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| I feel if you want to put your pictures up of big fish you should be willing to disclose the lake. For those that want to only brag and yet not really help or contribute to only feed their own egos are abusing sites like this and their purpose.
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| If you care not to help your fellow fisherman and have such secrets than keep your fish to yourself. This is a huge turn off to many of us even though we could care what lake it is. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | No requirement to disclose the lake in the Lax Reproduction contest, and never will be. You DO know that's a contest, right?
No requirement in the reports section or any other thread, either.
They are following the posting permissions set by OFM, so I fail to see any abuse, except to your curiosity.
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | For better or worse, when people the world over catch a fish, kill a deer, climb a mountain, have a baby, graduate from college/highschool/tech school/, etc. etc, they like to share this accomplishment with their friends, peers, family, enemies and the such. But to say they're all somehow bragging by putting their pics up might be taking it to an unncessary level. Many of the members here who do not share the "where" of a catch are more than willing to give up a large amount of the know-how that goes into the "how" of a catch. I might be different than many in that I would rather learn more about how to catch a fish on any given day versus seeing where someone else caught a different fish yesterday, a month ago, or a year or more ago.
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Location: Palm Coast, FL | Instead of lashing out at people...why don't you send them a PM asking for information? Crazy concept, huh? |
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| If you "could care what lake it is", then why did you post with your concern of sharing the lake that the big fish was caught on? Almost every friend that I fish with has a specific lake or spot that they do not want me to share with other friends. I do my best to respect those wishes for their sake. I personally do not have secret lakes or spots, because I know how difficult musky fishing can be. It is not uncommon for me to tell another angler that I have never met before, where I raised a fish before leaving a lake. It is my belief that conditions have to be right for a big fish to show herself, much less actually eat. On some systems I think specific presentations on specific spots during specific conditions will produce very big fish. If the angler does not want to share this information with the masses, because they put in the time and effort to pattern that particular body of water, so be it. This fall has been a great year for many that frequent this site, and I enjoy seeing the results of the hard work and dedication that goes into this sport. 55, 56, 57, inchers, I don't care if it was lake x, in Alaska, keep them coming!!!!!!!! |
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| Steve jones. Let's see some of your big fish and where you caught them so we can all join you there. |
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| If there is a single lesson to be learned from reading these boards, (not just here) it seems that it is to post your pics with absolutely no mention whatsoever of even a single detail. If you mention the length, the girth or any physical attributes of the catch, you will be soundly accused of being a liar. If you add anything about the rod, the reel, line, bait or other equipment, you will be accused of being a whore. And, if you say a word or two about the methods or patterns you employed, you might also be accused of being a dumb-ass. Saying the name of the lake, might even be the worst of all because all of your friends who fish that water with you will hate you for bringing the hordes to "THEIR" lake. If you just put up a nice photo of a nice fish, people are likely to say, "Hey nice fish!" which is really all they should say anyway....BUT THEY DON'T! Marty Forman |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Junkman - 11/15/2010 8:20 AM
If there is a single lesson to be learned from reading these boards, (not just here) it seems that it is to post your pics with absolutely no mention whatsoever of even a single detail. If you mention the length, the girth or any physical attributes of the catch, you will be soundly accused of being a liar. If you add anything about the rod, the reel, line, bait or other equipment, you will be accused of being a whore. And, if you say a word or two about the methods or patterns you employed, you might also be accused of being a dumb-ass. Saying the name of the lake, might even be the worst of all because all of your friends who fish that water with you will hate you for bringing the hordes to "THEIR" lake. If you just put up a nice photo of a nice fish, people are likely to say, "Hey nice fish!" which is really all they should say anyway....BUT THEY DON'T! Marty Forman
Well said Mr. Forman.... I don't care where they caught it, or how big it is,... I enjoy looking at pictures, Which feeds my passion for fishing for these things..... Keep the pics coming!
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| Perhaps Lake X has been more productive than any of the other lakes. I know others might get mad at me for sharing this, but here is the lake map....but don't tell anyone else because it is a secret.
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| I just like to look at the pictures. I had to pick ten things that someone could tell me about their catch that could help me catch more fish? What lake they caught it on would't even make the list.
