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| Am starting to look for a new rig for next year. looking at a glass boat. i know the rangers and love them. i know the tuffys and they dont do it for me. not saying they are bad or anything. they just aren't for me. was wondering if anyone has any opinions regarding some other brands and models. procraft, warrior etc.. looking for something along the lines of a 690. this is going to be a family boat also so i need some floor space for kids and coolers. dont want them playing up on the decks, even though they always wear their lifevest. any info would be great. thanks |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | when my kids were younger (4 of them), i bought a boston whaler dauntless center console bay boat ... fantastic family boat and able to fish pretty will out of it. i moved from that to a ranger 200c center console bay boat and owned center consoles for 13 years when the kids were younger. skeeter, ranger, whaler, mako ... lots of brands to choose from. a really versatile family boating option you might reall like. |
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Location: Bemidji, Lake Vermilion | Lund Fisherman GL's are very nice and exceedingly roomy for the family. |
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Location: In a shack in the woods | Warriors are too deep for my liking and tuffy sit too high out of the water. Rangers are not the perfect boat IMO but they are the best in that class for musky fishing. I haven't been in a Lund or the triton version of a walleye boat but from what I've seen ranger is about the only option. |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | If I wasn't in a Ranger Bay (the 200C mentioned above) I'd be in a Bass Cat Bay Cat. I agree...center consoles are great boats for a multitude fo uses, families included. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | not sure how old your kids are but to me the wash-down decks of the center-consoles were great because kids experiences in the boat are going to include stuff that spills and drops. taking the pressure off of them and making it fun even with spills is important. when we went on the water the boat had special rules which was that regarding snacks and drinks ... there were no rules. it was a free-for-all until it was gone and made the boat a cool place to be for them.
shouldn't have left out the bass-cat ... they are fantastic boats!!
champion is another brand worth considering ...
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| the new Skeeter MX1825 is definitely worth checking out, especially if you're looking for something that's comparable to the Ranger 690.
a multi-species design with muskie fishing in mind, including rod lockers that'll hold up to 12' rods and a rear casting deck. it's family-friendly with a larger cockpit and removable carpet as well.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | that is a beautiful layout!!!! |
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| Those skeeters sure are nice looking boats. I am not a big fan of the rod or other storage in the side like that though. Sure you can get super long rods in there, but with seats in the boat its a PITA to get them out and people have to get out of the seats to remove them. In my experience anyway.
My Alumacraft Tournament Sport has gunnel storage on the top of the sides. The doors are on top. No one has to move around to get into them. This will hold any rod you can find, plus the center rod locker is nice for more frequently used stuff up to 8'.
If I were to get a new glass boat, it would likely be one of the new Skeeter MX series though. They appear to be very well thought out, with just the side storage issue I dont like.
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| while I do like the tuffys, i'm in the same boat as you. I've done a lot of looking around and saw this small line called Recon. If you google Recon you will come across them. the 985 has lots of similarities to the 619,620, 621 ranger line. rigged similarly, the Recon prices out at much less, quick glance looks like $15,000 less. two things i really like besides the price. 1) the 9' center rod locker 2) its lighter boat for the size. good luck with your search |
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| There are other glass boats besides Ranger?
I"m not impressed by the Skeeter layout. Front deck is a little too small for my liking. Personal preference I guess. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | that console sure seems pretty far forward in that skeeter....or maybe just the angle of the pic? what are the specs? max hp?
one could have a custom deck built up the left side so you could walk from front to back like 690s
Rangers are top of the line imo...everything else you get what you pay for
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| this is going to be a family boat also so i need some floor space for kids and coolers. dont want them playing up on the decks, even though they always wear their lifevest. any info would be great. thanks
the original poster requested info on non-Ranger, non-Tuffy fiberglass boats that provide floorspace for kids and coolers, and he doesn't want the kids playing up on the casting decks.
