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Location: SUN PRAIRIE WI | Can you use mono on A baitcaster it seems like all the folks use braid on A baitcaster is there any other reason than the fact that you can get more line on your reel using braid, I have never used A baitcaster before but I am going to buy A abu garcia 6500 c3 |
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| Personally I feel like I get more seasons out of braid- I respool all my mono reels every season. Other than that, mono casts like a dream and can be a lot cheaper. Some folks may argue that you will not get as positive of a hookset with mono vs braid because of mono's tendency to stretch. Nice choice of reel by the way, that should work just fine and it will hold plenty of 20lb mono. |
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Location: Denmark | Mono is the best choice for learning how to use one, as it has lesser tendency to backlash. This is due to the minor stretch of the line when you cast, that reduces
the acceleration speed of the spool in the beginning of your cast.
Although a modern bait caster is equipped with more brake pads to prevent this, you will still learn to use a baitcaster faster, and with more confidence, if you start with mono. Something like 0,45-0,50 would be fine. later you just switch to braid, that (fishing wise) have the edge.
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Location: Racine, Wi | I think that braid holds up better then mono as well. You won't have to worry constently about getting nicks in your line, the line weakening a lot, etc. I would go with the braid, even if it's your first baitcaster. Like mentioned above, if you don't fish much, you can get a few seasons out of your line, then you can flip it around on the spool and get a few more seasons out of it. Not to mention, you'll get more solid hooksets when using braid due to the no stretch qualities.
If you're worried about learning to cast it, talke to someone that is experienced with casting bait casters and they can show you the ropes. Lots of good guys on this site from the Madison areas that would probably be willing to give you some pointers. Just tighten down the brakes a bit to start with so the bait you have on the rod barely falls, and start there. Then as you get more comfortable, you can loosen the casting breaks up to get more distance on your casts.
I've never had anyone in the boat that hasn't picked it up quickly, even kids, so you shouldn't have any worries. |
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| i have a friend who is resistant to braid. Always uses mono on his musky baitcasters. He is pulling so many bird's nests out of it during the day its funny. |
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| jackson - 4/1/2011 8:53 AM
i have a friend who is resistant to braid. Always uses mono on his musky baitcasters. He is pulling so many bird's nests out of it during the day its funny.
probably a lot of those bird's nests could be avoided by learning to adjust the reel for the different size and weights of the lures he is throwing. Even if he switches to braided line, he probably will have some bird's nests. Someone needs to help him in adjusting his reel to the lures he is throwing. His reel is probably set too loose for the lure he is throwing or he is trying too hard to throw the lure.
Of course, the size of the line to the size of the lure may make a difference in the number of bird's nests. Just a thought.
Perhaps loan him your rod and reel so he can experience the difference in casting. That should help convince him he needs to make some adjustments whether it is to his reel or line.
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Location: Yahara River Chain | I hope you guys realize that braid hasn't been around that long. When I first started using A baitcaster there was mono and dacron. Fishing for things other than muskies we always used mono an A baitcaster. We even used them for light bucktails and cranks.
So yes, mono will still works on A baitcaster. |
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Location: Smith Creek | Mono works really well when trolling, especially if you don't need to get down real deep. |
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| I also like using it when live bait fishing. It may be my imagination, but I feel like I lose fewer minnows during long casts. A spool of trilene will cost about six or seven bucks. If you don't like it, respool with braid. |
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| Muskie Bob - 4/1/2011 9:17 AM
jackson - 4/1/2011 8:53 AM
i have a friend who is resistant to braid. Always uses mono on his musky baitcasters. He is pulling so many bird's nests out of it during the day its funny.
probably a lot of those bird's nests could be avoided by learning to adjust the reel for the different size and weights of the lures he is throwing. Even if he switches to braided line, he probably will have some bird's nests. Someone needs to help him in adjusting his reel to the lures he is throwing. His reel is probably set too loose for the lure he is throwing or he is trying too hard to throw the lure.
Of course, the size of the line to the size of the lure may make a difference in the number of bird's nests. Just a thought.
Perhaps loan him your rod and reel so he can experience the difference in casting. That should help convince him he needs to make some adjustments whether it is to his reel or line.
he does adjust.. Its more likely that the mono is so curly from not being changed in 3+ years that causes his problems. Mono at 30# has a memory and it does not cast smooth on a baitcaster. |
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Location: Maryland | Mono at 30# has a memory and it does not cast smooth on a baitcaster.
Y if he using 30# mono? The thicker the mono the more it kinks up and He loses alot of action and castability with heavier mono like that. U only really need 17 or 20# for muskies. Just use a longer leader and he should be good. |
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| If he hasn't changed mono line in 3 years, he probably has cheap inexpensive mono line too. The least he could do is stretch out his line behind the boat at slow speed. Who knows, his line may have never been put on properly with a little pressure.
