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| Trying to confirm from actual 115 owners what the after-market equivalent of Yamaha's oil filter is? Fram, K&N, Sierra, etc. I take care of my stuff, but I don't need to spend $24 on an oil FILTER. My truck seems to be doing just fine on Fram filters......195k, thank you very much.
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hiya,
Fram PH6017A
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Location: Red Wing, Minnesota | Here goes:
Cross reference oil filters for Yamaha's (Denso) 5GH-13440-00 filter:
Fram PH6017A - (Cheap filter, not recommended)
NAPA 1358 - Made by WIX
WIX 51358 (high quality)
AC PF2057
K&N KN-143 Note: Possibly also, KN-303
Mercury 35-822626
Denso 115010-5390
Emgo 10-82230
AC PF2135 or 3593AFD
Hastings HASLF113 (Supposed to be very high quality)
Amsoil SDF13
All of the above information was gathered years ago by others. Comments are not mine. I have never paid as much as you have for a Yamaha filter. I still buy the Yamaha filter @ around $13 -15. A once a year task (most years) isn't going to break the bank. The others may work better or not. I decided to stick with Yamaha for peace of mind.
Good Luck
Edited by Spallgard 4/22/2011 10:26 PM
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| Thanks to you both. I turned up the Fram # on an internet search, and also found the 303 from K&N. I'll print that out and take it into Ghetto Zone or Napa and see what they recommend and prolly will just get out a dart and give it a toss in the end. Ghetto Zone had a hard time doing much with the 5GH.....number. They found one that matched, but I wasn't overly confident it was a match since they had to search for it by part number, not by engine.
The cost of a Yammy filter and recommended lube not break the bank, but what are you gaining for the money? Yamaha filter and Yamalube....what's the cost there? $60? Price difference is a tankful of gas. (at least it was before petrol went nutz) Which I guess isn't much, or might be alot, depending on how much fuel you burn annually, but again, what do you gain? Can anyone honestly say they ran a Fram filter and Resolute oil and their cylinder walls were eaten away in a month? Doubt it.
Like I said in my original post the "cheap" Fram PH8A that goes on my Silverado seems to have kept it limping along for close to 200k miles. With zero engine/oil issues. The way I understand it, Honda's 130hp was the engine in some of the Honda Civics. Huh, an outboard engine and a car engine....in one.
Honestly, is there a cleaner environment for oil and internal combustion than an outboard motor? Sure you might drag it down some dusty backroads, but while its running, you'll never pull cleaner air through an engine or have less dirt and grime present. Yeah, sure, lack of use, breakdown of fluids, blah, blah. FILTER is the key word, which implies dirt and grime....of which there is next to none.
I'm just wondering how much we overthink this stuff, in terms of high dollar replacement stuff like filters. When stuff breaks down on outboards, seems pretty often its intake or timing related, or some random bearing, or an injector or a leaky seal, or something totally unrelated to lubrication and cylinder pressure/seals/rings.
Anyway, thanks again. Doin' my annual lube job on Sunday. Fun task. Thank God for GoJo.
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Location: Kodiak, AK | Where are you paying $24? I spend like $14 at my dealer. | |
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Location: Red Wing, Minnesota | Yamalube is a total rip-off and waste of money. Yamaha oil filters are extremely over-priced. You are correct. I use Mobil 1 synthetic (and Yamaha oil filters) in my F115 and have since the first oil change. It has been flawless since 2002.
I have a mini-van we bought new in 1999 that I still drive for work. 197000 miles. It's seen nothing but CHEAP Fram oil filters. Research on the internet by guys like you and I have come up with this information to get good performance and to save money. Fram oil filters are cheap and CHEAP. Will I use one in my F115? NO. Will I use one in my minivan? Why not? It's my choice.
You asked for options, I have given you some. It's your choice.
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| And I appreciate your advice and participation. Something about the price of oil and filters and what they actually do for you got stuck in my craw as I was trying to find an alternative filter # for this engine.
So I gotta pick your brain a little. Why go CHEAP cheap on the thing that carries you to and from work.....which has provided everything which you see around you.....including that 115, but put a brand name filter on the outboard motor?
Not questioning you or your decision. Just sort of thinking out loud. I don't want you to think I'm up in your grill about this.
We all make interesting decisions. I've smoked, chewed, drank, drove home hammered, etc., enough times in the last 15 years that my 9 lives should be almost up by now. Not to mention the other stupid activities I did while involved with those activities. Yet, despite all the hazards and toxins there, I've just told myself I won't put a Green Bay walleye in my livewell? Where's the logic in that? Done having kids, basically heallthy otherwise, etc. But I pick GB 'eyes to enforce my flip-flopping health ideal.
I was googling up numbers for oil filters and got on some site and guys were cutting apart oil filters analyzing the foam screen separator thingies inside them, and talking parts per million this, and Fram that, and going on and on about things I'd never thought about. All of a sudden I'm feeling guilty about my engine, like I'm not a good parent and I should give the thing up for adoption to someone who will actually take good care of it.
And then I realized that its a frickin' motor! A neglectful friend went 6 years without changing oil in his 115. Will my engine notice the difference if I run cheap oil and filter? Will I tell the difference if I run a genuine Yamaha filter with the Japanese writing on it and Yamalube next time? Would a motor you went through six calendars between changing its oil run differently the day after you put synthetic in it and a Yamaha filter?
These are rhetorical questions I do not intend to get or need an answer to. Its just my protest to all the fancy crap people try to sell us, when none of it likely makes any difference at all to the thing its being applied to. Dismounting from atop my soap box now.
Thanks again for the filter numbers.