boats are a study in compromises, like everything else. so while we can all argue endlessly about the "ultimate muskie boat", that doesn't necessarily respond to his request...
i think the Skeeter MX1825 is targeted as a multi-species rig so it has an extended cockpit which of course means reduced front deck footprint but gains a friendlier layout for walleye jigging, panfishing, or a playpen for the kids.
it was based on a fish-n-ski hull that was widened and lengthened, so that keeps it somewhat closer to the water which is appealing for muskie fishing.
the front deck with the dual consule is 70" long by 64" wide at the widest point. the single console frees up an extra 15" x 44" on the starboard side.
it's rated for a 200hp 2-stroke, or a 150hp 4-stroke.
an interesting "compromise" rig.
specs: http://www.skeetermultispeciesboats.com/models/detail/35/mx1825
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Location: Contrarian Island | definitely a nice roomy layout for kids ...or fishing...much like a 690 layout ... woul really boogy w a 200 pro xs I bet... ; ) odd on the HP rating being different for 2 stroke vs 4 stroke? first time I've seen that...?
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Location: Rhinelander | BNelson - 8/9/2011 12:34 PM
definitely a nice roomy layout for kids ...or fishing...much like a 690 layout ... woul really boogy w a 200 pro xs I bet... ; ) odd on the HP rating being different for 2 stroke vs 4 stroke? first time I've seen that...?
Weight issue.
I looked at one......not for my style of fishing. The boat is rumored to move out well with a 150 yamaha 4-stroke. |
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| BNelson - 8/9/2011 12:34 PM
definitely a nice roomy layout for kids ...or fishing...much like a 690 layout ... woul really boogy w a 200 pro xs I bet... ; ) odd on the HP rating being different for 2 stroke vs 4 stroke? first time I've seen that...?
Ive never seen that before either. I didnt find it specify that on the site, just says max HP 200, while the picture shows a 150 4 stroke. ???
I really do like the new Skeeter MX line of boats. They look like an excellent balance between fishing and family cruising. I cannot tell from the model shown above, but I know one if not all of the MX series has jump seats in the back. That is really nice for those sunset cruises and putting all the family in there.
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Location: Des Moines IA | skeeter pretty much said they didn't want to hang a motor that weighs more than 450 pounds on the MX1825 is what I've read on the web so far. That's why they have 2 different HP ratings. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | a 200 verado and 200 opti are within 5 lbs claimed dry weight... merc 200 opti is 505.... Etec 200 is a touch over 500 too.... 175 suzi weighs in at 485... their ratings are wacked.
ahhh yah, if they are only going to rig w Yammy I get it... yammy 4 stroke 150 is 476 but 200 4 stroke is over 100 lbs more
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Location: Des Moines IA | Skeeter's are typically rigged with Yamahas, I'm looking for the exact info again right now, can't seem to find it though ...... |
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Location: Contrarian Island | unless the consumer wants a different brand/motor... then I suppose it could cost them some sales... |
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Location: Des Moines IA | "The Yamaha 4 stroke 200 will be too heavy for the MX1825, but is available for purchase on the WX1900. Engineers have submitted their detailed performance test specifications for the Yamaha 2 stroke Z200 HPDI, 4 Stroke F150 and Four Stroke F115. Skeeter has not finalized which motors will be offered."
That's all Ic an find, I swear I read somewhere 450 pounds was the motor weight limit for this rig. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | 150 yammy and 200 HPDI are over 450...so that doesn't work |
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Location: Des Moines IA | I guess it's 475 pounds .... Still can't find that exact quote I saw before. |
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Location: Des Moines IA | Found it ..... It was 475 pounds .....
http://www.walleyecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180272 |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Nelson ... you need to have some kids! |
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Location: Wayzata, MN | LOTS AND LOTS of choices.....
