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| Hi guys! I ask to experts such as equipment, rigging and how to pull the pike, I fish on a deep glacial lake.
so all you hear say on reels, rods, baits, and tecnique.
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Location: Illinois | Okuma Magda Pro DX Line Counter Reel
8’ Heavy Action E-Glass Custom X Trolling Model Fishing Rod
7.5 inch Walleye Big Game Scuba Diver
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Location: Richfield, MN | I seen the Cutoom X rods at the MN Expo last weekend and they really look like they would fit the bill. The quality of the workmanship is 2nd to none.
I sure wished I would have had the money to pick up a rod from them as they looked awesome. I will be needing a trolling rod soon and will be looking closer a theres when it comes time to get 2 trolling rods.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Custom X trolling rods are cutting edge, team that with a New ABU ALPHMR reel and tie on a Storm Giant Flat Stick. |
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| come on...$270 for a trolling rod?!? |
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Location: SW MI | Can't go wrong with the $15 Gander Mtn. Catfish rods, I know it's not "muskie specific" but it does the job. |
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Location: SW MI | The Magda reel will work as will most any line counter reel. I use the Shakespear LC which is $40. Get the Musky Mike's handbook for trolling, it'll help you figure out how to get your lures where you want them |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | BALDY - 4/14/2011 2:22 PM
come on...$270 for a trolling rod?!?
Come on $30.00 plus Dollars for a hunk of wood/weagle ??? |
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| What exactly is entailed in a cutting edge trolling rod? The fiberglass catfish rods I use do the job just great. They'll pull any bait you can throw at them, and they fight fish just fine. |
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| Baldy is right, fiberglass catfish rods have the slow action and soft tip necessary for trolling.
However, I was at a show this year and saw the Custom X rods, they are awesome, both the trolling and casting models. If it weren't for the high price tag and me being only 18 I would have several of those rods. I spoke to a rep who said he had the 16" Custom X lure (The Chubby i think it was) up to 8 MPH with one of the trolling rods and it handled perfectly. Pretty awesome if you ask me! |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | BALDY - 4/14/2011 2:46 PM
What exactly is entailed in a cutting edge trolling rod? The fiberglass catfish rods I use do the job just great. They'll pull any bait you can throw at them, and they fight fish just fine.
And I suppose U have a Penn 209 reel on your CatFish rod that U use for Muskies ???? Hey it works Right ????
Yes the Custom X rods are price-e but they are made by a custom rod builder and are really a custom rod. Most custom rods are $300.00 and up !!!!
U have your mind made up all ready that they are overpriced and maybe they are, I guess U fish with what U can afford, so if U can afford them U will fish with one. |
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| PIKEMASTER - 4/14/2011 3:04 PM BALDY - 4/14/2011 2:46 PM What exactly is entailed in a cutting edge trolling rod? The fiberglass catfish rods I use do the job just great. They'll pull any bait you can throw at them, and they fight fish just fine. And I suppose U have a Penn 209 reel on your CatFish rod that U use for Muskies ???? Hey it works Right ???? Yes the Custom X rods are price-e but they are made by a custom rod builder and are really a custom rod. Most custom rods are $300.00 and up !!!! U have your mind made up all ready that they are overpriced and maybe they are, I guess U fish with what U can afford, so if U can afford them U will fish with one.
I don't mind paying for a custom rod. I have multiple.You still haven't explained what makes them cutting edge? what makes them worth 2-4 times the price of other good trolling rods?
Do you own one? Have you used one? Or did you read about them on their website?
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Location: Illinois | PIKEMASTER - 4/14/2011 2:36 PM BALDY - 4/14/2011 2:22 PM come on...$270 for a trolling rod?!? Come on $30.00 plus Dollars for a hunk of wood/weagle ??? +1 If you're on big water hunting monsters, and you hook into a fish of a lifetime trolling, will you be supremely confident in your catfish rod? And does it come with a 5 year warranty? Not saying these rods are for everyone. Added value = added cost, kinda like a weagle.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | BALDY - 4/14/2011 3:09 PM
I don't mind paying for a custom rod. I have multiple. You still haven't explained what makes them cutting edge? what makes them worth 2-4 times the price of other good trolling rods?
Do you own one? Have you used one? Or did you read about them on their website?
