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Location: nappanee IN | where i work at a fast paced production shop-we do 2300 cabinets a day, 10 hours a day- i went out to a local pond to try out my new to me rod and reel.
a 7000 c-3 on a 8-6 xhvy st croix and i was throwing the mag tinsel tails and felt like my arm was gonna fall off!! i felt like saying" forget this stuff and stay with bass fishing" do i need a smaller outfit or different reel? i can palm the 7000 ok but maybe i need to try something different, i'm almost 55 so that doesn't help either. karol |
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| trying throwing smaller blades. mepps musky killers and smaller #8 still catch fish. sometimes better than 10's. |
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Location: Lebanon,Mo | Well the physical work day in and day out doesnt help,but can keep you some what "conditioned" when you do use heavy tackle as your body is already use to it..Another thing to keep in mind,and most forget,dont death grip your reel/rod.People always complain about sore hands and even catch myself squeezing too much.. |
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| i find using a revo winch helps with the 10's alot |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | missourimuskyhunter - 6/16/2011 9:23 PM Well the physical work day in and day out doesnt help,but can keep you some what "conditioned" when you do use heavy tackle as your body is already use to it..Another thing to keep in mind,and most forget,dont death grip your reel/rod.People always complain about sore hands and even catch myself squeezing too much.. Good post. There's being in shape and being in muskie shape. It's just like shooting a bow. You can be the strongest guy in the world, but if you aren't conditioned to draw, hold and shoot a bow, you can't pull back 70 lbs, while a scrawny kid who's conditioned to shoot can draw and shoot an 80 lb bow. Same thing. Last summer a buddy came to fish and he's not in "muskie shape" and he was good for about an hour of pulling 10's and he had to sit down. Later that night he had to pop some Advil. Same gear and baits as me, but he was shot. Give it a few outtings and you'll start to get your stamina up. That said, pulling and casting muskie baits can be hard on anyone, regardless of condition. Some just last longer than others. |
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| Not to sound like a wussy buy my hardest bait to work is a walk the dog type bait, my back muscles seize right up and im done after a 1/2 hour. But I can burn a double 13 for 14 hrs straight. Muskieshape is definitely the key! Working alot of muscles you dont otherwise work all year. |
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Location: Palm Coast, FL | Try holding the foregrip instead of palming the reel. |
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| I do use the foregrip. This year I started to twitch the rod off to the side to get it to walk instead of straight down and that has really helped, but my right side of my back still needs to get into muskyshape! |
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Location: Palm Coast, FL | Vince Weirick - 6/16/2011 11:22 PM
Try holding the foregrip instead of palming the reel.
Sorry...that comment was meant for karol. |
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Location: Bloomington, MN | The 7000C3 is a terrible reel for the DCG's. I had a Trinidad 16N and although it had the muscle to pull those baits at a great clip, the backlash/no level wind issue was what caused me to switch. My set up for the last few years has been a Daiwa Saltist 40??, the diameter of a coffee can, and a 8'6" Extra Heavy Tica with 100# Tuff Line. This is a budget minded outfit, and I don't think the BIG $$$ outfits are worth the exta change unless you spend lots of time on the water. I must admit since I "like" this outfit I have purchased other Tica rods. I have broke 2 of the lighter telescoping rods, and will not go back. The heaviest rod they make has served me well. I do get a few backlashes a day with the Saltist 40, but I drink and my level of concentration of capturing the long green bags of slime is not as intense as it was years go. When the sun goes down I switch to a short rod and a 7000c. The retrieve slows down and 90% of the fish hit on the "L" turn at boatside, and that is where the pool cue comes into play. They are not visually like owls and they sorta sit there and somewhat thrash until they are in the net. They do get dumber and much more docile at night. My physical condition at the age of 48 is bottom line ...pathetic! My upper torso appendenges look as ripped as the big eyed critter that walked out of the blinking sphere in the movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", but I can strill burn DCG's and 13's all day long without having those uncomfortable shocking paddles applied to my chest. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | karol - 6/16/2011 8:16 PM
where i work at a fast paced production shop-we do 2300 cabinets a day, 10 hours a day- i went out to a local pond to try out my new to me rod and reel.
a 7000 c-3 on a 8-6 xhvy st croix and i was throwing the mag tinsel tails and felt like my arm was gonna fall off!! i felt like saying" forget this stuff and stay with bass fishing" do i need a smaller outfit or different reel? i can palm the 7000 ok but maybe i need to try something different, i'm almost 55 so that doesn't help either. karol
I'd go with a smaller outfit all together, as well as an eaier pulling bait. If you are thinking it is too much work then it is. You can't enjoy fishing if the whole time you can't wait to be done casting.
Go to a smaller reel. If not properly balanced the longer rods can definitely tire your arms out much quicker than a shorter rod or one that is balanced. Going to the foregrip as mentioned will also help with fatigue.
Age don't help, but don't make that an excuse. In the profession you are in your arms should be plenty strong. However, look at working on all of your muscle groups. Even if it is just 1/2 hour a day. |
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Location: New Berlin,Wisconsin,53151 | I don't like to whine to much but I have the same problem. My job has me using tools and typing all day, I think that the old arther is starting in my wrist. I've been switchin baits and using some smaller twich baits when the advil wears off. The lake I fish has a smaller bait fish population so I'll match the bait with some smithwick or slammers. This is the 1st time I ever had a problem and it hasn't gone away yet but I'm hoping that it does.
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Location: Okoboji | well if you all are too tired to fish muddy will buy all your lures lol |
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Location: Pigeon Forge TN. | I agree with esoxfly, conditioning is the key. When I get to fish often, I become conditioned and have less after pain. But years when I only get out once or twice, I end up hurting like crazy.