Ranger
Skeeter (owned by Yamaha)
Yar-Craft
Triton (owned by same company that owns Ranger)
Warrior (no longer in business, but coming back - so used only)
Lund
Recon (Wisconsin based)
FinCraft
Nitro (owned by Tracker)
Stratos (owned by same company that owns Ranger)
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| BNelson - 8/9/2011 1:11 PM
unless the consumer wants a different brand/motor... then I suppose it could cost them some sales... It hurt Crestliner by only offering Mercury. They still sell a number of boats, but during this timeframe Alumacraft really took off in sales. May not have solely been because of motor choices. |
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| thanks for all the info guys. definetly have some more stuff to check on. the kids are 2 and 5 so floor space is a premium. i would rather sacrifice front deck space for floor space. not like i'm running laps up there or anything. and i can always have bob build me a box to extend the front for when they join on the deck. thanks again guys. |
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| Just a few questions or subjects that were mentioned that I could clear up for some guys.
Yes skeeter is owned by Yamaha. Therefore there ratings and such are based off the yamaha motor specs in mind. Being the USCG rating is 200, that means you can put any 200hp motor on there. From my understanding talking with the people at skeeter and at yamaha is the skeeter will not send a boat out of the factory with a 200 4stroke on it because of the weight and performance concerns. It will handle it by all means but its not recomended. You can order a boat with out a motor and put whatever you would like on there.
I saw jump seats mentioned also. The MX does not have jumpseats in it. The livewell is all the way across the rear deck 50" to be exact therefore jumpseats were not an option. They do come standard on all WX series Skeeters though.
As far as rod storage. There is 2 rod storage locations. You have the center rod storage that will hold up to 8' rods and has 2 levels to it so your reals wont hit eachother and it also has the side rod holster that will hold at least 6 rods up to 13' with baitcasting or linecounter reels.
As far as the side storage. The port side storage is where the rod holster is and that has a double hinged door that can be opened with no problem with people in the seats. The starboard side storage is 2 seperate doors and can also be opened fully with people in the seats.
Just a few other points of interest to consider that were mentioned by fishermen while designing this boat.
The beam on this boat is 97" I dont recall of the top of my head what the beam at the water line is but I do know for a fact that it is 2" wider at the water line than skeeters biggest wx boat which is the WX 2100. The extra width at the water line gives it great stability.
Like mentioned earlier, the rear livewell is 50" long and has 2 doors to access it with. It is also tappered at the bottom to make sure all the water drains out at the end of the day. It also has a front baitwell in front of the drivers side console.
Storage shelves under each console to store any extra clothes or gear you may readily need, including life jackets and a throwable.
There are many other little features that us as fisherman like and think of that would mostly never cross the minds of an engeriner that skeeter put into this boat.
If anybody has any other questions please feel free to post and I will do the best I can to help answer them.
Thanks,
Eric
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Location: North Central IL USA | Eric - 8/9/2011 6:05 PM
As far as the side storage. The port side storage is where the rod holster is and that has a double hinged door that can be opened with no problem with people in the seats. The starboard side storage is 2 seperate doors and can also be opened fully with people in the seats.
That's kinda what I thought just by looking at the layout. Seems that the seats are far enough away from the sides. |
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Location: Rhinelander | I really like my Warrior, but they are more of a walleye boat as far as freeboard dimensions. They should be back in production for 2012, not sure if they will be making the bass style boat they came out with in about 2008 |
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| gregk9 - 8/9/2011 11:16 PM
Eric - 8/9/2011 6:05 PM
As far as the side storage. The port side storage is where the rod holster is and that has a double hinged door that can be opened with no problem with people in the seats. The starboard side storage is 2 seperate doors and can also be opened fully with people in the seats.
That's kinda what I thought just by looking at the layout. Seems that the seats are far enough away from the sides.
That was another thing that was thought of during the design process. You can be sitting in the seat and you are able to swing 360 degrees and not hit your knees on anything. So if your jigging over the side, you can face the gunnel and not hit your knees on it!!!! |
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| I've just switched from a skeeter 24' center console to a 24' Pathfinder and it's like going from a lumber wagon to a Porsche! It's got some cool "musky specific" features and the finest running, driest, smoothest hull I've ever seen, plus is a very, very good value $wise when compared to anything else in it's class.
