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Location: PA | I have some of the Rapala Glidin raps in size 12 & 15.(1 1/3oz & 2.5oz) Also have some of the subwalk 15's (2oz). What pound test fluro leader would you use for these 3 lures? Would 60lb be OK or should I use 80lb?
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Location: Denmark | I reckons that 60lb would be fine for 98% of your fish. But, I can be cut if you are unlucky. But I still prefer a light leader for my own Glidin Raps, awesome lure for light tackle Esox's |
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Location: Racine, Wi | You might want to go to a lighter straight wire leader rather then light floro as with a smaller bait like that, you'll eventually get bit off. I've had 80# floro cut in the past and have not used that since. A lighter wire in say 100-140# test. Light enough that it won't impact the action, but won't kink up on you too quick. |
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Location: midwest | I have fished the subwalk with straight 105lb single strand. Attach it to the nose of the bait and don't use a swivel, so the leader is wire only with no snap or swivel and it works well. |
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| The smaller version is the problem. The big one can be used on almost every leader. If you are set on fluorocarbon, I think you could get away with a 12"x80lb Stealth Leader for the smaller version and 14"x100lb for the larger version. There is a chance you will get bit off with the 80lb, but I think you would be good majority of the time. I would get the 14"x100lb and try it out and see how they work. I will be trying the 12"x80lb this year and I'll post about it as soon as the ice is off. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | catchandrelease - 2/24/2011 10:10 AM
There is a chance you will get bit off with the 80lb
catchandrelease - 2/24/2011 10:10 AM
I will be trying the 12"x80lb this year and I'll post about it as soon as the ice is off.
Wow. Sounds like a great plan. |
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| Id recommend our Gregg Thomas Hybrid Leader from Stealth Tackle. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Slime King - 2/24/2011 8:51 AM
I have fished the subwalk with straight 105lb single strand. Attach it to the nose of the bait and don't use a swivel, so the leader is wire only with no snap or swivel and it works well.
This is what U want, it works and U will NOT get bit off, Y take a chance with 80lb or 100lb FLURO ????????????? |
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| JimtenHaaf - 2/24/2011 10:22 AM
catchandrelease - 2/24/2011 10:10 AM
There is a chance you will get bit off with the 80lb
catchandrelease - 2/24/2011 10:10 AM
I will be trying the 12"x80lb this year and I'll post about it as soon as the ice is off.
Wow. Sounds like a great plan.
First of all, I never said I was smart. Second, I live in PA and the fish, which are few and far between, are generally under 40". I admit using something that has the potential to get bit off isn't the best idea, but I'm gonna play the odds. I have used 80lb Spro leaders for the last 3 or 4 seasons and have not have any problem with the fluocarbon itself, only the components. When I go to real musky waters the 80 lb leaders stay at home with the smaller Glidin' Raps. What I'm focusing on is getting a 4 inch, 1 1/3 ounce lure to run properly on a fluocarbon leader, so something has to give. It would have been smarter to purchase 100lb leaders to see if they would work, but, like I said, I'm not that smart. |
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| PIKEMASTER - 2/24/2011 10:33 AM
Slime King - 2/24/2011 8:51 AM
I have fished the subwalk with straight 105lb single strand. Attach it to the nose of the bait and don't use a swivel, so the leader is wire only with no snap or swivel and it works well.
This is what U want, it works and U will get bit off, Y take a chance with 80lb or 100lb FLURO ?????????????
Clear water, pressured fish. And the fish are small (average under 40"). Does that justify my stupidity any better? |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | When it comes to Pike or Muskies, I don't think it will matter using Metal leaders, I have never seen a Pike / Muskie that was line/leader shy ??? Plus I think that bait works, has more action with a wire leader over a F/C leader. Maybe next year if U have 2-3 guys in your boat, Have one guy try a Metal leader and one try a F/C leader at least 100lb and see for sure if they are leader shy. Call STEALTH LEADERS he sells/makes the best F/C Leders that U can buy, and he will make them any way/lb line U want. |
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| Honestly, if there are muskies there you never know what your going to run into. I used to have the same mentality when I fished a local river. I thought to myself that the fish are smaller and I can get away with 'light' gear. I learned the hard way that a muskie is a muskie and if I'm going to fish for them then I need the proper gear. 65-80lb line and a wire or heavy fluoro leader. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | I use 130# Stealth for most lures. Works well and I do not see any decrease in action on my small baits. At least they still catch fish 
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| Do muskies' teeth get sharper as the fish get's bigger? I know that a bigger fish has more mass and can therefore theoretically apply more cutting force with its teeth, but the probability difference of getting bit off by a bigger versus smaller fish has to be quite minimal. The only real difference is the probability of whether or not the smaller fish can get the entire bait into its mouth and make contact with the leader. All other instances are about the same. If you using smaller lures, then you're increasing the odds that a smaller fish will also devour the bait, and if that's the case then a bigger fish is then almost guaranteed to do so. I know if you think that the heavier leaders affect your action resulting in less fish in the net, it becomes a numbers game, but in my book the fish that swim away with my lure stuck in their mouths somehow seem to outweigh the extra 38"er or two I might catch cause the action was "just" right.
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Location: beloit | check out the springtime leader and the Gregg thomas hybrid leader
http://www.stealthtackle.net/fishing_leaders.shtml |
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what leader for small lures