$39 worth of non productive topraiders

Posted 9/8/2002 8:16 PM (#4003)
Subject: $39 worth of non productive topraiders


What is the deal with these baits? I know that some fisherman have several and only 1 produces well. I am 0 for 2 so far. How many do you have to purchase to get one that catches fish? Do all the recently built ones have that loud metalic sound to them or is that also just my bad luck?

Posted 9/8/2002 8:21 PM (#43888)
Subject: $39 worth of non productive topraiders


First,

What kind of pop do you get out of them?

The funny thing about topwaters....you can have 5 of the same, even the same color...but one will sing the right song. That goes for tally wackers, top kicks, hawg wobblers and even topraiders.

Leave it out in the rain...let it get a bit rusty on the shaft and then you will get a whole differnt song. Some of my best Topper stoppers are the ones that got squeeky with age.

Posted 9/8/2002 9:25 PM (#43889)
Subject: $39 worth of non productive topraiders


A fair pop. But I know it is not the same with all the top raiders, as have fish bud that has one and has caught several fish, and his sounds different than both of mine. And my second one already has a metallic squeal or chirp to it. As for tallywhackers, I haven't had a dud yet on those, after 8 so far, all have caught fish and got slowly torn apart. Sometimes in need of tuning and had one that never quite quit rolling but they all caught fish in multiples.

I am sure if I threw this bait long enough a hot fish would come eat it at some time. But the good ones bring fish that aren't suicidal. Never have had any surface baits ignored and rejected like the two topraiders I have wasted money on. [:knockout:]

Posted 9/8/2002 10:05 PM (#43890)
Subject: $39 worth of non productive topraiders


I hear you firstsixfeet ... I always used to fish with tallywackers and teaser tails with good success and then fell into all the topraider hype ... 2 topraiders later, I have yet to boat a muskie on one ... I even have thrown friends topraiders that have caught fish before ...

So what did I do the other day? ... I bought a $25 super topraider ... I don't know why I just don't stick with my ol' reliables ...

Mike

Posted 9/9/2002 7:39 AM (#43891)
Subject: $39 worth of non productive topraiders


LOTS of variables at work, guys. I have been in two boats this year where the Topraider was the action bait of the day, out of the box.

Tuning the bait can help, try to get it to run well slow, then it will pop better at normal speeds. This has worked for me, anyhow!

[8)]

Posted 9/9/2002 8:45 AM (#43892)
Subject: $39 worth of non productive topraiders


I also have a topraider with the metalic "whine". Do they all do this? I am going to leave mine outside for a few days to let it rust up a little as suggested to see if that helps. Mine will pop at very slow speeds and that is how I have tried fishing it lately, going faster didn't seem to work either. I have fished it a fair amount this year with only 1 northern hitting it. For those of you who have had success with these, do you reel them as fast as say a bucktail or do you real these in slow like a hawgwobbler?

Thanks for the help.

Posted 9/9/2002 9:12 AM (#43893)
Subject: $39 worth of non productive topraiders


Install a "rattle muffler"...tones down that annoying loud metallic sound allowing both the fish + you to hear the cheerful gurgle of the baits pop pop fizz fizz. I'm sold out now but hope to have some in soon...[:0]

Posted 9/9/2002 9:46 AM (#43894)
Subject: $39 worth of non productive topraiders


Just bought my first one 3 weeks ago. A steady retreive just didn't seem right, so I played a little and started doing half a dozen short jerks just so it pops once, pause, speed retreive for about 10 feet pause and start over. 3 northerns and a 39" muskie.[:bigsmile:]

Posted 9/9/2002 12:57 PM (#43895)
Subject: $39 worth of non productive topraiders


A "rattle muffler"...eh, Sponge?

I can see where that would be a cheaper solution than fabricating a 40,000 gal test tank and filling it with WD-40. Retrieving a TR 2,000 times through 40,000 gallons of WD-40 is, however, IS guaranteed to squelch that annoying metallic "whine" and maintain the inner most working parts to be totally "rust-free" for a minimum of the next three casts! Have also eliminated these two very irritating traits by first encasing the lure within a solid acrylic block. An added bonus of the "block" is that it will also maintain that original luster finish.

But then with the "muffler" you do have the advantage of keeping the TR toasty warm on those very chilly mornings exhibiting a dusting of light snow. Something to definitely be considered for those last few trips on the water just before ice-up. Could this in fact be the reason why you say that the TR is such a HOT bait?

Posted 9/9/2002 1:14 PM (#43896)
Subject: $39 worth of non productive topraiders


I also "had" a TR that chirped instead of plopped, don't give up on it because it put fish in the boat when others wouldn't. My favorite topwater a, Poe's Awaker, really chirps but I have caught more fish on that bait than any other in my box.

Just because it doesn't have the classic plop sound, don't think it won't work. When there just following a good deep plop they may just eat the one's that whine.

Posted 9/9/2002 1:24 PM (#43897)
Subject: $39 worth of non productive topraiders


Well said Mike! The package also comes w/ a prototype of the "Eatin' Engine", a top water that leaves a scented vapor trail + hums "I think I can" as she chugs through the water...[:knockout:]

Posted 9/9/2002 3:27 PM (#43898)
Subject: $39 worth of non productive topraiders


I have one top raider that used to produce. After the last fish caught on it, the front of the bait rolls. Any way to fix this? It could possibly be the fact that I"ve been using a differant leader.

Posted 9/10/2002 8:44 AM (#43899)
Subject: $39 worth of non productive topraiders


Not to brag, but I've done about as much Topraider tinkering as anyone. I have 2 of them that have 56 fish on between them, and another 8 or nine that I just don't use because of the confidence I have in the other two guys. On thing I've noticed is many of them just don't seem to have enough weight in the front end to get the deep plop out of the tail(which is what you want, or I want anyways). A bigger hook on the front and maybe a bit of lead solder around it will increase that plop every time. Also the rolling is sometimes caused by keel weight coming loose, and added weight in the front will help. One of my really good ones used to roll(and look at it, it will always roll to one side or the other) to the left. I tuned the lure attatchment like I would a crank bait that tracks crooked, and it really helped. Also, take ones that don't plop good and bend the tail section up as hard as you can. I don't know why, but this has worked too.

Posted 9/10/2002 8:56 AM (#43900)
Subject: $39 worth of non productive topraiders


Holy Hogwash, Sponge - first the "muffler" and now the "eatin' engine!" Definitely gonna havta add that one to me arsenal. Tell me more about that scented vapor trail....Exactly what "flavors" are currently available?....I would suppose that you will be adding other "improved" scents in the months to come....Surely the potential is unlimited....Hey, What about including "I knew I could" to the "I think I can" tune at some future time also?!!! Maybe even "Justa Swimming" which could be hummed to the identical tune of that well-known country music classic, "Justa Swanging."