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| for the expert of bull dawg....
what are the advantages and disadvantages in the fish with bull dawgs?
and what are the main differences between m.innovation bull dawg and SuperD swimbaits to tackle industries?
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Location: SE Wisconsin | Bulldawgs keep you in the strike zone longer than say, a crank bait. Where a crankbait needs to be "cranked" down to the depth you hope it to be, resulting in a shorter retrieve in the zone you were targeting, dawgs can be counted down and retrieved at a somewhat steady depth for the majority of the retrieve. Just getting to the strike zone your searching for seems easier to achieve. Think of it this way, at a sink rate of a foot p/second you can count her down and assume on the retrieve, if your ripping down or to the side, she'll drop a few feet on the pauses - experience will tell you how long to count down to achieve your strike zone.
Similarly, consider fishing structure for a minute. Say you're casting over a shelf - you want to keep that lure above the weeds on the shelf or off the bottom, so you can "snap-jig", so to speak, until you get to where you think the shelf dives down, then you can let her sink to your preferred depth. If you're fishing over deep weeds, you can do the same technique, to ride her higher in the water column, where a crank bait means waiting for it to float up (if it's a floater) to the height you want it, and overall means more time and more work.
I hate to compare between two mfg's of such similarity, but no offense to James, I have always preferred MI rubber because of the colors and the wider head, and now with the new rubber and hardware, I don't dare risk the switch from what I'm confident in. As far as overall action of the two, they both do the same thing, but MI has the upper hand in my book with the wider or should I say, rounder head. The bigger head displaces more water as it travels, which is just another addition to the lures calling power. |
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Location: Illinois | advantages:lifelike with great action, great fish producer
disadvantages:occasionally lure will foul on it self (tail or other body part will get stuck into the hooks) midcast and the lure is basically useless for that cast. Doesn't happen often, but it will happen.
The main difference between the bulldog and the SuperD swimbaits is the quality. Not saying anything more than that, other than both baits are made of rubber and are prone to tearing over time. |
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| Advantages: The versatility of the bait. Can fish it how ever you want. Endless retrieval options, depth ranges, etc.
Disadvantages: Harder to fish weed cover unless with shallow dawg, bait repair.
I fish with dawgs, just a personal choice though. |
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| thanks a lot!!! |
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Location: Land of the Musky | FYI-Sounds like porno talk but the head on a Mag SuperD is 1.60" wide and the head on a Magnum Bulldawg is 1.60" wide too. Same water displacement for both lures.
Just to babble about my SuperD lures a little...
- 42 stock colors in 6 sizes. Most stock colors I know of by any musky swimbait brand
- Coil harness in my SuperD so the body does not fall off and the lead does not come out of the head of the lures
- Last year I increased the hardness of the plastisol in my SuperDs by 10%
- Triple tempered stainless steel split rings with 175#+++ ratings so you do not have to change out your split rings
- Price....just do a price check and you will see my SuperDs cost on average 25% less then other swimbaits. I do not spend a lot on adverting so I do not have to upcharge my baits to cover that $100k+ per year cost.
Well, these are the main quality aspects of a SuperD. If you hold one and use it you will understand.
UPDATE on the pounder sized MegaDs: I will be dropping the price on these from $19.99 to $15.99. That is about 35%-50% less than other brands selling a similar sized rubber swimbait! I have 84 colors/sizes of MegaDs to choose from! The MegaD lures ALL have the coil harness in them too! That rubber body will not budge on you! Musky Tackle Online already has them repriced and I will after this weekend on my websites. http://www.muskytackleonline.com/acatalog/Red_October_Baits_to_Tack...
Thanks,
James
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Location: SE Wisconsin | James, no offense should have been taken, but I'm not sure where you're taking your measurement, bottom of the head perhaps, but there is clearly a difference in the shape of the head - yours are more narrow on the top and MI's are rounder. There shouldn't be any argument there.
