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Location: Eastern Ontario | I got one of these this winter off a raffle table
Anyone have any experience (good or bad) with this lure? I think it uses screw eyes that I am not a big fan of although I have not had one fail |
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Location: Wakefield, MI | I'm interested to hear opinions on this lure, want to try one out. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | I gave mine away I don't trust screw eyes. If I hook a monster I dont want to reel in a half a lure. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Just an FYI on the screw eyes. They are epoxied in and are all 1.5" long. The nose screw eye is 2" long. I have never gotten a customer report of failure....yet... I have heard of screw eyes failing but generally that is on very old baits with wood rot. If you want a bait with through wire try one of my 11" Mag Shads or 9" Nokken baits. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | James I have both and like them very much I just cant bring myself to trust screw eyes. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | To keep this going a little has anybody used eithe the solid or jointed Grunt? They look pretty good and are a big bait for sure.
I wouldn't let the screw eyes bother you. Weagles use Screw Eyes too and have caught lots of big fish. Never heard of a problem. The only difference is if you have a bait that's been absolutely beat to death for years and years you have to know when to retire it, but that goes for through wire too. |
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Location: Minneapolis | I have a straight one and didn't get any fish on it this summer, but the action is really unique. It kicks like a glide bait almost 90 degrees each turn.
P.S. A suick has a screw eye in the nose... |
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Location: Land of the Musky | You are all correct on the other lures that use screw eyes, I just did not want to bring other popular lures up...but since you did  May other popular lures use them and for years and years have been.... Lots of the very popular basement baits use screw eyes too. I have personally tried to pull out a 092 screw eye and with 100#s of pounds of force have only straightened out the screw eye. It never broke or split the wood. I guarantee you your line or leader will break long before that screw eye pulls out.... |
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Location: South-Central PA | Nothing at all wrong with screw eyes. I'm not sure why some guys shy away from them. I have yet to have a bait failure with them. I weigh 210 lbs and I can hang on a 1.5" stainless screw eye and it won't pull out of a bait. Like James said, it will straighten with that kind of weight on it but it won't pull out. There isn't a muskie out there that can pull out a properly anchored screw eye. I've heard a few stories of guys having them pull out of baits...but no backround info was provided so who knows. Had to be an old bait. I've even heard stories of guys saying they unscrew out of a bait with a fish on...I'm still trying to figure out how a fish holds the bait and unscrews the screw eye. Most of them don't have fins long enough to grab hold of the bait....
Case in point: I was fishing a lake in northern PA a few weekend ago and my buddy hung one of my custom cranks on a log in 12' of water. The log was about 20" in diameter and 25' long with a big root ball on the end. I got the lure retriever hooked up and it took two of us to pull that log up off the mud at the bottom of the lake. I have parachute cord attached to my retriever and we ran it around the boat cleat because the log was too heavy to hold on to while we unhooked the lure. The lure retriever was snagged on the leader and both hooks were in the log. We lifted that beast off the bottom and the screw eyes didn't budge. I have complete confidence in screw eyes!
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Location: Wakefield, MI | How does the 17" jointed compare to the 16" straight? I generally prefer straight lures to jointed but never used one this big. |
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Location: Ohio | Just keep in mind guy's what your line test is, that's you weakest link. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | The jointed has about a 22"-26" wide glide and the 16" straight has a 30"+ wide glide. They really swing wide.
Video: This is next to a 9" Grandma for reference.
http://www.youtube.com/v/vKuq5dKNFwE
The Grunt has a double glide to one side many times. Really unique glide pattern with this bait. I was honestly just trying to make a monster sized Grandma and got something really unique lure.
James
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| Tackle Industries - 10/15/2012 6:52 PM
The jointed has about a 22"-26" wide glide and the 16" straight has a 30"+ wide glide. They really swing wide.
Video: This is next to a 9" Grandma for reference.
http://www.youtube.com/v/vKuq5dKNFwE
The Grunt has a double glide to one side many times. Really unique glide pattern with this bait. I was honestly just trying to make a monster sized Grandma and got something really unique lure.
James
Holy cow.
Never seen a crank swing like that! |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Nice thing is that you can troll them up to 5mph with that crazy swing. All hand made in the USA too.
James
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Location: Oregon | The topic of screw eyes is always an interesting one. Like James, I have tested screw eyes and they straghten before they pull out. As I recall, I attached about 50 pounds of weight to the screw and then drop it over and over again on a slack line before the screw straightened. I'm not saying it's impossible for a screw to fail but it's very unlikely with most woods and large screws. I have 100% confidence in screw eyes on any fish in freshwater.
