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Location: Lake of the Woods, Morson, Ontario | I put this on on the resort forum this morning, but thought maybe the crew here would be interested as well.
Confirmed through Pure Fishing that this reel is no longer being made/offered.
Those of you that prefer the mid range gear ratio of the 5.4:1 model should think consider whether or not you would like another one of these before nobody has any left. Retailers will have a tough time restocking these reels as distributors run out of them, there won't be any more coming once the last run is gone.
The Toro 60 HS will still be available.
The Toro 60 Winch is backordered until July so availability before then could be an issue as well.
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Location: Okoboji | why???? |
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Location: Canada | That doesn't make any sense? |
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Location: Eagan, MN | Justin, were you able to get anymore info out of them? Is there a similar new model being introduced? |
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Location: Okoboji | Isn't it just the lefty that is being cut out |
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Location: Lake of the Woods, Morson, Ontario | It doesn't make any sense to me either. I tried to order the regular toro 60 through them and they said it was a no-go. They offered to send me the HS in place of both the regular toro and the winch that I have on backorder.
Confirmation came from corporate in SC. I'm not sure there will ever be a good reason for or answer to why.
Thorne has 10 left after I spoke for 2 of the dozen they have in the store. |
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Location: Okoboji | Well I might be thinking twice about selling my spare now.... |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | Huh...??????
What are they replacing it with...? I saw that Abu Garcia posted a new Revo "bass" reel on Facebook being sponsored by Mike Iaconelli. But there hasn't been any mention of a new Revo Toro-series reel at all.
This is disheartening. Looks like I better get another 5.4:1 reel as a back-up. Or... I hope they come out with a new and improved replacement sometime soon.
Anyone able to get any other additional information out of Abu Garcia??? |
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Location: Des Moines IA | I would think the 5:4 to 1 is the most popular ratio for the Toros myself? Maybe not though? Hopefully they have something new in the works. |
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Location: Eagan, MN | I would have to think they have something new in the works... maybe a well kept secret will be revealed at icast in july. If not we'll just have to wait for shimano's rumored low profile 500. |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | cast10K - 5/25/2011 12:45 PM I would have to think they have something new in the works... maybe a well kept secret will be revealed at icast in july. If not we'll just have to wait for shimano's rumored low profile 500.
I really hope that's the case. I cannot imagine them flat-out discontinuing a reel that has always gotten rave reviews.
Hard to imagine they're even able to significantly improve upon a reel that everyone seems to love (at least, those of us who love low-profile baitcasters)
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Location: Okoboji | Shimano 500. That sounds awesome |
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| MyliesPlace(Justin) - 5/25/2011 11:42 AM
I put this on on the resort forum this morning, but thought maybe the crew here would be interested as well.
Confirmed through Pure Fishing that this reel is no longer being made/offered.
Those of you that prefer the mid range gear ratio of the 5.4:1 model should think consider whether or not you would like another one of these before nobody has any left. Retailers will have a tough time restocking these reels as distributors run out of them, there won't be any more coming once the last run is gone.
The Toro 60 HS will still be available.
The Toro 60 Winch is backordered until July so availability before then could be an issue as well.
What the H? |
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| Forgive my ignorance and in no way am I trying to discredit the post but...
What is "Pure Fishing" and how do they tie into what products Abu Garcia sells, makes, or discontinues?
It would seem irrational to discontinue a reel that everyone loves and the stores can never keep in stock---what am I missing?
Funny I just received my second Torr 60-- 5.4:1 in the mail from MTO---now I have two of them to go along with the 60 winch.
Best reel I have ever used period. If the report is true glad I already have two of them!
Talk about a strange world---they keep making the C 3 and discontinue the Torro 60-5.4:1---perhaps the federal government was involved in this decision? |
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Location: North Central IL USA | Storm Strike - 5/25/2011 5:00 PM
Talk about a strange world---they keep making the C 3 and discontinue the Torro 60-5.4:1---perhaps the federal government was involved in this decision?
Right! This is insanity!! |
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Location: Eagan, MN | Storm Strike - 5/25/2011 5:00 PM
Forgive my ignorance and in no way am I trying to discredit the post but...
What is "Pure Fishing" and how do they tie into what products Abu Garcia sells, makes, or discontinues?
It would seem irrational to discontinue a reel that everyone loves and the stores can never keep in stock---what am I missing?
