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Location: Chisholm, MN | Why can't they make an AFFORDABLE reel that doesn't break half way through the season for burning or just medium retrieves on big blades? My saltist is a great reel and it brings in blades great but the engaging lever has broke twice now. Daiwa fixes it for me but I am out my favorite reel for a couple weeks now. This thing breaks and I am not casting it wrong. I don't engage too soon or anything like that. I would love a trinidad but I can't afford 4 or 5 hundred bucks. Lets figure it out reel companies! Come ON!!!!!!! |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Price vs. Quality
The cost of materials, machine time and engineering time don't care what the product is being used for. The number of people burning big blades is so small in the fishing world I'm amazed that we have the options that we do. In the scheme of things a $180 reel like the Saltist is bottom of the barrel in terms of price. Take a peak at what the salt guys are spending for quality. Really you're better off to buy a Trinidad used (Baldy has one for sale on BST) but everyone has their own way of doing things. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Yeah, huge market, that double 10 Muskie reel application...
That's the issue.
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Location: Chisholm, MN | I realize that but I personally think that the saltist is a great reel but its skimpy on parts that would be easy to make better. I actually don't burn big blades a lot so I'm not all that concerned with it but I've gotten used to the line pick up on them. I also throw a revo toro (which I love) but I don't really think it will stand up to a medium retrieve on big baits so I only use it for smaller ones. Whatever...........I'm just getting frustrated. |
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| Kirby Budrow - 8/1/2011 6:28 PM
....the saltist is a great reel but its skimpy on parts that would be easy to make better....
Isn't that a contradiction? A great reel won't be skimpy on any parts...and that's what you pay for. I'd call the Saltists "good" reels, but not "great." Thus, I use Trinidads. I'm not a rich man, but after burning up reels and being out a reel for the reasons you mention and for as much as I fish (often, as in several days a week) it became worth it for me to buy Trinidads and they've since paid for themselves by me not having to rebuild one half way through the summer. But even Trinidads have their issues- look at the thread about them screaming or whatever. Mine never have, but I guess it's possible in anything.
If you can't swing a Trinidad, that's fine. But maybe consider picking up a used Saltist to have waiting in the wings for such an event and hopefully lessen your frustration. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | if you buy a reel planning on need a back-up? ... how much time and confidence do you expect out of the back-up? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Notice none of the reels mentioned are advertised as, " The Reel BUILT to handle the abuse of ripping 1 pound lures, slamming into gear now and again with a 1 pound lure sailing through the air, and dragging rotating hub caps through the water at mach 6!!"
I noticed that isn't in any of the material for the reels we try to 'adapt' to our weird and unclassified use. |
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| Clearly a free country, and a fairly free speaking message board, but I don't buy the theory. I find the SAltist to be far more trouble free than the others suggest. I have worked two of them to death with no problems. I find it to be a superior product for the money! |
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Location: MN | Kirby there's a 16dc Trinidad on the bst board for 290$ that's a hell of a deal on that reel ask your buddy Jamie about the one I let him cast. |
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Location: N.FIB | I had the same prob with my saltist,won`t buy another one unless I came across a heck of a deal,and then would only use it for trolling or a sucker reel,it has a very loud clicker from what I remember. |
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Location: Hugo, MN | Remember way back when, last summer, when the gold Trinidads were the greatest reel ever made for burning big blades? Suddenly, now that there is a new version, nobody wants the old ones and they are willing to pay almost twice as much for the new version. I've seen the old Trinidads going for $250-ish brand new in the box on Ebay. I'm not so sure that the new version is worth $200 more. My "old" TN-14 is still going strong 3 years in. Just a thought. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'Saltiga® Built For Today’s Super Braids
The fine diameter and strength of today’s braided super lines lets you pack a tremendous amount of fighting power into a compact reel. It also puts incredible strain on gear trains and drags designed for monofilament'
Maybe this would be a better choice?
Not what the Saltist material says. It appears we are trying to 'make' a reel work for what WE want and the builder is not intending the reel to do. |
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| Check out the Avet MXJ 5.8 with MC. Plenty of speed and plenty of power for smooth, easy retrieve. I had to by Avet because no other company makes me a left handed version. They make left and right handed models. No complaints, no problems.
They are a little more audible than trinidads but so what I live near a airport. Check out ebay and find a best price or offer. Made in San Diego, USA. I paid $180 shipped this past winter.
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Location: Lake Minnetonka | Saltist 30TH: 4th year using it. Used exclusively for blades including #10s and 13s and burning them. Includes 2 day, 15 hour tournaments that we burned #10s the whole time.
Saltist 40HA: 3rd year using it. Used exclusively for heavy lures including Mag and Pounder Bulldawgs, Mag Muskie Treats.
Saltist 20HA: 1st year using it. Use exclusively for topwater and jerkbaits like phantoms and regular Muskie Treats.
The year cowgirls came out we were using cheapo Abu and Calcutta TEs for them. This resulted in the dreaded crabclaw and busted drag systems, and the TEs were too slow. The next year people started using the Trinidads and then came the Saltists. I realized that we had to start specializing our rod and reel combinations for the type of lure we were throwing just like you have to have a dedicated gun for a specific ammo, otherwise we would have to buy new reels every year. Smaller lighter lures like a .22 caliber smaller lighter gun. Bigger, heavier lures like a slug, bigger heavier gun.
Also, you have to clean and grease your reels minimum once a month during the season. Additional cleaning if you go on a trip somewhere and beat the snot out of them. Same way you need to clean your gun.
I do mine minimum every 3 weeks. I just cleaned and greased them yesterday and wish I would have taken pictures. The grease was gone or was a just a sloppy goop, and there was condensation in there. Look up cleaning Saltist on-line and there is a good site out there on how to do it with pics. Plus if you get multiple models of the Saltist, the guts are the same so it makes it easier to get apart and back together.