In the past couple of weeks it's been on Mille Lac, Leech, Cass, Pike Bay, Bemidji, and a few other puddles as well. Ran from Malmo to Vineland Bay in a 30+mph southwest wind at 42mph and stayed dry and didn't loose any fillings! Simply astonishing!
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Location: Kodiak, AK | Dahly Lama - 8/14/2011 5:13 PM
How does that relate to the question?
Mr. Dahlberg is just relaying to the original poster how awesome properly designed bay boats are! I'm a Ranger guy, but Pathfinders are on my short list (next to Bass Cats and -yeah right- Yellowfins) for 20-24' bays. I have a whole 'nother list for small boats. I fish alone most of the time and 20' is plenty for me. 24' is alot of boat, but room is nice. The only place I don't see bays being prime is for trolling, and that's just for the sake of seating. But I'm sure Larry has trolled his and Pete trolled his on his show this year, so I know it's doable. But I'm not a troller, so bays get my vote 100% of the time for my fishing.
Add a Power Pole or two and you've got a muskie machine that does well with passengers, kids, dogs, whatever.
Now if I can just get past a broken leg, I'd be enjoying mine!
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Location: Des Moines IA | I used to say a 621 VS with a 300 Verado was my "lottery boat" . I've changed my mind, 24 foot Yellowfin bay boat, with a Verado 350!!!
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i would imagine if you look hard enough you still might find some twizzlers, beer nuts, or pringles in that boat somewhere (hopefully not a dirty diaper) or at least the remains of a poweraide stain in that boat jeff ... that thing raised 4 kids. bay boats and kids go together like peas and carrots.
and to the poster who was dissin' ... yes you can run in some rough-stuff with kids onboard which is precicely why i bought them. upright floatation if you ever got into a schit-storm on the water and had your kids onboard. |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | I told you I found a solidified can of Beer Nuts didn't I? I was wiring my first PP and was like, "what the hell?" No twizzlers or pringles, and I've had that boat stripped to it's stringers the past three winters, so I think you cleaned it out pretty well before that fateful day in July 08 in R&H parking lot.... |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | jonnysled - 8/14/2011 7:21 PM
and to the poster who was dissin' ... yes you can run in some rough-stuff with kids onboard which is precicely why i bought them. upright floatation if you ever got into a schit-storm on the water and had your kids onboard.
Oh, yeah, I run with a dog, which is like a kid....and I'm very, very confident running in 3'ers and fairly confident running in 4's and have done 5's without getting scared. I'll never have a boat without a self-bailing cabin. I've been shin-deep more than once and have take green water over the bow in 4-5's and have felt safe the whole time. The dog may disagree, but I've felt safe at least.... |
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| That new Skeeter does look good, with the possible exception of the front deck being so small. Maybe that's OK because one person fishes up where, one in the back, and if there's a third he can stand in the middle on the relatively close to the water floor?
I've always thought the Skeeter 1850 was a pretty good looking boat with a deeper but not too deep hull. |
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| We own our dual console for just less than one month. For my wife and I the boat works perfectly. We've had 6 adults in the boat with no issues - the boat planed out at around 3400rpm's. Front deck space is more than adequate for one person muskie fishing and a second person netting a muskie. I've fished two adults standing on the back deck - both sides of the boat are covered. The available storage space is awesome - we are not even close to filling all of the storage compartments. |
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Location: Uxbridge Ontario | Stratos just introduced a new 20ft Multi species boat as well. Dont beleive it is on their website yet though.
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| I recently fished 6 days out of Mike Keyes' MX1825. The floor plan worked well for all of the camera equipment and the front deck comfortably fished two. The downside is that the console and seating is too far forward. Fished well, rode hard. High 40's with an f150...max! Limited storage.