I'm all ears. Enlighten me
Well if U have multiple custom rods, why did U buy them over a rod U could buy at at a store for $100.00, what makes them worth 2-4 times what you can buy at any fishing store ?? I think U answer your own ??? I don't need to be sold on them so Y don't U call Chuck DiVito and tell him his rods are over priced.
Sorry Alessio B. for hi Jacking your thread, U can Pm with any ???? U have on reels and I will try to help U. |
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Location: SW MI | muskellunged - 4/14/2011 4:17 PM
PIKEMASTER - 4/14/2011 2:36 PM BALDY - 4/14/2011 2:22 PM come on...$270 for a trolling rod?!? Come on $30.00 plus Dollars for a hunk of wood/weagle ??? +1 If you're on big water hunting monsters, and you hook into a fish of a lifetime trolling, will you be supremely confident in your catfish rod? And does it come with a 5 year warranty? Not saying these rods are for everyone. Added value = added cost, kinda like a weagle.
Considering catfish are known to get much bigger than even the world record muskie why wouldn't someone be confident in a catfish rod? I know you don't troll for cats at 6mph but those rods have enough play in them to take that kind of shock. Just because it's less expensive doesn't mean it's crap. I know quite a few guys that use catfish rods trolling and catch several 50"+ a year without thinking twice about it. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | muskellunged - 4/14/2011 3:17 PM
QUOTE] +1 If you're on big water hunting monsters, and you hook into a fish of a lifetime trolling, will you be supremely confident in your catfish rod? And does it come with a 5 year warranty? Not saying these rods are for everyone. Added value = added cost, kinda like a weagle.
I troll deep water with Okuma rods/reels. I use Magdas/Convectors for reels and salmon rods (with 30lb mono, GASP!) and I feel supremely confident in my rods....if something happens that the fish gets off, it will most likely be angler error versus the gear.
Had a 40lber on last summer. $400 custom rod, $415 reel. Still got off. |
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| you have nothing to gain whit a 270$ rod period
any musky compre will do the job or a cat fish rod,put a tekota or a sealine whit a line counter,add some monel and a big deep diver.
muskellunged do you really think a catfish fight less harder than a musky??
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Slamr - 4/14/2011 3:52 PM
muskellunged - 4/14/2011 3:17 PM
QUOTE] +1 If you're on big water hunting monsters, and you hook into a fish of a lifetime trolling, will you be supremely confident in your catfish rod? And does it come with a 5 year warranty? Not saying these rods are for everyone. Added value = added cost, kinda like a weagle.
I troll deep water with Okuma rods/reels. I use Magdas/Convectors for reels and salmon rods (with 30lb mono, GASP! ) and I feel supremely confident in my rods....if something happens that the fish gets off, it will most likely be angler error versus the gear.
Had a 40lber on last summer. $400 custom rod, $415 reel. Still got off.
And for the record, I lost a 52"+ on a weagle a bunch of years ago. Added cost didnt put that one in the boat either. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | WOW Slamr Over $800.00 in ONE rod and reel for Muskies, I thought only Bass guys spent that kind of $$$ on there rods and reels.
Most of my trolling rods are Ulgy Sticks with ABU reels and I do have a few Custom rods I use also, Fish with what ever U can afford and have confidence in. |
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Location: Illinois | pepsiboy - 4/14/2011 3:53 PM muskellunged do you really think a catfish fight less harder than a musky?? funny to each their own I guess Do you really think pepsi tastes better than Coke? 
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | PIKEMASTER - 4/14/2011 4:16 PM
WOW Slamr Over $800.00 in a ONE rod and reel for Muskies, I thought only Bass guys spent that kind of $$$ on there rods and reels.
Most of my trolling rods are Ulgy Sticks with ABU reels and I do have a few Custom rods I use also, Fish with what ever U can afford and have confidence in.
trust me, that $800 rod is worth it (for me). |
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Location: Minneapolis | Rods - I use a Shimano 8' TDR while trolling for muskies or big pike. I don't think you need to get too fancy with a trolling rod.
Reel - Line counter. Mine is a Daiwa Sealine.
Baits - I like muskie crank baits for pike. Little Ernies, 9" grandmas, 8" and 10" jakes, 8" and 10" believers. Most any work well. Sometimes smaller is better, sometimes bigger is better. Ditto for straight vs. jointed.