I like 80lb braided line. It seems when I get a back lash (normally from casting into the wind), usually it will come out fairly easy. Smaller braided line seems a little harder to get the back lash free. Just my experience.
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Location: Warroad, Mn | Mono for fishing muskies isn't a good idea. Too much stretch for a good hook set. Go with at least 80lb test super braid. Doug Johnson |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | What about trolling...? I've heard that a dedicated trolling set-up should have mono spooled up on the reel.
Isn't this accurate? Or is that incorrect? |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | PSYS - 4/1/2011 6:13 PM
What about trolling...? I've heard that a dedicated trolling set-up should have mono spooled up on the reel.
Isn't this accurate? Or is that incorrect?
That depends on the set up. You can get away with braid - if your rod has plenty of give (flex). It might not be a good set up to have mono AND a flexible rod. Such a set up would give too much to get a good hook set.
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Location: APPLETON, WI | muskie! nut - 4/1/2011 6:28 PM That depends on the set up. You can get away with braid - if your rod has plenty of give (flex). It might not be a good set up to have mono AND a flexible rod. Such a set up would give too much to get a good hook set. Got'cha... I just ordered up one of the 8'0" Black River Rods / "Live 'n Troll" rods... once I get it, I'll see what it's like and feel it out. I think I can probably get away with having mono spooled up on the reel. |
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Location: Oswego, IL | Im surpised nobody has mentioned negative effects of using mono. I always thought its much safer for a fish if it wraps the line using braid vs mono. Mono imo seems to have the ability to cut into a fish because of the strech in the line( therefore thinning the line) vs braid. Accidents to happen id rather know before I even hook up I am doing the best I can to ensure a safe release. I could be wrong but again just my opinion. |
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| dougj - 4/1/2011 7:05 PM
Mono for fishing muskies isn't a good idea. Too much stretch for a good hook set. Go with at least 80lb test super braid. Doug Johnson
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Location: APPLETON, WI | OK.... so even if trolling, I should be spooling up with braid, regardless? I'm honestly asking because I've not done a whole lot of trolling for musky. I've always done a lot of casting but I purchased a dedicated trolling set-up and want to be sure I'm using the correct line.
I thought if you're trolling big baits and using a fairly stiff rod to troll these larger lures... that braid has the capability of tearing the mouth of the fish? Or should I be more concerned about the hookset and not worry about that? |
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| what kind of line do you suppose they were using in 1955 during the leech lake muskie rampage? |
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| sKunKt - 4/1/2011 11:17 PM what kind of line do you suppose they were using in 1955 during the leech lake muskie rampage? "cat gut"  |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | sKunKt - 4/1/2011 10:17 PM what kind of line do you suppose they were using in 1955 during the leech lake muskie rampage? I LOL'ed at your signature... that's fantastic. |
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| I had 20 lb. extra tough mono on all of my reels until last year. But when I had a valuable lure break off and go sailing down a river when practice casting from shore, I broke down and ordered 60 lb. Power Pro. One thing I can tell you is that if you use mono, you MUST change it at least every spring. You will have snap-offs if you don't. Also always check the last two feet of line for cuts and abrasions. These lead to lost lures and, worse, lost fish. |
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| I don't see why people still use mono for musky fishing. I know that they used it "back in the day" but thats only because they didn't have a choice. the super braids were designed for this application. Its safer for the fish and easier to use IMO. plus mono breaks down over time where braid lines don't. it might cost twice as much but it last twice as long. all depends on how much you fish. Personal i replace my line on my main rods every year and every other on my trolling rods. also flip my line mid season. line and leaders are the most important part of it all. Always laugh when i see guys buy the most expensive rod and reel and then buy the cheapest line,leaders,hooks ext...
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Location: Racine, Wi | Scott, you can definitely use mono for trolling. I use both mono and braid for trolling, and have never had an issue with either. I like to use mono when trolling smaller baits that have lighter hooks, or if I'm looking to run my baits shallower then the depths I get with braid.
For the smaller baits, I run 20# P line and for bigger baits when trying to keep them shallow, I run 50# Berkly Big game. For most applications though, I'm using a combination of rods with braid and rods with mono. So for trolling, don't be afraid to run both mono and braid.
Be cautious though or you'll end up with 12 different trolling set ups for different situations. Which isn't a bad thing unless your wife sees them all, along with your casting rods, and asks why you need so many. |
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| From my experiences, I would say braid has fewer backlashes than mono. It is also significantly easier to get them out of braid. I haven't used mono on a baitcaster in awhile. It might be easier since I've gotten better at casting. |
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MONO ON A BAITCASTER