Funny I just received my second Torr 60-- 5.4:1 in the mail from MTO---now I have two of them to go along with the 60 winch.
Best reel I have ever used period. If the report is true glad I already have two of them!
Talk about a strange world---they keep making the C 3 and discontinue the Torro 60-5.4:1---perhaps the federal government was involved in this decision?
Pure Fishing = parent company for abu
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pure+fishing |
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| $275, they aren't selling enough or not making a big enough profit!! Let them go and they'll bring it back in two years for half the money. I hope |
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Location: Wisconsin | 50 size too? |
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Location: Hugo, MN | I heard something about this before, but thought it was just the leftys. The rumor was that people generally wanted either the winch or the high speed. This doesn't make sense to people in our little musky world, but it makes sense in the grand scheme of things. I hope this is true and they go on clearance soon. I'd probably buy a couple. |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | I sent a message to Abu Garcia last night on Facebook. They responded to me via Facebook message.
At 7:13 a.m. (CST), they wrote: "Scott, the news you have heard is true. The Revo Toro 50/51 & 60/61 reel in the 5.4:1 gear ratio will be discontinued later this year. The Revo Toro Winch and Revo Toro HS models will continue to be available."
Sad, indeed. There was no mention if a new reel would be taking its place. I did ask the question and understandbly so, they avoided it. |
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Location: Okoboji | sucks |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Weird news. Maybe I am glad I never bought one... won't know what I'm missing. I know the musky segment of the market is quite small compared to the others, but this still seems like a mistake? My bass reels are not high or low speed either... What is the reel marketed towards? Seems kind of big for a bass reel, I don't see people dropping that much money on a catfish reel. What else are big reels commonly used for in freshwater?
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Location: APPLETON, WI | It makes no sense to me at all. I think the 5.4:1 gear ratio coupled with the line retrieve per crank was a good middle-point for most baits. I could see eliminating either the Winch or the HS since they're really focused to ONE particular type of retrieve, bait type, etc, etc. Overall, it just seems like a horrible marketing decision on Abu Garcia's part.
I can only hope that they will soon replace it with something else.
Like I said, on their Facebook page... they did just recently premier a new Revo bass reel that Mike Iaconelli seems to be sponsoring fairly hard. Perhaps they're revamping things and have a new Revo Toro in the works, as well?
Nonetheless, I'm disappointed. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Look at it this way on a 75' cast with 5.4:1 gears you will turn the reel handle 34.6 times to reel in a bait, with 4.6:1 gears you will have turn the reel handle 40.9 times, only 6.3 more turns of the handle. The 6.4:1 you will turn the handle only 29 times. The Musky segment is so small in the big picture of fishing world, I can see why they are pulling the plug on the 5.4:1 gears.
I wonder if the Shimano 500 will have more then 1 gear ????
I heard it will not be out this year, maybe 2013. |
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| Bad News,Folks !!!
To me it is a marketing's choice and nothing else...
I suggest two solutions:
1) Buy them online in Europe ( Italy,Germany,Sweden,French,Holland,ecc. )
2) Buying 50-51/60-61 Toro HS and/or 50-51/60-61 Toro Winch and change their main gear with a 5.4:1 main gear (if you don't find the 5.4:1 gear in Usa/Canada ,try to find it online in Europe)
Hope to help you
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Location: APPLETON, WI | PIKEMASTER - 5/26/2011 9:39 AM Look at it this way on a 75' cast with 5.4:1 gears you will turn the reel handle 34.6 times to reel in a bait, with 4.6:1 gears you will have turn the reel handle 40.9 times, only 6.3 more turns of the handle. Pikemaster: When you put it in terms like this, it actually doesn't sound that bad at all. Thanks for this information. I'm still wondering if Abu Garcia is perhaps leaving the door open a bit for Shimano. Depending upon the specifics of this new Shimano 500 coming out (if/when that happens) there may be some individuals making the switch. |
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Location: Canada | Pikemaster is exactly right as far as why I own a 61 Winch and a 61 HS. That is why I own two but its my understanding that a lot of guys buy just the 5.4:1 regular Toro and it makes sense for them to buy that one when owning just one. Seems a little odd that this reel would be discontinued. |
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Location: Denmark | esoxone - 5/26/2011 9:52 AM
Bad News,Folks !!!
To me it is a marketing's choice and nothing else...
