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| How long do you think that its safe to have a muskie out of the water? I know this depends on the water temps. I'm just asking about an overall average time! |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | About as long as you can hold your breath is max! Fish have the same problem in air environment that we have in water environment - their respiratory system doesn't work to well in the wrong medium. They are opening & closing their gills because they are suffocating! Ask yourself if it's really important to have another muskie photo!
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Location: oswego, il | The fish should come out of the water for a ready to go camera and a quick measurement if necessary. 30 seconds should suffice. |
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Location: Perryville, MO | I've noticed a postive development in my angling due to being caught by the muskie bug. Growing up as a catch and release bass guy the transition to muskies and understanding the need to release fish for another guy to enjoy the experience of catching them just made perfect sense of course. But I think back, and realize I haven't been as particular about caring for the bass I've caught like I do the muskies. I know that there's quite a difference in what it takes to grow a really nice muskie vs. a bass, but I've become a lot more particular in how I treat every fish that I'm lucky enough to encounter. Not being a tournament guy (and so not having the need to get a perfect measurement) I'm able to keep the muskies I catch in the water a whole lot of the time. I can get a quick measurement and photo (that is, even if I take the time to do that) in less than 15 seconds without being rushed. It's not so much an issue of speeding through the experience as it is just being prepared and as most guys do using your net as a "in the lake live well."
But to answer the question, if you get it done in less than 30 seconds I don't think it's hurting the fish too much. Consider how long the DNR have fish out of the water for study. It seems that process often lasts longer than 30 seconds and alot of those fish they're able to track and know for sure that they've had a healthy release. Of course, in that scenerio the fish likely has not experienced the same amount of exertion. |
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Location: Lake of The Woods | Preperation is key, a lot can get done in 30 and under. If you eliminate a proper measurement or a picture 15-20 is sufficient. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | But even for a picture, you can get it unhooked (most cases fish head is out of the water), let the fish rest in the bag and recoup, then lift, hold, snap, and back in the water...
This fish was one my wife caught a couple of years ago that I got hooked to, had it's head out of the water for a little bit due to me being hooked to it, and I had to cut another treble out on the bottom side of the jaw. While repairing me, the fish recouped in the bag, was fully upright and full of energy. Took the pic and back in she went to fight another day...
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Location: South East Wisconsin | Steve, I’m with you on this issue, besides getting hooked to the fish.  |
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| What is more important then time out of the water is recognizing an over stressed fish before you even consider to remove it from the water.Signs are fish can not stay up right in the water and a glossy like cateract look crossing part or all of the fishes eyes.These fish need revival started imeadiatly and never should be removed from the water at all.Smaller fish always seem to be more hardy and revive very quickly over bigger fish that seem to stress easier.When the water temps are in the 70's plus it is best to revive the fish with in the net like a holding pen,once the fish has come around and actively ready to swim away,then you can bring them out of the water for a quick 30 second picture.But if they have glossed eyes when they first come to the boat,do the revival and only take the picture of the fish in the water. |
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| This is a solid question, nice answer Larry! I would say that watching for stress is the main factor to determine time out of water, when water temps are high or I see a lot of stress, I do not take them out of the water. So this question. Water release is obviously the best and what I practice.
If you have to have an out of the water picture you should be able to see water droplets dripping of the fish in the picture |
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| This is good! I'd like to see more votes!
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Location: Minnetonka | http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/watch.asp?id=1775
Edited by Hammskie 2/17/2011 2:51 PM
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| No longer than you can hold your own breath!
Nothing wrong with putting a fish back in the water in the net if need be.
Be ready, keep a 'clean" boat and know where everything is beforehand.
I'm also NOT a fan of ice fishing muskies or tigers or for shore fishing open water of rivers in winter. Gills exposed to and damaged by icy winds being a commonly overlooked and potentially lethal aspect of handling fish out of water. |
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Location: Cedarburg, Wisconsin | So what scientific evidence am I missing that a fish and a human consume oxygen from blood and convert oxygen to the blood out of the wrong medium at the same rate? As long as you can hold your breath is BS in my book. I've thrown carp up on the bank and had them flop back into the water five minutes later and swim away. Wouldn't it be less erroneous comparing muskies to carp than it is comparing them to humans? How about bullheads? They can last longer than carp out of water and they are fish too aren't they?
The correct answer would seem to be "the least amount of time it takes". |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Almost-B-Good - 2/18/2011 3:34 PM So what scientific evidence am I missing that a fish and a human consume oxygen from blood and convert oxygen to the blood out of the wrong medium at the same rate? As long as you can hold your breath is BS in my book. I've thrown carp up on the bank and had them flop back into the water five minutes later and swim away. Wouldn't it be less erroneous comparing muskies to carp than it is comparing them to humans? How about bullheads? They can last longer than carp out of water and they are fish too aren't they? The correct answer would seem to be "the least amount of time it takes". I don't think I would use those two fish in comparison to a muskie. You named two fish that handle low levels of oxygen very well and can live in water with such low levels of DO that it would kill a muskie. |
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| Try and find Rod Ramsells article in an old EA issue. It will make you think twice about taking a fish out of water.
If you don't know who Rod is? He's the main reason MN Muskie fishing is so good. |
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| If you unhook the fish in the net first--then 30 seconds is more than enough time for your partner to snap a few photo's---quick measurment in the water if you need it and away they go. |
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Location: lake x...where the hell is it? | Ryan Marlowe - 2/12/2011 12:08 PM
Preperation is key, a lot can get done in 30 and under. If you eliminate a proper measurement or a picture 15-20 is sufficient.
if your not taking a pic or measurment then just drop the net. 0 sec out of the water. i do that with most fish, but if i want a pic or/and a measurment then i am going to do that cuz its my right to, 30 secs is more then enough. i pay and you pay alot of money to catch these fish and wanting a pic of one that means something to you is the least you can have to show for all that money. i have about 6 pics of diffrent skis on my wall and each one means alot to me and when i have a hard day i look at my pics and i can go back to that moment when all was right in the world...anit that why we fish for them, well it is for me!!!!
Edited by jay lip ripper 2/18/2011 4:42 PM
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| jay lip ripper - 2/18/2011 4:39 PM
Ryan Marlowe - 2/12/2011 12:08 PM
Preperation is key, a lot can get done in 30 and under. If you eliminate a proper measurement or a picture 15-20 is sufficient.
if your not taking a pic or measurment then just drop the net. 0 sec out of the water. i do that with most fish, but if i want a pic or/and a measurment then i am going to do that cuz its my right to, 30 secs is more then enough. i pay and you pay alot of money to catch these fish and wanting a pic of one that means something to you is the least you can have to show for all that money. i have about 6 pics of diffrent skis on my wall and each one means alot to me and when i have a hard day i look at my pics and i can go back to that moment when all was right in the world...anit that why we fish for them, well it is for me!!!!
I meant if you eliminate one of the two (measure or a pic) 15-20 seconds. Some may want a quick pic with a unusal fish, or just measure a fish with no pic... |
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