I'm running a brand new Pathfinder 2200TRS with an F150. It's an impressive machine! Looking at the construction of these salt water boats has been a real eye-opener. Everything is super tough and simple. My boat is plumbed like the Cornelia Marie. Everything is easy to get at for maintenance. The boat will do about 50, or just under, with 1/2 tank of gas(60gal tank!)
I really think we'll be seeing more and more of them in freshwater. They are tough, ultra versatile and provide the best (IMHO) fishing layout possible. Both the Skeeter and Pathfinder are priced well under Ranger. The 22' Pathfinder is priced 15%-20%+ below the 621. |
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| Stratos is coming out with a multi species boat but the rumor is the pricing is close to $45k. You could get a ranger reata 2050 for that price. |
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| Though those center console boats look nice, I have a hard time considering that a family-type rig. It doesnt look to be a fun ride for passengers at all to me. I think its form vs function type deal.
I have 3 boys and my wife that join me on the water alot, along with friends and their kids. I dont see a center console boat being real practical for that. |
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Location: North Central IL USA | Right on, Captian. They're strictly fishing boats for people that don't mind bad seating. I'll pass. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | mine had the seat right in front of the console that was a favorite and then two comfortable seats on both sides in the rear and then plenty of room for two at the helm ... 5-6 positions that were both safe and comfortable. i guess i'll assume you've never been in one.
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| I have had two pathfinder's since 2004.I could not fish in a Dual Console..it makes no sense..I can walk around the entire boat and address the Fish at any angle!
Dry Ride, no big neck breaking hull bounce!
Why don't the Fisherpersons up here in the North understand that there is a better boat to fish out of???? |
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Location: North Central IL USA | jonnysled - 8/18/2011 3:54 PM
mine had the seat right in front of the console that was a favorite and then two comfortable seats on both sides in the rear and then plenty of room for two at the helm ... 5-6 positions that were both safe and comfortable. i guess i'll assume you've never been in one.
try one sometime ... it might surprise you.
Got a pic of your layout? I've never been in one but I've seen the pictures of the seats...they're lame. Coolers and storage boxes with cushions on top of them basically. Maybe yours is different?
Probably is a pain fishing out of a dual console or full windshield boat at times. Mine's a single console. No problems getting around whatsoever.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | the one i had is pictured in the photo above on the trailer ... it's owned by jeff breidenbach now and is used on lake st. claire, mi. and hauls around a little black kid. that boat was a kid-hauler for many years before going to him. now that my kids are older i run a 690 and love it but trust me, between the boston whaler and that 200C i was on the water with 4 kids and they are fantastic for that purpose. toddlers aren't gonna just tip over and fall out ... my kids were raised on the water. |
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| jonnysled - 8/18/2011 3:54 PM
mine had the seat right in front of the console that was a favorite and then two comfortable seats on both sides in the rear and then plenty of room for two at the helm ... 5-6 positions that were both safe and comfortable. i guess i'll assume you've never been in one.
try one sometime ... it might surprise you. you are right I have not been in one on the water. I have seen them at dealers and walked around in them. While I can agree from a fishing standpoint they are very functional they do not seem practical to me at all when considering family needs. Where is the protection from the elements? We up north folk spend time on the water when snow is in the air pelting rain, etc. A full windshield boat would offer far more protection for all not just the person running the boat. I put my top up, zip in some sides and the whole boat is enclosed I could fish year round and be nice and toast with my buddy heater inside.
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| I also fished with Mike and Ben this past week and enjoyed fishing out of the new Skeeter. This boat is a great buy and is very Musky friendly we fished three guys comfortably. I really didn't notice the ride being that hard for all the traffic on the water. I am looking at going into one this next season.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Owned an 18' center console once. Nice ride. I've run tillers, dual consoles with bubble windshields, walk throughs, and single consoles. All had advantages and disadvantages depending on what a person is looking for.