Technique - You said you're fishing deep, glacial lakes. On those lakes, I like to look for big, deep reefs and troll around and over them. Reefs that top out at 20-30' are good. The big pike will suspend during the summer on those lakes, so don't be afraid to troll an open basin. I like basins that are big enough to be deep and hold forage like ciscoes, but small enough (maybe a mile or two across?) that it doesn't feel like I'm looking for a needle in a haystack. I've caught lots of nice pike trolling over 60-90'.
If it's cloudy, I'll troll a lot closer to points. Actually, I prefer to cast points and shallow reefs if it's cloudy. |
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Location: SW MI | muskellunged - 4/14/2011 5:22 PM
Do you really think pepsi tastes better than Coke?
Funny! |
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Location: Smith Creek | Allesio, are you allowed more than one line where you fish? If so I would recommend long (7 1/2 feet or longer) FIBERGLASS rods (I prefer St. Croix's PGM80HM or TSWC76MHF) with heavy duty reels with line counters and clickers spooled with 30-50 pound monofilament. If allowed more than one line I would attempt to cover as much of the water column as possible, in 5 foot increments down to 30 feet. cisco kids, #12 rapalas and spoons work the best for me for pike. Dipsy Diver or lead weights to get lures down. |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | FWIW, I just got a new trolling set-up and didn't really pay for a fortune for it either... (no disrespect to those with beautiful custom rods - I simply can't afford that luxury at the moment) But I did score a new 1-piece, 8'0" Trolling Rod (graphite/glass) from Black River Rods. They're about $100.00 and sounds like they'll troll any bait you're willing to tie on.
Plus, got a gently used Daiwa Accudepth Plus 47LC on eBay for a whopping $38... I think regularly, they're about $70 or so.
Oh, hey! Here's more great news - I also saved 15% on my car insurance by switching to Geico! |
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| If people want to spend money on custom rods, whose to judge. There is something to be said about having a rod made EXACTLY how you want it down to the 1/2 inch in length as well as the color thread used. I personally use custom rods because I can have one made for a single purpose. I'm a smaller guy and by ordering a custom rod I can have the handle length made exactly to my liking. To some people, they would be just as happy using a 20 $ rod from a garage sale. Everyone has stuff they like to spend money one. My grandpa thinks Im crazy for spending that kind of money on musky fishing. To him, all you know is an old mitchell spinning reel and a can of worms. Whatever tips your trigger. Boy I'll be glad when the season opens and everyone gets the crabs out of their pants |
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Location: Lake of The Woods | Why buy a Porsche when a Cavalier does the same job?
The custom X are built to last, made with a builit proof reel seat, guides that will not have the inserts pop out, i cant remember how much modulas they are built with but its high, made with kevalar etc. These rods will troll baits at high speeds that have lips the size of pie plates. I believe i was one of the first few guy's to use them deep sea fishing and can tell you i would not trust any other musky rod that i so far have used under those speeds and that kind of abuse of BIG fish!
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| Casting is one thing. I like customs there because I can tailor them to my preferences in order to make it easier on my body casting all day.
Trolling, I just don't see it. Tie on the bait and put it in the rod holder.
I'll give you that my catfish rod might have trouble pulling a 16" bait at 8mph, but how often is somebody really fishing like that? I'll put my $70 catfish rod head to head with that $270 custom and for 90 plus percent of the situations you'll be in it will be just as good. We aren't dealing with huge saltwater fish here.
Like was said buy what you want, but I personally don't see the value in a high priced rod like that for muskie trolling applications. Sorry |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | Ryan Marlowe - 4/15/2011 2:35 AM Why buy a Porsche when a Cavalier does the same job? We could probably make this same statement with just about any inanimate object in our lives. Depends on how deep your pockets are and what you value as "important". Refrigerators, coffee makers, denim jeans, bottled water, Blu-Ray players, etc, etc. I don't need a pair of $400.00 True Religion denim jeans from the boutique in the mall. Does that mean they do a "better" job than a $30.00 pair of Carhartt's from Fleet Farm? I also don't need to spend $9,000.00 on a nice European refrigerator from Sub-Zero when my $1,000.00 fridge from LG works just fine. I'm sure both are quite capable of keeping my food at an optimum temperature, right? Or am I way off-base here? What about bottled water? Do I need pay $3.00 for 12oz. of crystal clear Fiji brand bottled water? I mean, I can get bottled away from Evian on sale for $1.50 for 24oz. Twice as less for twice as much. Both would seem to do an adequate job of quenching my thirst, don't you think? In other words, I can't justify $450.00 for a trolling rod. But I can justify $100.00. I'm guessing under real-world situations and scenarios my rod from Black River Rods will suffice just fine. And given the reviews and photographs I've read and seen, doesn't look like I'm going to have any issues landing any fish with it either. There's no right or wrong answer. Everyone is right. |
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| The Custom X trolling rod is the best and strongest trolling rod I have seen.