You have a good lure, so again, I'm not coming at you, just curious where you take your measurements.. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | No offense taken. I think its obvious but I appreciate any opportunity to talk about my gear  I also appreciate any negative comments anyone has about my tackle. Without negative comments you cannot improve your tackle. Each lure has its place and time and IMO its a good thing each lure is not like the others. Gives everyone many tools to use. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | The bulldawg is going to be the most versatle lure in your arsenal with the posible exception of a safety pin spinnerbait. From shallow to deep and everything in between you can cover it with one lure. Straight retrieve, jerked, jigged, etc. the possiblities are only limited by your imagination and your willingness to experiment.
As far as differences... the Bulldawg, SuperD and Curly Sue are three completely different animals and each swims differently with varied retrieves. |
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| i would like to see a video of a d compared to a dawg.i have never try a d but that thing look really well build |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I'll get one sent here and shoot that for you. We are currently scheduling a hydrophne/lure shoot for early January anyway. |
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| WOW
what a huge amount of infos
"i would like to see a video of a d compared to a dawg"
ME TOO!
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Location: Michigan | I am just going to assume we are talking about the MagDawg/MagSuperD size. Both are great lures, but they do have different action. Dawgs seem to glide more when fished with a jerk/pause technique while the SuperD has more of a hopping action when used with the same jerk/pause technique. I like the SuperD especially when the fish are really aggressive. It really is a great bait and you can fish it anyway you want to. |
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| sworall good news,i think you have started that a long time ago,must be loaded of different lures .
can you tell us how many lures we will be able to see?or a lil info on what lures? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | We have all the Suick lures, all of Bait Rigs lures (Herbies designs), a bunch of different double 10 tails, a ton of Tackle Industries lures, some Dawgs, and a bunch of various cranks, topwater, and others of all brands. We will record any lure anyone wants us to, all they have to do is send it to me. If they want it back, send return postage as well.. |
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| I would love to see a video of how a Suick is suppoed to be worked! I know they're a good lure but I have no clue what they are supposed to do!
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Location: Denmark | muskie24/7 - 12/12/2010 10:36 AM
I would love to see a video of how a Suick is suppoed to be worked! I know they're a good lure but I have no clue what they are supposed to do!
Brian
Here is something to give you an idea, how it can be worked
http://www.youtube.com/user/NorthAmericanFishing#p/u/32/vVDICny5NbQ |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Here's a couple Suick videos from our gallery.
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/watch.asp?id=2825
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/watch.asp?id=2899 |
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| guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm still waiting for the underwater video of the super D and bulldawg
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | We will need to shoot it, probably early next month. |
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Location: Bemidji, MN | 48" on a mag dog , and 50" on a small (regular) Super D this year. I would say the two are very interchangeable. They are both rubber, have squiggly tails, and muskies eat them! As far as I can tell, there is now wrong way to work them. Reel them straight, jig them, whatever... |
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | I like them both...the D's seem to drop a bit faster in the water column, which in some cases is favorable. Of course a slight bend upward and it will run more like a MI bait. |
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| Got to go with the SuperD. Tackle Industries really brought the quality aspect to swimbaits with the coil harness and the price cannot be beat. $20 for a dawg is a little high IMO for a rubber lure and TIs price of $13.99 for a Mag is perfect. Have yet to find a color I cannot find out of the 42 colors they carry. I have also had a few bad experiences with my Bulldawgs lead coming out of the head. Even one this year failed on me. So for quality and price a big vote for SuperDs. Also like Shack Attack for quality. For the swimming action I have not seen a huge difference in Bulldawgs vs SuperDs. I buy the shallow Regular SuperDs for my shallow action and the Mag SuperDs for my medium to deeper or trolling. I also cast the Mag SuperDs but my shoulder is not what it used to be. Have a few MegaDs too and they are nice but I only troll them now. SuperDs get the vote. |
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Location: SE Wisconsin | Larry, the quality you speak of, are you referring to pre-2010? MI really stepped it up in their quality dept. Harness', hooks, split rings and especially the rubber, it's really durable stuff. As far as price is concerned, TI has an advantage. |
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| Ya, another vote for SuperD swimbaits. Can't beat the price and quality not to mention all of the colors and sizes they have on hand. I have also noticed a lot of donations at musky shows from Tackle Industries. Not putting other companies down but there will be 2-3 lures per company and then a whole table of donated lures and rods from Tackle Industries. Seen it many times over the years. Still have yet to see any other company come close on giving back to the community like they do. That gives another + for them IMO. Good lures and a good company plus they actually work and catch fish!
