SuperCrew ... there is nothing bigger to my knowledge ... i can't go back to a half-ton no matter how nice they might be. once a diesel driver always a diesel driver at least for me. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | jonnysled - 8/25/2011 1:58 PM
excepted
accepted
pretty important difference between the two meanings.
i personally find toyotas to be acceptable except for how they compare for interior space ...
my post has become obsolete via edits ... tj, please remove it and buy a #*^@ american kodak camera to take pictures of those fish please ... and thank you.
oh, and i'm not a union worker ... but, a proud supporter of Governor Scott Walker |
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| Here is a ford I would drive, not sure how the boat would like being pulled so fast but would sure make the trip short.
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/built-ford-fast--2011-f-250-super-duty-... |
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| ttrap - 8/25/2011 3:30 PM
Here is a ford I would drive, not sure how the boat would like being pulled so fast but would sure make the trip short.
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/built-ford-fast--2011-f-250-super-duty-...
Almost stock huh? "Ford says that its engineers and Oklahoma-based Hajek Motorsports only installed a high pressure fuel pump, new fuel injectors, new turbos, and modified the compression ratio. Aside from the performance modifications, the F-250 was also fitted with a roll cage, five-point harness, a drag chute, aerodynamic fairings for the front bumper, and the obligatory salt flat moon-dish wheels."
LOL
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'Sworral I am a union worker toyota is an accepted american and union product so dont go there.'
I wan't talking to you, and I'll pretty much 'go' where I wish, thanks!
My point was both are good products. Still is my point. And the Toyota Tundra has TONS of room, it's obvious a few folks have never been in one. Geeze, measure your thing elsewhere, I'm not interested.
And that was me, Sled, TJ logged in on my Mac and I didn't see it.
And I like my Nikon.
And my Canon.
And no one edited any of your posts that I'm aware of, but if they did, I'm not surprised...too much.
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