You didn't say what model you have, but I keep hearing from people that their 20HAs are breaking, and when I ask them what lures they use with it, it is bulldawgs and big blades. It's not made for that. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | I have the 30HA. I use it for mag dawgs, big blades, and other big baits. I general don't burn 10s or bigger. I like smaller blades for that to really rip em fast. I haven't had trouble with the gears or drag system on it. Just the clutch? I think thats what they call that lever anyway. I agree that it would be economical to get a trinidad and not having to replace it but can't get it now. School and all that crap gets in the way! In the future that will be my first choice. Isn't the trinidad a little more exclusive to straight reeling lures cause there is no level wind? I guess its possible but maybe a hassle to use dawgs and other baits? That means you have to buy another rod to match the reel and you obviously can't skimp on a rod if you have a reel like a trinidad right? So then we are looking at about a grand for a set up to catch fish on blades. Maybe thats not that economical. Just a thought.
Tim, you were the guy with JayMe when he got that 45? I'm not really comfortable with buying used. I just think maybe these reels could last at least a season of hard use. I wouldn't care if it broke at the end of the season!!! |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Actually that trinidad 16dc looks pretty cool. |
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| Gotta keep one thing in mind here.....the Saltist lineup are TROLLING reels. These are reels meant to have that lever opened/closed and go in and out 4x a day, not 400.
The saltist IS a great reel, for what it is. But to compare a ~$165 reel to a trinidad is just not even fair.
Its kind of like a golfer using a putter for a driver. We're all using this reel for something it wasn't built for......"saltwater' reel or not.
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Location: SE Wisc and Vilas County | i have a saltist 20 and my spring broke as well. i took it out and it works fine. i have been using it all summer with no spring in it. I have a 700te as well and it is also a great reel for blades. 2 friends of mine also have saltist with no springs in them and they have been using them for 2 plus years now. |
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| So what is the procedure when you break the spring and opt not to replace it? I mean, does the lever just move back and forth manually, only the spring just doesn't hold the gear in place....its just sorta there and you hope you don't bump it....but otherwise it works the same?
I assume the broken spring has to come out first, no? |
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Location: MN | Or just buy a few spare springs to have on hand and replace it. Pretty easy actually, even for those less than mechanically inclined. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Propster - 8/2/2011 12:09 AM
Or just buy a few spare springs to have on hand and replace it. Pretty easy actually, even for those less than mechanically inclined.
Where do you get the springs? |
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Location: MN | Kirby Budrow - 8/1/2011 10:11 PM
Actually that trinidad 16dc looks pretty cool.
If you could swing it the 16dc is probably the best rubber/blade reel made. It's not just a straight retrieve bait reel see the 16dc has a wider spool than the regular 16n so you don't have to worry about the line falling off the sides and making a backlash on your next cast. As far as buying a used one I bought both my trinidads (16dc 16n) used and I'm going on 2 1/2yrs on them without a hiccup and I beat the snot out of them. Yep I was the guy that put Jayme on his 42.5" a few weeks ago. |
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| Abu Garcia 7000, 4 seasons still strong.. |
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| Is there still no good option with a level wind (line guide)? |
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| PostFrontal - 8/1/2011 8:05 PM
You didn't say what model you have, but I keep hearing from people that their 20HAs are breaking, and when I ask them what lures they use with it, it is bulldawgs and big blades. It's not made for that.
Isn't the only difference between the 20 and 30 spool width? The 20 isn't made for big blades but the 30 is? |
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Location: Denmark | Kirby Budrow - 8/1/2011 10:11 PM
Actually that trinidad 16dc looks pretty cool.
An option is getting the Torium 14, it has a centrifugal brake, and performs like the Trinidad. |
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| Propster - 8/2/2011 12:09 AM
Or just buy a few spare springs to have on hand and replace it. Pretty easy actually, even for those less than mechanically inclined.
Right after I bought my 30 this spring, I called the dude up at Sportsman Repair in Mosinee, Wis., who is a guy who sees A LOT of reels each year. I called him for a different question, but the topic came up. He said that the springs were backordered from Diawa, and he had no idea when he'd get some in.
Have you bought your spares recently, propster?
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Location: Right behind you (tap, tap) BOOO | BINGO - so simple to fix you could do it on the water in 15 mins if necessary.
Problem is getting your hands on the springs. I bought a bunch when I found them and like a dumb-a$$ I miss placed them around the house somewhere... Better hurry up and find them as I think mine is getting a little weak. Most important thing with the spring is to NOT let if totally break while reeling, the fragments will get in the gears and then you have a problem. |
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| Just buy yourself a trinidad off of ebay. I bought myself one, and it cost me $200 only. Best investment I've made so far. If the bidding goes up higher than what you wish to pay for the trinidad, no worries. There will be plenty of other folks selling their trinidads on ebay and you might even get one for cheaper than $200. |
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| Patrick Chewing - 8/2/2011 10:38 AM
Isn't the only difference between the 20 and 30 spool width? The 20 isn't made for big blades but the 30 is?
You realize that almost no reels in muskie fishing are actually designed for what we do with them?
The saltist is a great reel. It's not designed to be cast and retrieved a thousand times per day. Keep a replacement spring in the box, they are cheap if you can find them and take minimal time to fix. |
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Location: MN | muskie-addict, try Trails End in Fridley, or Wayzata B&T |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | I took the spring out. It was broke in half. I put it back together and fished with it yesterday and it actually seems ok. Gonna try that out for a while. I wouldn't have any clue how a new spring would even fit in there. I barely got the reel put back together without it! |
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This is not a double 10 reel question but........