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Location: Not far enough north! | Just wondering what could be the consequences of getting a boat with the wrong placard on it? Placard says console but is a tiller boat and has too much engine on it if it were correctly labeled. I'm not worried about handling or being able to control a bigger outboard. What about liability, insurance, and resale for the future. I don't know if it was factory installed or dealer installed...
Should I worry about it?
Thanks
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| Some states require the appropriate card some do not.
In the cases of it not being required, the only issue is matching the hull ID number on your registration)
HP ratings are NOT regulated on recreational boats, unless they are regulated locally. It's a misconception that they are regulated, and that you are required to not exceed the HP rating on the boats tag.
As for insurance that is up to the insurance company.
Is the hull ID number on the tag on the boat? If so, I would think you should have no problems whatsoever. | |
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| I noticed you called it a Coast Guard placards.
I'll re-iterate that the coast guard does not regulate hp on, or certify recreational boats.
The coast guard tags are tags manufacturers use, usually following coast guard guidelines, or recommendations during the build process.
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| Just as an example, in MN the Coast Guard/Manufacturer placard recommendations have the force of law when it comes to "safe hp capacity" and "safe carrying capacity." Take a look at Minnesota Rules, part 6110.1400, and Minnesota Statutes section 86B.311, subdiv. 1.
I for one would be leery of a boat with the wrong placard on it, because if you ever got into a situation where that was an issue (because of an accident, injury, citation etc.) you could end up getting hit even harder.
Edited by WallyGator12000 3/22/2011 8:16 PM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'I'll re-iterate that the coast guard does not regulate hp on, or certify recreational boats.'
Actually, the USCG sets HP, flotation, load, and other requirements for all recreational boats under 20' in length. And, the Coast Guard regularly drops in on boat builders to make sure they are complying with USCG regulations per federal laws under Title 33. Before a boat is offered to the public, USCG testing is required by a Certified Specialist or licensed facility. If indeed a builder is found to be out of compliance, the builder can be fined and a recall may be issued on the products found to be out of compliance.
Many States enforce USCG regulations through DNR law enforcement, and will ticket you if you are over horsepowered. Others do not. | |
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| sworrall - 3/22/2011 8:20 PM
'I'll re-iterate that the coast guard does not regulate hp on, or certify recreational boats.'
Actually, the USCG sets HP, flotation, load, and other requirements for all recreational boats under 20' in length. And, the Coast Guard regularly drops in on boat builders to make sure they are complying with USCG regulations per federal laws under Title 33. Before a boat is offered to the public, USCG testing is required by a Certified Specialist or licensed facility. If indeed a builder is found to be out of compliance, the builder can be fined and a recall may be issued on the products found to be out of compliance.
Many States enforce USCG regulations through DNR law enforcement, and will ticket you if you are over horsepowered.
I'm going to have to double check this and post again tomorrow. My understanding is that for recreational boats they are merely guidelines. Manufacturers do not have to have their boats USCG approved or inspected yet chose to do so, as that is the industry standard (uscg standards for floatation, HP etc) Also as I understood it, and believe it to be there are NO federal restrictions on overpowering, and that if it is against the law, it will be in state/local governments.
Again that is the way I understood it. Manufacturers follow USCG guidelines, but the USCG doesn't actually certify or inspect recreational boats. (NMMA does however) | |
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Location: Not far enough north! | The boat is not over powered according to the certification that is on it. We all know console models are usually rated twice as high as the tiller version for the same exact boat. It just seems the "console placard" was put on there so a bigger tiller motor could be put on the boat. I will do some checking tonight too to see what local regulations say...
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | From the USCG website, Boat Builder's Handbook.
'The posted information is for manufacturers of recreational boats who must comply with the applicable regulations.'
The USCG offers intensive training for Compliance Specialists to be certified to ensure that the boat builder they work with are building the boats with certified fuel systems, flotation, and all other USCG requirements. I've worked with a USCG certified test center on the East Coast.
The USCG can and does recall boats/motors that do not comply. Here's a single page from the USCG Recall List.
Last Date
080044T BOMBARDIER RECREATIONAL PROD SEA-DOO TOWER WELD CRACKS 4/29/2010
080045S BRP US, Inc. EVINRUDE E-TEC START IN GEAR 11/18/2011
100018T BRP US, INC ETEC 40-90 FUEL SYSTEM 8/4/2010
971568T BOMBARDIER LTD SPEEDSTER STEERING NOZZLE SCREWS
800045S COLE BOATS MAX WEIGHT 7/14/1980
940220S COLE BOATS 22.4 SKIER I/O BOWRIDER FUEL HOSE NOT USCG 1/12/1995
971535S STINGER BOATS OF CHARLST.INC. 160 STINGER LEVEL FLOTATION 3/6/2000
03V035S CUSTOM FIBERGLASS MOLDING INC HUNTER BASIC FLOTATION 10/13/2004
800089S COLUMBIA FIBERGLASS 12FT LAPSTRAKE LEVEL FLOTATION 11/17/1980
04R0144S CUSTOM FIBERGLASS MOLDING 12' SQUARE STERN LABEL; CAPACITY 9/14/2005
920426S GENERAL MARINE INDUSTRIES 142 PREDATOR LEVEL FLOTATION 10/25/1993
820029T CHECKMATE BOATS INC BUCKET SEAT ON SOME 79&80 4/6/1983
940203T CHECKMATE BOATS ALL WITH MERC SPORT 90 NON IGN PROTECTED DEVICE 3/10/1995
05R0874S CHECKMATE BOATS INC ZT 260 ELECTRICAL SYSTEM 6/12/2006
941331S CHALLENGER BOATS 1740 BASS SAFE LOAD: PERS WT 3/10/1998
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USCG Handbook for Boat Builders:
http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/part1...
Obviously, the USCG regulates the boat builders in the US.
I have been in the factory when the USCG folks visited. | |
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Coast Guard Placards?