I suppose you'd be dissapointed if all you wanted was to know where you should go fish next, but if someone chooses not to disclose where they caught a big fish? Who CARES?
Here's akll you need to know about lake X:
It's a 200 acres. Only a handful of people fish it. There is some natural reproduction. It's got deep water, lots of structure, and it's connected to a few quality musky lakes. It's got a very substantial forage base. It's capable of turning out some tremendous fish. Most of the time, you'll have the lake to yourself. On a bad day there might be another musky angler out there, and maybe a few people fishing for walleyes. But it's people you know, so it doesn't bother you.
There ARE lakes like that. The only reason they are like that is because nobody has been dumb enough to catch a big fish there and go put a picture of it on the internet and tell everyone where they caught it. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Steve Jones I did not realize you wrote the rule book for online forums. EVEN IF people are bragging a little, who's to say thats not okay? Thats half the fun of websites like this one! Keep the pictures coming boys and girls. |
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| Come on Conservation guy!!! The lid was blown on Lake x long ago but no one realized lake Y existed right beside it because of all the trees blocking it's view! 
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | No offense guys but I think the subject got covered when Sworrall stated the site rules. Sure, the poster had taken an over zealous approach and made a comment that now he wishes he might of stated differently. But climbing all over the guy for stating something that most of us don't believe to be true?? Right , wrong, or inbetween everyone is still entitled to their opinion. Numerous frontal attacks just drives people away with a bad taste in their mouths about Muskie Fishermen. There are allot of great guys & gals in this sport. But the sport and it's players will be judged by the noisy few. i would hope we would take time and think it through a bit more that's all. |
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| Is the poster Captain Steve Jones from the Detroit River and St. Clair? If so, I think Captain Jones needs to realize not everyone is fishing such large bodies of water and that naming small bodies of water alongside a picture of a big fish usually resuts in a huge increase in pressure. That's why folks don't name lakes. You may not care, but a lot of weekend warriors who try to follow the hot bite sure do. I've watched it happen on a number of lakes the past few years.
Regarding the comment that posting pics of big fish without naming the lake turns people off...come on, really? Other than you and the hot bite chasers who does it upset? Everyone I know likes seeing pictures of big fish, regardless whether the lake is identified. |
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Location: Ontario, California | I caught absolutely nothing on Lake X and Lake X #2 |
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| esoxaddict - 11/15/2010 11:17 AM
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There ARE lakes like that. The only reason they are like that is because nobody has been dumb enough to catch a big fish there and go put a picture of it on the internet and tell everyone where they caught it.
I nominate this for post/snippet of the year.
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| I fail to understand how knowing the name of a lake a big fish is caught on is contributing to anything. I also don't remember there being anything mentioned about the purpose of this site when I signed up. Techniques would go much further for shorting the learning curve on how to catch big fish than the name of a lake.
I like looking at big beautiful trophy musky no matter where they came from. Gives me hope and something to shoot for. |
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| just do what alot of people do and catch a hog in Wisconsin and say that you caught it in MN.. When in doubt of a lake name to use, Mille Lacs and Vermillion are always a good choice.. |
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| 10 K - 11/15/2010 3:03 PM
just do what alot of people do and catch a hog in Wisconsin and say that you caught it in MN.. When in doubt of a lake name to use, Mille Lacs and Vermillion are always a good choice..
Nah, no big fish there. Trout Lake, Wisconsin is where all the hot big fish action is happening. I refer to it as lake "Z" that or just claim there all caught out of Green Bay
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| I've found musky anglers to be very opinionated and secretive about certain things, and yet I've learned nearly everything I know about musky fishing to what other anglers have chosen to teach me. That includes a lot of what I've read here over the last handful of years. Seems to me there is great information to be gained about seasonal patterns, how fish relate to structure, the how/when/where/why of targeting them, including what spots and depths to target, along with specific presentations that are working at any given time. So, before the thread goes completely downhill, I have to ask:
Considering what "Lake X" typically describes, what benefit would there be to disclosing its location? The only benefit I see os for the anglers who just want a shortcut to big fish. I guess I was there at some point, but as the years have gone by, I realize that actually being able to encounter and catch quality fish on a regular basis is something that takes years of work. Along with that comes a lot of frustration, a lot of experimentation, a lot of fishless days, and eventually leads to discovery. As you develop your own style, and you find things that work for you, you gradually come to the point where you start seeing and catching fish no matter where you go.