I suggest two solutions:
1) Buy them online in Europe ( Italy,Germany,Sweden,French,Holland,ecc. )
2) Buying 50-51/60-61 Toro HS and/or 50-51/60-61 Toro Winch and change their main gear with a 5.4:1 main gear (if you don't find the 5.4:1 gear in Usa/Canada ,try to find it online in Europe)
Hope to help you
pikeone
I just ordered one in the UK for 227 USD
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Location: Okoboji | all this post is making me want is the new curado 500 lol |
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| Well done,Killerbug !!!
At which shop ?
( you can send to me a PM if you wish)
esoxone |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | kodiak - 5/26/2011 2:02 PM all this post is making me want is the new curado 500 lol Yes, to this. I wanna see the stats on this thing. |
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| sport chalet online. has the 50 (5:4:1) on sale for $202, shipped and not tax for some. i assume those will be discontinued as well. |
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Location: Elgin IL | What a shock ABU discontinued a model....buy shimano no worries |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | msky3 - 5/27/2011 4:59 PM What a shock ABU discontinued a model... ...considering it's one of their top sellers, yes, it is.  |
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| Looking at my BPS catalog.......the Winch, Toro 60 and Toro HS pick up 22", 26" and 31" respectively. For what its worth.
This news is perplexing. Gotta be one of the most popular reels out there now. Unless they're INCREDIBLY labor intensive to make, they've gotta be making a nice profit at $280 a pop. |
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Location: Oswego, IL | Looks like I will be buying a few extra sets of 5:4:1 gears asap from them. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | kodiak - 5/26/2011 2:02 PM
all this post is making me want is the new curado 500 lol
I know that Shimano is redoing the Chronarch, here is a pic of new reel. They are also redoing the Curado E series, and the new 500 ???????????
Not sure if I can make ICAST this year, but will post what I hear from my source at Shimano.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | We will be at ICAST, just ask in the ICAST thread what you need to find out and we'll go get an interview. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | PSYS - 5/26/2011 10:13 AM
It makes no sense to me at all. I think the 5.4:1 gear ratio coupled with the line retrieve per crank was a good middle-point for most baits. I could see eliminating either the Winch or the HS since they're really focused to ONE particular type of retrieve, bait type, etc, etc. Nonetheless, I'm disappointed.
thats the name of the game these days you know. They will sell more equipment with products focused on one particular technique, leading people to believe that you need 20 different rod/reel combos before you even dare step on the water, im exaggerating ofcourse, but you get my point. |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | JakeStCroixSkis - 5/30/2011 7:58 PM thats the name of the game these days you know. They will sell more equipment with products focused on one particular technique, leading people to believe that you need 20 different rod/reel combos before you even dare step on the water, im exaggerating ofcourse, but you get my point. Actually, when you put it like that Jake - it makes perfect sense. Didn't even think of it in those terms. I'm forgetting about the money-hungry, greedy, business sense of the industry. |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | sworrall - 5/30/2011 8:20 AM We will be at ICAST, just ask in the ICAST thread what you need to find out and we'll go get an interview. Where is the iCast thread? I'd be interested in finding out more about Shimano's "Revo Toro killer" i.e., Shimano 500... supposedly, that's been the buzz on a couple of other forums. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Imagine that, a business trying to make money. Much better to lose money, and go out of business.
The fishing tackle business overall has been in the tank for several years in a way never seen before, and is just this year showing clear signs of recovery, much less coming even close to pre-recession sales.
The reel has been out long enough for Pure Fishing to make a decision on keeping it in the line or discontinuing it based upon cost/sales figures. The Muskie market is not going to make...or break... a Pure Fishing product's success unless targeted specifically at it. Removing a successful product to drive sales of a less successful product isn't likely to be the situation.
TJ works with Pure Fishing quite a bit, I'll see if he can get some sort of statement. |
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| The winch is a great reel but in my mind it does not substitute for quicker pickup needed for ripping twitch baits. I might be OK with the high speed gear but will hopefully have the regular Revo Toro long enough to replace a few gear sets (which will hopefully remain available). So far a year running on the Revo Toro with nothing so much as a levelwind pawl replaced. It is by far a more durable reel than the C3 or Record. |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | sworrall - 5/31/2011 8:04 AM Imagine that, a business trying to make money. Much better to lose money, and go out of business.
Not sure I recall anyone making that kind of comment, Steve...?
sworrall - 5/31/2011 8:04 AM The fishing tackle business overall has been in the tank for several years in a way never seen before, and is just this year showing clear signs of recovery, much less coming even close to pre-recession sales.
