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Location: chicago | I been fishing for muskies for 7 years now. However I never kept a log or anything like that. I do catch fish however I am always second guessing my tactics. I was wondering if anydody has a generic flow chart such as, weather, clear or stained, lake or river , cast or troll, depth to start fishing at, lure type, color or screw it just run and gun or fish for bass. All the help would be greatly appriciated. Also is there a cheaper rod compared to the musky mojo, 8.6 , med action for big buck tails. I would also like to buy a cheaper winch reel for this set up. Thanks  |
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Location: Cedarburg, Wisconsin | Flow chart? Hmmmm... don't think I've ever seen one. I've seen musky wheels where you line up a few known factors and it gives you a suggested presentation, but I've never seen a flow chart.
The problem with any artificial aid is that following a logical sequence of presentations designed to eliminate unsuccessful patterns to arrive at the correct pattern is this; there usually isn't enough time in the day to fish that way using a generically scripted plan. Fishing success comes from doing things right and then filing those conditions away in your memory. The more time you spend on the water the more successes and more memories you file away. After a bunch of years you get to where you recognize conditions and a presentation just kind of pops out of your head with no concious thought about it.
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Location: In a shack in the woods | Logic flew out the window the day you got hooked on musky. Musky don't know how to read to follow the chart. If you're catching fish just keep doing what you're doing. |
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Location: chicago | Does anyone know where i can get a musky wheel from. Search the forum and the internet and couldn't find one? |
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Location: Perryville, MO | One of Saric and Heiting's chapters describe a natural progression of baits and techiniques according to conditions ("Complete Guide to Musky Hunting"). However, experience with the waters you fish and "filing" things away in your mind is what its all about.
Muskies are just complicated (which is why I think most of us are haunted with them), so it takes tons of experiences. I'm no where close to getting it. I can find 'gills no matter what the conditions (almost like Captain Phil smelling crap farts), but muskies continue to allude me time and again. You catch a fish on the "wrong" bait in the "wrong" place at the "wrong" time too often to put the real picture together based on a few experiences. You need alot of experiences. A flow chart or "wheel" (whatever that is) will never be able to handle the variety of situations and conditions. |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | Exactly.
I would think the amount of variables would be overwhelming to put into even the most basic flow chart. Too many things to be taken into consideration for the logic to even begin to work. And as mentioned, just when you think you've got something figured out.... the musky will toss a monkey wrench in the whole thing and you'll be right back to square one. |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | I saw your other thread where you said you're putting together a package for some kids and that's cool. For those purposes, I could see it. But for your own use, unless you're brand spaking new to muskie fishing, there's too many variables and as you gain experience you'll start to know what works for "you" and what you like under certain conditions, and often it conflicts or at least doesn't agree with what you "should" be casting.
As far as a wheel or flow chart, can't help you. Sorry. |
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| There a whole bunch of types of flow charts out there and almost none of them are a fit to your needs. It's a stats prob, you have way too many variables at play as noted above.
Logs are the answer to your Excellent question. Use Excel to track data over time and the run multivariate regression models to identify outliers. The outliers of the norms are nods toward the best practice with that particular variable under normal conditions.
If you are a memeber of MInc you get mags that provide data for your spreadsheets. If you can extract the data most States have on public DNR websites and align that data with some of the same data tracked by MInc, well, what might surface as outliers from the norm are indicators of what does or doesn't work to catch a muskie.
It's just stats, man. |
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| If you must have a flow chart then try a scatter diagram. But, due to the multiviaiate issue, it won't help you make informed decisions.
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Flow chart!