That's called accomplishment. So I'll ask again:
What benefit is there to anyone if I catch a big fish, and then tell everyone where I caught it? Do you know how many people visit this site? I know quite a few of them, and those I know I would trust with any information I give them. But there are others, and I've known them too. Those folks will promptly flock to whatever lake you tell them about, and proceed to assult that lake with no regard to you, the fishery, the local residents, or anything else except the fact that THEY want to catch big fish. So why take the chance? We ALL want to catch big fish, but we all don't have the same respect for the resource, the environment, or each other.
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Location: Roscoe IL | Some do & some don't.
With fishing this makes no difference to me... With Women thats a problem..! |
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| hammskie we got you with the tosh reference - best post on the thread
IMO, lake x is fine, blurring the background in your pics is LAME though! |
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Location: Victoria,MN | I never caught a dang thing on Lk. X, XX, or Y! Every stinkin' time I get there I'm told by some old guy on the dock that I "should'a been here yesterday"! |
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| I say keep the BIG FISH pics coming. Who cares where they are caught--I like the pics and the stories that go with them--everybody should keep their lakes to themselves-- I know I don't need anymore pressure where I fish and I know others don't want me pressuring their lakes. |
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| Juhas - 11/15/2010 5:06 AM
Steve jones. Let's see some of your big fish and where you caught them so we can all join you there.
EXACTLY.
That is the problem with online forums...there are ZERO secrets in anything in life anymore. Muskies or not, word gets out that a big fat slob of a muskie was caught on Lake X then Joe Blow that sits at a desk all week that does zero of his own homework is going to drive to Lake X in search of another fatty and tell multiple friends about it at the same time.
I lived in AK for 5 years prior to MN....one of the local guides up there took it upon himself to publish a book on the top 50 rivers in AK to float hunt - guess how good those rivers are now? |
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| Can't believe nobody posted a pic of a big fish in this thread yet....how's this one for starters.... 
Aaaagh, it's too big of a file...will try again in a bit if I can resize it.
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| If you catch a trophy you earn the right to fill the form as per the rules,any fish, any form, any contest.EASYBUTTON! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | And before the web it was radio, TV, magazines, newspapers, books, resorts at shows and guides who passed on the information to the public. All sorts of local and national contests, even in Canada. Ask anyone who was there about Wabigoon, portions of LOTW, Minaki, etc. No World Wide Web to blame there and back then there were no GPS coordinates to share with your 'trusted friends'.
Much of Minnesota's and other State's muskie waters are BRAND new in muskie fishery terms, or the word would have been out a very long time ago, like it was on the original Mississippi waters where the fish originated. One of the most infamous images in Muskie angling history is from Leech Lake a very long time ago.
Allot of why there ARE big fish to catch is good management and the relatively new concept of CPR.
The problem, literally, isn't just how folks learn about new waters, it's the fact muskie angling is and has been the fastest growing segment in freshwater fishing for a long time, and a large percentage of the muskie anglers arguing about this are total newbies compared to an old timer like me. Should I and others of my generation accuse you 'youngsters' who are 40 or less of causing all this ruckus? Before YOU started muskie fishing, I had the lakes pretty much to myself. Ridiculous? Sure, but no more than some of the statements I see posted to threads like this one.
By the way, it's probably the Lax Contest that generated this thread in the first place, not fishing success reports. LOTS of Lake X there, and that's absolutely fine, I think.
What removes you or any of us from your Joe Blow? Can you honestly say everything you now know about MN waters or anywhere else you fish you learned entirely on your own?
Did everyone miss the statement from the original poster that IF he is blessed with a really big fish....
This sort of unpleasant and antisocial train wreck argument makes me uncomfortable, because it proves out what some folks say about ALL muskie anglers.
Unfortunate.