SuperD swimbaits all the way!
Jerry
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Super D all the way !!!!!! M/I NO WAY !!!!!!!
Thanks James for a QUALITY Bait at a Good Price. |
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| I like them both. We are giving the fish too much credit I think. They can both be bent or twisted to change the action and make them run similar. I can bend each of them to make them do what I want. For me - the Cisco colored TI is a perfect color. And on the flip side - the bulldawg on black and orange is far more intense in color so I go with that one. I just look for colors that catch my eye and adjust the baits when I start casting them.
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Location: Nordeast Minneapolis | I have a confession to make... I have no idea how to work a bulldawg/superD/giant rubber ducky. I have half a a dozen of 'em- last winter I bought 6 (I think?) super D's, because James posts here a lot, and I read here a lot, and so I feel like I'm supporting the work he's doing in some small way. But as the season went on, they migrated one by one out of my tacklebox to make room for something else. Because I don't know what the heck I'm supposed to do with them. I know... I know... 'you can do anything with them!' But I don't know what that's supposed to look like in the water. Steve, any chance you'll be showing how guys work these things on those videos? The suick dockside demo video was extremely helpful! I'd like to get more use out of them than just warm fuzzies... |
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Location: Michigan | gus_webb - I use them like this but faster.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ITJCAyI1g |
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| nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| I have a question about Bulldawgs in general. I have a few where I have lost the the "thumper" part of the tail ( the fat end on the tip). Besides confidence, do any of you feel that it is necessary to have that on there? I am sure the vibration is similar but the tail does not quite have the action without it vs. with. Probably a silly question but wanted to here what the opinions of the masses was.
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Location: NorthCentral WI | Junkie...
When that happens I either use part of a mogambo grub and melt that back on to the tip OR slice the tail down the middle so it essentially becomes a twin tail (although slightly shorter). |
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Location: Land of the Musky | I also have replacement tails for the Regular, Magnum and Pounder/MegaD sized swimbaits. The plastisol should be perfect for most brands. 6 color packs for about $10 which is about 50% of what you will pay normally.
See the bottom of each of my SuperD pages for the tails :
http://www.tackleindustries.com/bassfishingprolure.html
http://www.tackleindustries.com/largemouthbasslure.html
http://www.tackleindustries.com/pikeswimbait.html
Easy to put on and fix your damaged swimbait with Mend It, Hawg Seekers Glue or a torch and melt the two parts together.
James
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Location: Bemidji, MN | gus_webb - 12/21/2010 4:04 PM
I have a confession to make... I have no idea how to work a bulldawg/superD/giant rubber ducky. QUOTE]
guss_webb, that is the beauty of these baits, the can be used for anything, and worked just about any way. Most of the fish I have caught on the super D's and bulldogs was when I was just reeling them in a straight line. you can throw in a jig or two now and then for good measure, as this will sometimes trigger strikes. I really started to like the shallow regular sized super D last season, as it can replace a bucktail in alot of situations. it also seems to be weighted better than the shallow bulldog, and stays upright in the water better. It does take some faith at first, since the baits don't feel like they are doing much when you reel them in, but don't give up, fish will come, and the lures will be another part of your arsenal.
James runs an A+ operation over at Tackle Industries, and has always gone out of his way to get baits to me when I need them, so I prefer to buy from him. I don't have much negative to say about bulldogs either, they have a spot in my boat as well (just not as big a spot!).
Happy Holidays to all. |
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Location: Nordeast Minneapolis | And that's probably part of my problem... I don't feel like it's *doing* anything. Well, maybe next year I'll give 'em another chance. And if any other sweet videos happen to be filmed or found between now and then, where experts share how they use the lure, maybe I can gain some confidence in them. |
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| Here's a good video on how to fish bulldawgs/superd's in cold water....this is NOT me in the video....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZpqKNvAAJc |
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