Musky Innovations Trolling/Live bait rod is a good one also.
I have used Ugly Sticks also and had good luck.
Also Make sure you use Good rod holders- Like Down East Salty S-10's . Do not use any plastic rod holders for musky or sooner or later you will be sorry.....
PSYS- That Diawa you bought on line used to be mine. It was a back up reel that was hardly used. Had too many reels needed to get rid of some. A friend sold it for me. The line that was on it was #40 Big Game it is 4 or 5 years old I would change it out.
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Location: Lake of The Woods | BALDY - 4/15/2011 8:20 AM
Trolling, I just don't see it. Tie on the bait and put it in the rod holder.
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Location: APPLETON, WI | Jeff Hanson - 4/15/2011 2:53 PM PSYS- That Diawa you bought on line used to be mine. It was a back up reel that was hardly used. Had too many reels needed to get rid of some. A friend sold it for me. The line that was on it was #40 Big Game it is 4 or 5 years old I would change it out. Good Luck, Jeff Hanson madisonmuskyguide.com No, no... I got my Daiwa on eBay. There wasn't any line on it and it was still in the box. It honestly doesn't even look used to me. I just got it spooled up tonight with 40-lb Trilene Big Game. I'm pumped to try it out! Had I know you had a Daiwa for sale... I probably would've grabbed it from you. |
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| my Black River rods have trolled every bait I've pulled up to 6mph. they have great backbone plus a forgiving tip for when youu're fighting that fish of a lifetime. I think they're around $80 a piece. for a 6-rod spread that's less than $500 total rather than $1620 for custom built rod. I can afford it, and in something like a reel or a boat it's worth paying more. Rods are a different animal and you can get great performance out of value-priced options. |
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When you're going to decide how much to spend on a rod, and what rod to get, you just need to think of the purpose for the rod.
When you are casting, lighter weight and the "right" action are priceless.
When you are trolling, the rod just needs to give your lure the right action and not tear the hooks out when the fish hits.
There are many rods that fit that bill which are very affordable.
Shimano makes some great trolling rods that are glass/graphite composites in many lengths and actions for under $100.
30lb mono and a 9' rod = fish in the net. $200 for a rod, diawa line counter and 300 yard spool of mono.
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| Hey guys Chuck DiVito here,
Just want to say thank you for everyone asking questions and stopping by our booth at all the Musky Shows. I also appreciate all the posts on this thread. My thoughts are this. In todays market no matter what you are buying you have alot of choices. There also is alot of uncertainty out there and if you are like me have been struggling to make ends meet. We try to put out the best possible products under the Big Game Tackle, Custom Lures, Custom X Rods, and Radtke Minnow lines. ALL of our products are made right here in the USA. Our products are not the most expensive nor are they the cheapest. But, I can assure all of you they are made to last and our customer service is right up there with anyone. My advice is to buy the best that you can afford. There is nothing wrong with buying a catfish rod if that is what your budget allows. I appreciate all of the posts and also all of the support from those of you using our products. For any of you that would like to learn more about the components in our rods or lures and learn why they are different you can reach me at 630-991-7012 any time and I will be happy to help you. I again thank all of you for your continued support and without you guys Tony and I could not be doing what we do. Good luck this year and stick a monster.
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| We have been using the Fenwick Elite Tech - 8'6" Muskie Glass Trolling rods, and have been pleased with them. Check them out here:
http://fenwickfishing.com/prod.php?k=378069&sk=309774&p=PURETM86H-2...
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We have them paired up with Abu Garcia 7000i Syncro trolling reels with built in line counters. We really like their drag system. I see that they are not offering these reels with the line counter any longer...too bad  Check them out here:
http://abugarcia.com/products/reels/round-reels/ambassadeur-convent...
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| sound like a good rod,is that a 2 piece rod? |
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| The Custom X is a one piece rod. |
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| was not talking to ya.
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| and guys what about lures? it's possible to hava attacks trolling pounders?? |
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deep lake trolling