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Location: Verona, WI | I am partially giving up an idea I had on a bait which made me think of a good topic (at least I think). What bait ideas have you had that never really turned out? Lately I have been trying to build a dive and rise/glider combo bait. My thought was if you could get a bait to move right to left while diving, you could use a glider much deaper without having to count it down. Started with a design similar to an old Cobbs I had. Balanced it, weighted it, and installed an extra hook hanger on the nose. Bait looked like a rhino. I was able to get it to dive and glide but the diving action seemed to mute the glide action - ended up with a bait that could neither dive or glide very effectively.
What weird stuff have others tried that never really panned out?
Shane
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| Shane it sounds like your trying to build a reef hawg.
you may need that kinda shape at the mouth of the bait.
I have a couple jerkos that do just that, very long pulls and the bait dives deep, then a few taps with slack line and the bait is a glider.
I designed my bait to count down and run much deeper then most gliders, one thing I don't like is a glider that runs high. |
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| All is not lost! You already have some blanks you aren't happy w/ so you shouldn't have any real problems cutting them up any more right? Like "fix said, try out a mouth or sloped head or any other idea you have. I went through about 30 prototypes on my lures to get lips, weight, lip angle, length, etc... just right so your work has just began. If you don't want to make some that don't work, copy proven designs. If you want to make something new, lots of trials and tribulations my friend. Don't give up as you may be on to something HOT. I have made so many baits that didn't run the way I wanted them too. How about a foiled 14" thru wire deep diver w/ aluminum lip that I spent a week making for this falls big fish time and it had the worst action I have ever seen or how I wanted to make a shallow diver that you could speed troll and I made some that did circles on top of the water way out of balance. If you don't mess it up a bunch you will never learn anything. I see so many people just ask questions w/o ever trying things out for themselves and they never really will get it. Move weight back and forth, try different head shapes, maybe different profile? Its a long winter and you my friend have a project to work on. So do any of us mess up baits? My first 25 proto's were far from what I ended up w/, so keep that chin up and go make some sawdust! If you ever get what you are looking for let us know. As for shallow gliders not being good? lmao! Ever fish a manta or hellhound over the tops of weeds? I have and I do well, so shallow gliders are good despite what others have said. If you want a glider just for deep weed edges and deep rocks then go for a deep model glider but if you want to fish it where ever you want you have to learn your bait and know how to make it do what you want. Keep up the good work and you my friend are not the first person to have a great idea that had issues turning your ideas it into a bait. Love the ideas!
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| you have to look at the curve. first off you have the gumption to experiment. from looking at your quality in the pictures you will get to what you want. after all the years of my own trial and error i could heat my house with my tryouts.. thinking outside the box is exactly what you would expect from musky folks. |
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Location: Verona, WI | I am not done quite yet - just taking a break from the kindling. My ultimate goal was to have the bait used as a standard glider with the lower line tie but then the "Reef Hawg" action when you used the upper line tie. I have experimented with weight and found that it has better action the further out I move the weight which makes sense. The parts I still am working on are the amount of weight, the location of the top hook hanger, and the roundness of the edges.
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Location: Oregon | I couldn't tell you how many failures I have had Shane. At one time I had a laundry basket full of failed experiments. A few years back I had 200 bodies cut for me and I wasn't happy with the action of them so I never used them. I have dozens of stencils of cranks and gliders, would show you a pic but they are out in my unheated shop and it's too #*^@ cold to go get them! lol I stumbled upon a glider that will do everything you are talking about though.....dives and has a huge glide. Most of my failures were just that, failures, but others actually taught me things by accident. I enjoy the process of lure building and failures are part of the game. I have fewer failures today than I used to but I still have them.
Jed
Edited by RiverMan 12/9/2010 11:46 PM
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Location: Pigeon Forge TN. | Approach the problems with an open mind Shane and you will do all right. I may only paint but I keep an open mind as to HOW i paint and just where to layer certain colors as there is a big difference on the effect.
The slightest change in any thing can take you a long ways sometimes.
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Location: Verona, WI | One thing I have found is the type of plastic tail makes a HUGE difference. The tails on the baits above are Kalin Mogambo grubs. I threw one of those baits today (#2) and it came in like a waterlogged stick. However, when I removed the plastic tail and just threw the bait it worked great. Quick run to Dorns and I got 6" "sickle" tails and they bats work great. The wider the twister tail, the more drag on the lure and the more it reduces the action of the bait.
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Location: holland | smaller ore thinner rubber tails helps alot fore a good glyde,some tails wil not work,try many tails and you see that you can get a nice left to the right action out it.
dive and left to the right action out that model from you,can be a problem,the shape off the body's and the material ore not the best fore it.
if you have a 3d bodie from solid plastic,you can easy a left to the right action with dive and rise out of it(like my chubbie baits) .
olso the place where you put the lead is very importent,you don't must the lead place fore a glyder,bud fore a hybrid,one peace of lead fore the tummy hook and one peace right after,then wil he go's more dive,and the fishing eye indeed on top off the bait,then you pull the bait under water en he will rise when you take a brake.
let us now if its wurks.
greets nick
(sorrie fore my bad englisch hahahahah) |
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Location: Rhinelander. | I remember those good old days. Lots of those were stolen when I was robbed but have some left. |
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