I am semi-retired, ( couldn't stand sitting around) work in a gas station now, and am constantly custom painting lures on an almost daily basis besides keeping up with house maintenance chores and I will be 69 in August and can still draw my 70 pound Force ll mag. |
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Location: New Jersey | all you need is to bag a nice fatty and for some reason it doesnt hurt as much. (not that i have yet this season, but i am sure it will help)
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| I was having the same problem, being exhausted after 10 hour days of throwing big blades. I switched all my rod setups to Abu Garcia Revo Toro Winch 60. It solved all problems. It's perfect so if you prefer to palm the reel it's smaller profile and less stressful on your hand/wrist. Also, pulling in big #10 and #12 blades is no longer a problem, I can cast for hours and hours without complaints. There's even a power handle for extra pulling power. I can't recommend these reels enough. I have gotten at least FIVE of my friends to switch from their 7000's, 6600's, even a Calcutta, to the Revo Toro and ALL of them are LOVING IT!! It is a little bit of money, almost HALF the price of a calcutta though, and I PROMISE YOU, IT'S WORTH EVERY PENNY. You Will Not Regret buying a Revo.
Sincerely,
A musky fisherman in northern WI |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Just go Fish,....... You can rest when your dead........ Life is to short, enjoy it and celebrate it while you can.
Oh, and have some fun......
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Location: Brainerd, MN 56401 | No pain....no gain. |
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Location: syracuse indiana | agree karol, the last 2 posts were right on |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Phish - 6/17/2011 7:58 PM
I was having the same problem, being exhausted after 10 hour days of throwing big blades. I switched all my rod setups to Abu Garcia Revo Toro Winch 60. It solved all problems. It's perfect so if you prefer to palm the reel it's smaller profile and less stressful on your hand/wrist. Also, pulling in big #10 and #12 blades is no longer a problem, I can cast for hours and hours without complaints. There's even a power handle for extra pulling power. I can't recommend these reels enough. I have gotten at least FIVE of my friends to switch from their 7000's, 6600's, even a Calcutta, to the Revo Toro and ALL of them are LOVING IT!! It is a little bit of money, almost HALF the price of a calcutta though, and I PROMISE YOU, IT'S WORTH EVERY PENNY. You Will Not Regret buying a Revo.
Sincerely,
A musky fisherman in northern WI
A Toro reel is in the mid 10oz range and most only Musky reels are 13oz and up !!!
Y are U using a Boat Anchor of a reel when U could be using a 10oz Toro Reel ???? |
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Location: nappanee IN | the cost is number 1 reason. i traded some lures for the 7000 but now i'm kinda stuck with this reel. looking for trades for a smaller reel |
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Location: SE, WI. | Troll, Troll, Troll. You can always catch fish trolling...;-) |
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Location: syracuse indiana | what u looking for karol, i might have a reel around |
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| Karol,
With the larger handle of the 7000, they are perfect for larger bucktails. Vince is right... palm the handle... NOT the reel.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | Smaller lures may be your answer. One does not need a large lure to catch a big Muskie.
I injured my right arm last fall while working on the house and have recently reinjured it. I am now putting away my larger baits and just throwing the smaller lures. Fact is, small to mid-sized CJs spinner baits have caught far more fish in my boat than anything. The small, skirted double-bladed Colorados have been especially productive right up until the end of October. That is what I'll be throwing this year. Partly because of my arm and partly because they work better than any of the other 250 lures I own. Here is a link:
http://www.thornebros.com/muskie/baits/spinnerbaits/spinnerbaits_cj... |
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Location: Roscoe IL | Mix it up with different baits, try a ped seat and sit on the edge of your seat. I try to stay relaxed as possible, but the lower back seems to tense up in prime spots. It's just my posture and bracing for a strike. The best cure is either a follow, stike or best of all a fish in the net. Its amazing how that makes the pain go away. A cold beer break seems to help, but take it easy on those. As always the key to carrying on,, is not to get carried away when it comes to that, especialy when your at the wheel. As mentioned, the more time you put in the easier it gets.
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Location: Bemidji/Cass Lake | Its only been mentioned twice, use the fore grip to fish with that 7000. You can slide your hand down to palming when a fish is hooked or when going into a figure 8. That will help . |
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| relaxation and muskie fishing???
suckers,,,heave em out put the rod in the holder prop the feet up on the gunnel and you dont even hold the rod but instead a beverage of choice |
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| exercising, eating right, and making sure you are in good working order will help as well. BR |
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| Suck it up as you learn when to relax and when not to relax the whole time yer fishing. Did anyone above recommend making sure you have a rod long enough to do 8's without bending too far over and down on the side of the boat? |
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| Ain't it a B!@CH to get old! Thee old body doesn't work like it used too!
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| If you are doing manual work for 10 hrs a day your body has a right to be tired. I would get a toro reel that should help some, lightest rod too you can find will help. Also, you might trying going with smaller baits as the other guys have suggested. If you can fish better with smaller baits vs larger you will do better, presentation will be better and your mind might not tell you to quit as quickly. I bet other aspects such as figure 8'ing too would be better with the smaller baits. You can do more reps with 5 lb weights than 50 lb. Same concept! |
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| I don't think it has much to do with getting old, it is just a matter of old bad habits taking more of a toll on people as they get older. You fix the bad habits and the aches go away. I get motivated every time a 70 or so old person passes me on the mtn bike trail, that age and still getting it done. More to do with lifestyle than age. BR |
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too tired to fish?