I believe based on the state of our country's current economy (or lack thereof), the same could [probably] be said of most industries. Nonetheless, I'd be interested in seeing the data you have showing the progression of the fishing industry into its downward spiral you've reference above. How much data do you have and how far does it go back? Is this a nationwide report for all of the U.S. or are we talking about a niche market like one state in particular? |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | I think Steve was referring to my comment, as well as PSYS's input on my comment. I was simply stating that from a business standpoint, they would generate more business and in turn, profit, from this new phenomenon that fisherman(espcecially musky fishermen) need a rod/reel combination for every technique. I'm not bashing them for trying to make money, I was just stating what comes to my mind when I heard they were discontinuing this " in the middle" or "universal" reel. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I was responding to this: 'I'm forgetting about the money-hungry, greedy, business sense of the industry.'
PSYS,
I work in the fishing industry and have for over 35 years. Currently, OFM works directly with a couple dozen marine and fishing tackle related companies, two professional organizations, and works within and covers the competitive angling world of Bass and Walleye. Right now, Zach, Carlos, TJ, and I are at an Anglers Insight marketing event. We shoot interviews, operate the web property, shoot the images, write the reports and during-the-event releases, operate the live leaderboard while working in concert with Sour Squirrel Studios...we make the event available to the general public through a multi-camera wirecast and on the web at http://www.aimfishing.com
The final day the top 5 are set up with GPS units, and fans can track their favorite Pro during the day on a very unique Navionics Overlay map live, and watch video reports from in each rig up to the live weigh in.
I'll be at a Midwest Walleye Series event Sunday on Winnebago, (stop by and check out the weigh in), making the run after closing up the trailer with the final AIM press release Saturay night from Brimley, Michigan. TJ leaves next week Wednesday to the next BASS Elite after buttoning up the AIM trailer and getting it back to storage. Thomas Allen covers the FLW for OFM, and will be onsite at Leech Lake for the next FLW Walleye Tour event.
We see the industry from several viewpoints from the corporate boardroom to the competitive angler's rig.
We'll be attending three saltwater events this year as well, and believe it or not, will be covering the International Carp championships this year in New York.
It's a big fishing world out there.
We attend ICAST every year working with our clients and covering the show, so watch for that thread during the show; we shoot multiple interviews a day covering new introductions, emerging news at ICAST, etc.
Overall, the fishing tackle industry fell on harder times about the time 9/11 happened; but the 90's were incredible...it was a very hard fall. A slow recovery was blasted out of existence when the current recession hit. Budgets are tight, staffs have been cut, and the industry as a whole has suffered world wide. There's a light at the end of a tunnel now, and it's looking very much like it isn't a train,which is good.
The short answer from Pure Fishing today was simple:
That model reel wasn't selling well. The two still being built are.
The strongest freshwater growth segment by percentage in the US has been Muskies, but overall sales when taken as a segment are still small compared to salt and other freshwater species targeted tackle. What we see as reality contained within the world of muskies may not match up with the realities a company like Pure Fishing has to live within.
The marine business has been very tough. Boat sales last year were at levels not seen since the 60's. Factories have closed, layoffs were the rule, and that's JUST begun to turn around this year...thank goodness.
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Location: APPLETON, WI | Steve:
I appreciate the thorough reply. I'll do a search for the event on Winnebago this Sunday and see if I can make it down there. Not sure what I've got going on this Sunday. Whereabouts are you gonna be set up on Winnebago?
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Shimano is trying to keep a lower price but I hope the QUALITY don't go out the window. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | PSYS,
Menominee Park in Osh kosh. Well run tournament, entertaining weigh ins. I'll be the guy with the cameras by the stage, hope to see you there. |
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| I heard all 20 series curados are are sale now because the newest model will be coming out shortly and made in malaysia...sadly the 300 and 50's will probably follow in that direction. I would like to see a 300 series chronarch with 5.1 gears but I doubt we will ever see such an animal. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | sk - 6/3/2011 8:25 AM
I heard all 20 series curados are are sale now because the newest model will be coming out shortly and made in malaysia...sadly the 300 and 50's will probably follow in that direction. I would like to see a 300 series chronarch with 5.1 gears but I doubt we will ever see such an animal.
Now if U see the CURADO 300E go on sale, then I will bet the 300E Curado will be discountinued for the new 500 Reel ???????????????? |
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