Another thing to think about is the pull on a screw eye is seldom in one direction, a fish pulls left, right, rolls, etc., so the pull may often be at angle rather than straight away from the lure body. We also have a drag on the reel which in theory should allow for some give of the line before the tackle gives out.
We catch spring and fall chinook in the Columbia River on K13-K15 kwikfish which are hollow plastic baits. The screws go into small plastic pegs and the screws themselves are about half the size or less those typically used on musky lures. I have never once seen one of these screws fail or come out on a chinook and the battles can often be epic.........long hard runs in very swift water with 20- to 50 pound fish.
I have also hooked and landed sturgeon (while salmon fishing) in heavy current up to 8 feet in length and several hundred pounds on Kwikfish, again, with tiny little screw eyes.
Here is a video showing guys using kwikfish for kings that will give you an idea of how hard they can pull in the current on tiny little screw eyes with no problem. You can see the kwikfish hanging in the driftboat at the beginning of the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gaiwvya6_k
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Location: Wakefield, MI | RiverMan - 10/16/2012 2:34 PM
The topic of screw eyes is always an interesting one. Like James, I have tested screw eyes and they straghten before they pull out. As I recall, I attached about 50 pounds of weight to the screw and then drop it over and over again on a slack line before the screw straightened. I'm not saying it's impossible for a screw to fail but it's very unlikely with most woods and large screws. I have 100% confidence in screw eyes on any fish in freshwater.
Another thing to think about is the pull on a screw eye is seldom in one direction, a fish pulls left, right, rolls, etc., so the pull may often be at angle rather than straight away from the lure body. We also have a drag on the reel which in theory should allow for some give of the line before the tackle gives out.
We catch spring and fall chinook in the Columbia River on K13-K15 kwikfish which are hollow plastic baits. The screws go into small plastic pegs and the screws themselves are about half the size or less those typically used on musky lures. I have never once seen one of these screws fail or come out on a chinook and the battles can often be epic.........long hard runs in very swift water with 20- to 50 pound fish.
I have also hooked and landed strugeon in heavy current up to 8 feet in length and several hundred pounds on Kwikfish, again, with tiny little screw eyes.
Here is a video showing guys using kwikfish for kings that will give you an idea of how hard they can pull in the current on tiny little screw eyes with no problem. You can see the kwikfish hanging in the driftboat at the beginning of the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gaiwvya6_k
Jed
Wow, that equipment is getting the crap kicked out of it. |
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| Who has any of the 16 inch in stock ? I would really like to try trolling this bait before ice up |
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Location: Minneapolis | An 8-10 inch grunt with the same action would be awesome. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | We have then. just email use at [email protected]
I can send you pictures of what I have. Tyler Wolf just painted up a bunch of jointed Grunts for me and has some straight Grunts on the way. I also have some straight Grunts ready too. Just email me and I will send you pictures.
James
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Location: Oconomowoc, WI | That video is pretty awesome! I'm not much of a troller myself, but those rods loaded up like that in the video are hard not to get excited about. Probably about as exciting as having a rod load up when trolling a 16 or 17 inch lure!
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Location: Oregon | Yea, I love this video, they are spectacular fighters and it really demonstrates just how strong a tiny screw eye can be. You can see the fish in the beginning of the video running upstream into heavy current and still jumping like crazy. Chinook are made to swim continuosly which makes them powerful fighters. Glad you enjoyed the video.
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Location: Sussex, NJ | Hey James would you every make a smaller grunt with the same action? |
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Location: Land of the Musky | fishfirst92 - 10/18/2012 8:30 PM
Hey James would you every make a smaller grunt with the same action?
Brandon,
I have thought about it and even have 8" and 10" prototypes that run very well. Just time and money at this point  I would like to make them though. I have a guy in PA and one in West Virginia that can cut me out blanks by the hundreds once I decide to go with it. They do not have as wide of a glide but do have a big swing to them.
James
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | horsehunter - 10/14/2012 6:00 PM
I gave mine away I don't trust screw eyes. If I hook a monster I dont want to reel in a half a lure.
You won't have to worry much about that 1.1/2 " screw failing on you since you can't catch fish over,... ah never mind... ....and I thought you loved to use Weagles??? which also have screws??
I think the lure is pretty well built.
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Location: Sussex, NJ | Thanks James! Let me know when you get them made! Id really want a few 8"ers! |
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The jointed 17 inch Grunt from Tackle Industries