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Location: Perryville, MO | Addict, that was fun. There are a few other soapboxes I'd like to hear you from in the future. Just my $.02. Others may or may not agree.
I appreciate that we all make interesting choices. In terms of caring for our outboards I can offer just my own line of reasoning. Currently I'm way over due on needing to change the oil in my vechicle. It bugs me a bit. No good reason I haven't gotten it done. Usually I'm far more responsible about it. (In fact, just having said that I'm going to take care of it today.) But here's the deal. I absolutely need my vehicle. It's not a luxury. (OK, maybe aspects of the vehicle I drive are a luxury, but owning some means of getting from point A to point B is not.) If something goes wrong it's got to be fixed immediately. No complaints from my wife about that. If it can't be fixed I'll be at the dealership buying a new one the same day (or at least a used one). However, my outboard is a luxury. (Well, more-or-less. It could be argued for mental health reasons that it is not, but...) If it breaks down, and I can't scratch up the cash, in theory I may have to live without it for a while (I may also not be on speaking terms with my wife or myself over the issue, but that's the reality).
I do agree that the difference (if there is one) is miniscule. I congratulate you for saying to heck with it. We make choices. If the $3-4 difference makes you feel better, good work. For me, balancing the luxury/non-luxury thing I'll spend the silly extra cash and if and when something does go wrong be sure to tell Yammie that I've spent the darn extra money using their worthless oil and filters.
Edited by hawkeye9 4/23/2011 9:07 AM
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| hawkeye9 - 4/23/2011 9:05 AM
Addict, that was fun. There are a few other soapboxes I'd like to hear you from in the future. Just my $.02. Others may or may not agree.
What does that mean exactly?
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| Just a follow up after doing some digging around to try to find an after-market filter for this engine.....
Went to three places without finding a filter that would fit my engine. All big national chain auto parts type places. They had to do alot of cross referencing of the original 5GH-...... number, as none of them had any of the filters in stock on the above list, nor could they cross it with any brand they carried.
Wound up ordering the WIX 5138 or whatever it was. Should be in by Friday. HUGE variance in prices. The WIX was under $4. Some of the others on the list above were in the $17 range.
Asked the guy at one of the places about Fram, as I'd heard on this thread and other places that they ain't the best quality filter you can buy. Was all set to buy one because I'd made up my mind I didn't care, until.......he tells me that some 'clip' inside Fram filters is prone to failing. Evidently Fram has just been slapped with a lawsuit within the last few months. Something about these internal 'clips' opening up and just letting oil flow freely through the filter w/o passing through any of the screens. Which is bad for a couple of reasons.
Needless to say, I declined when he asked if he should go get the 6017a he had on the shelf in the back.
Thought I'd pass this along for any other cheap bastards like me who might be looking to stage a similar one-man protest. You can have a pretty decent non-Yamaha filter for pennies more than a Fram. | |
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Location: Perryville, MO | Addict,
Sorry I wasn't clear. My point was simply that I liked what you had to say. You made several points that I appreciated. I, too, think that we get sold a whole lot of "fancy crap" that doesn't truly make a difference. Oil and filters may just be some of that fancy stuff that doesn't really matter. As I said, this just happens to be one of the places where I'm willing to "get sold." It's probably not really worth it, though. However, one other point that I kind of made, but not all that clearly is: if trouble arises how will the warranty come into play? Anyway I liked your rant and it caused me to rethink name-brand products of oil and filters. Especially considering that I had to wait two weeks for my supplier to get more Yama-lube.
Matt
Edited by hawkeye9 4/26/2011 10:30 AM
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| Cool. I do have a tendency of teeing off on random things from time to time......
Yeah, if I was still between my warranty goal posts, sure. Might even be something in the fine print about it requiring certified lub/filter, etc. They'll wiggle out of stuff any way they can. I bought mine used and 2-3 years out of warranty so that wasn't really a concern for me.
Pulled the oil pan plug and let the oil drain and she's sitting sans oil right now until my filter comes in. New oil is sitting in the boat on the captain's chair...so there's no way I'd drive her to the lake and start a dry motor by accident. Figure that should make putting the new filter on a very un-messy job this time, with several days of draining time.
Related question....is the oil drain plug sposed to have a nylon bushing on it? This doesn't. Only the second time changing it myself, don't remember it being there last time. Pretty much a dead stop metal-to-metal contact when you bottom out the drain plug bolt against the pan. Should there be some sort of a gasket or a bushing to 'squish' and give you a little bit of sponge? Kinda paranoid now about that bolt rattling loose.
-Eric
Everybody's "crazy" different.
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Location: Red Wing, Minnesota | Yes, there is a gasket for the drain plug. It's metal. (Easy to lose if not paying close attention) Once finger snug tighten 1/4 to 1/2 turn more. (just like a spark plug) It's not a squish ring like a plug though. (Of course there is a torque spec for this too.) Yamaha says to replace the gasket at every oil change...... They cost $25 each.
Just Kidding. (About the price)
Yamaha Part No. 90430-14M09-00
P.S. Thanks for the new scoop on FRAM filters.
Edited by Spallgard 4/26/2011 4:55 PM
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| I bought four nylon washers at Ghetto Zone for $3.19. Put one on and I guess I'll run the paddles and the garden hose on 'er in the driveway before putting the rig in the water. It didn't leak (or thankfully rattle loose and fall out) with just a naked plug bolt there since last August, so pretty sure it will be fine with a nylon washer. But, we'll find out.
Pamp's in Green Bay listed the washer at 5 bux I think. Yikers!
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Yamaha 115 oil filter (2002)