Making broad overstatements from any perspective, especially one 'highly critical' of some ethereal group of anglers, is no more 'acceptable' than the original statement. Frontiers will be discovered, it's inevitable. The World Wide Web is here to stay. Amazingly, one need look no further than the DNR websites of each State to find out where the big fish should be. Muskies, Walleyes, Bass...any specie.
We have a free image resizer offered in a couple forums here. Download it, it's really easy to use. Google VSO Image resizer. |
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| Only in muskie fishing is the guy who works full-time 40 hours a week or more is the lazy slob, but the guy who is fortunate enough to fish every day is the "hard worker". Only kidding of course, but I do find that slightly humorous as well.
When and if I catch a monster on LOTW, I will certainly put in lake X. I mean, seriously, who wants the word to get out on that place?
Ryan
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| I vote for keeping reports coming, even if the lake isn't named- I, for one, enjoy regardless |
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| sworrall - 11/15/2010 8:53 PM
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Should I and others of my generation accuse you 'youngsters' who are 40 or less of causing all this ruckus? Before YOU started muskie fishing, I had the lakes pretty much to myself. Ridiculous? [...]
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| Fishwizard - 11/15/2010 8:56 PM
Only in muskie fishing is the guy who works full-time 40 hours a week or more is the lazy slob, but the guy who is fortunate enough to fish every day is the "hard worker". Only kidding of course, but I do find that slightly humorous as well.
When and if I catch a monster on LOTW, I will certainly put in lake X. I mean, seriously, who wants the word to get out on that place?
Ryan
I see what you mean, guess that didn't come out right. Many will do the work, but so many people are looking for the easy fix on all the forums out there....and not just in muskie fishing, it's nearly every outdoor sport and I guess that's what fueled my post last night - sorry, guess this post just hit a nerve that's been twitching for a while.
I feel this way because of one sport in particular - I'm an avid shed hunter...was a shed hunter long before the internet shed forums popped up and since the internet, shed hunting is a completely different sport now and in some areas has become pretty cut throat - never ever thought when I was a kid growing up finding sheds that one day I'd hear about guys paying $$ to shed hunt because some landowners know there are people willing to pay to access some of the best ground for it. It got to the level because of forums and the ease of sharing "too much" info before realizing the effects it was going to have. Luckly for us, muskie waters are public and nobody will ever charge us to fish! Anyway...this is a muskie forum...sorry for the rant...
Forums have many great things too and I know they take a lot of maintenence to maintain so hats off to those willing to put in the time. Meeting other people at the same level of insanity regarding anything you want to do is my favorite part of online communities...that's the fun part, and so is sharing pictures of big fatties - I just wish there were more pics! Here is the one I tried to post last night from that fantastic Lake X.
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| sworrall - 11/15/2010 8:53 PM
And before the web it was radio, TV, magazines, newspapers, books, resorts at shows and guides who passed on the information to the public. All sorts of local and national contests, even in Canada. Ask anyone who was there about Wabigoon, portions of LOTW, Minaki, etc. No World Wide Web to blame there and back then there were no GPS coordinates to share with your 'trusted friends'.
Steve - you gotta admit that even with all of those resources combined they were no where nearly as accessible to everyone like the click of a mouse is. Agree? The info was still out there, but it took more work to access for the guy wanting to chase "X" fish or critter, so my uneducated guess is the ease of the internet and forums such as this one have fueled the "boom" in fisherman under 40. |
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Location: Minnesota | This fish was caught on your favorite lake, at your spot 5 minuets before you fished it. Enjoy!
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| Even got a can of PBR in the boat! Nice! Love seeing huge fish in small boats, nice fish man! |
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | Along with Lake X is the notorious Area Lake that is renowned for producing big fish.
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| FlyFish failed to mention that this particular lake has no public access, and the only way to fish it is to carry a canoe over a mile through old snowmobile trails. |
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Location: oswego, il | Muskie03, what kind of Ranger is that? |
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| "For those that want to only brag and yet not really help or contribute to only feed their own egos"
that's funny!
I say, post all the pics you want, and keep your mouth shut about everything else aside from telling us the story and how everyone was excited when it happened.
we dont need to know what lake, frankly this year is proving that giants live in just about every major lake and river in north america. Catching them is a different story.
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