The new Skeeter is a study in compromise. It's a nice ride. I don't care for the front deck, or the layout of the rear deck, but that's me. I like my big decks, personal preference.
I'm picking up a new 1890 DCG in a couple weeks. I like that boat allot, but again, that's me. Look at Warrior when they begin building again, look at the new Yar Crafts (Cory does a nice job on those boats), look at the new models from all the builders....everyone has improved the build process immensely over the last couple years. Make your own mind up after re-educating yourself as to what the regionals are building for 2012 and what the majors have to offer.
It sounds to me like an 186 Tyee GL Lund might exactly fit your needs. Nice ride at very competitive pricing.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | North of 8 - 8/18/2011 7:35 PM
Sled, I don't know anything of value about glass boats but I really like the fact that the photo shows the kids wearing pdfs, even on the trailer, on land. My guess is that that became second nature to them.
these kids have been raised on the water and ice ... we take safety and survival skills very seriously. thanks for noticing. the day i saw them cut a whaler in half off the coast of florida i knew it was the boat for me. the next boat i was sold on due to the upright floatation ...
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | HA. Fight nice, guys.
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Location: Kodiak, AK | And I think it's different things being argued....seating in bay boats vs family comfort. Well, bay boats aren't meant to be "sat" in like in a multi-species boat. They don't have the fancy, cooshy, shock absorbing seats like muskie/walleye boats do. But that's because they're meant to be ran standing up, which is (in my opinion, having run in standing and seated boats in big water) far more comfortable and stable than sitting. With my leg as it is, I've been boat whoring all summer and seated the whole time...lemme tell ya....I'll never own a seated boat again. I feel like I can't see anything and my back, abs and kidneys take all the abuse...even in a 620.
So no, bay boats don't have carpeting, four captains chairs, arm rests and shock absorbing seat posts. But what they do have is room to stand and take the ride with your legs and whole body. Much safer and less fatiguing than sitting....again, just in my experience.
As far as windshields and such, when you're standing it suddenly becomes second nature to duck behind the single cener console when spray comes over the bow. I noticed the other day riding in a Tuffy and a then a Smoker Craft with a windshield that seated behind a walk through windshield, you just sit there and let it block the water...and you still get wet. Standing, you just naturally duck behind the console and you actually stay pretty dry. I dunno, I just find it more comfortable and dry standing in my boat than I do sitting in others.
jonnysled - 8/18/2011 6:00 PM
the one i had is pictured in the photo above on the trailer ... it's owned by jeff breidenbach now and is used on lake st. claire, mi. and hauls around a little black kid....
Here's my little black kid. He loves bay boats!
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Location: N.FIB | anybody know the weight of the 1825 skeeter,looks like a nice boat for any type of fishing,seen some decent looking triton boats for sale that look nice |
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| CASTING55 - 8/22/2011 10:00 AM
anybody know the weight of the 1825 skeeter,looks like a nice boat for any type of fishing,seen some decent looking triton boats for sale that look nice
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Location: N.FIB | Eric - 8/23/2011 7:11 PM
Thats more than the 1850 and 1900 from what the website says,think maybe those numbers are wrong
CASTING55 - 8/22/2011 10:00 AM
anybody know the weight of the 1825 skeeter,looks like a nice boat for any type of fishing,seen some decent looking triton boats for sale that look nice
The dry weight on the 1825 is 1820lbs. |
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| i'm not sure why, but the website doesn't have a dry weight listed for the MX1825:
http://www.skeetermultispeciesboats.com/models/detail/35/mx1825
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| The number does seem a little off to me also. With that said, its to new right now that I dont even have a spec sheet for everything on it. I asked the engineers at skeeter the other day and thats what they told me. I will double check with a few other people that should know it for sure at skeeter and see what they come up with. I will let you all know when I find out!! |
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| I double and triple checked with everybody I could think of and they all came up with the same answer, 1820lbs.
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