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Location: New Hope MN | One of my buddies told me he saw an advertisement from KSTP (he thinks, coulda been a different local channel) that was an investigation on stocking MN lakes with Musky. The ad was very negative from what he said. One of those, Musky will eat our fish...
Does anyone know more about this? Channel, date & time?
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| despite the lies and propaganda pushed by the mdaa and others, public support for the MN stocking proposals during the input period was 86% postive - people aren't quite as stupid as srmm and mdaa would like them to be. |
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| Chanel 5 thursday night
This is from Bob McNaney's twitter:
Odd day. Writing story for Thursday on Muskies..good stuff, prep work for elections, now, hearing Moss may be gone.KSTP.COm with details. |
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| have you seen the commercial promo'ing this???,,,,it makes it sound like a halfway house for sex predators is coming in or the previews for the newest horror fick. |
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| I heard this advertised on KFAN this morning and I got the impression that this would be a very negative report in regards to stocking muskie. I also think that it will make the reporter and News Channel look very foolish if they don't have their facts straight. Someone may want to call and see what they have to say........or maybe just let them look silly. I am sure there are a lot of people out there who will believe what they hear though. |
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| About a thousand emails to Bob McNaney requesting him to check facts may not be a bad idea. It's a good idea to be civil. |
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| asteffes - 11/3/2010 5:16 PM
I heard this advertised on KFAN this morning and I got the impression that this would be a very negative report in regards to stocking muskie. I also think that it will make the reporter and News Channel look very foolish if they don't have their facts straight. Someone may want to call and see what they have to say........or maybe just let them look silly. I am sure there are a lot of people out there who will believe what they hear though.
That's the problem though, most people don't know anything more than what they would hear in the report. The promo sounded like typical sensationalism; absolutely ridiculous and ignorant to the facts but people who don't know better will eat it up and the muskie stocking will come out looking real bad. |
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Location: mpls | Just sent my email in advance.  |
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| heres one of the "shock" lines their pushing on the promo
"People who dont even live on the lake-in fact dont even live in the state are making these decisions" |
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Location: WI | Heard an ad on KFAN yesterday, email sent. |
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Location: Sauk Centre MN | Here's what I just sent the reporter:
Mr. McNaney,
I could not help commenting on the advertisements regarding the investigative report on Muskie stocking planned for tonight. I grew up in the Horseshoe chain area and have always been an avid fisherman. Based on the tone of the advertisements, it seems that this report will be mainly about the negative effects of muskie stocking programs planned for that area. As you probably learned through your investigation, the DNR and other Muskie Fishing organizations typically err on the side of conservation and sustainability. I'm sure that you are concerned with responsible reporting and that this report will include the facts relating to similar successful stocking programs as a function of lake health, species growth, tourism and sustainability. It sounds as if the people who live on this lake feel as though this body of water is theirs. Unfortunately, not all Minnesotan's are able to live on a lake but we all pay taxes for the Legacy Amendment and DNR funding. I hope that you've asked all of the people who live on the lakes that the enjoy the concrete landings, well cared for docks and current stocking programs which those opponents of this have been taking advantage of for years, if they'd give those back or buy them from the DNR. All Minnesotan's own that lake.
Muskies are a top predator but for context the best fisheries for almost any species in Minnesota have muskies stocked. Miltona, Minnetonka, White Bear, Forrest Lake, Mille Lacs, Leech, Vermillion, LOTW, Independance just to name a few. I pray that this story was not just a reaction to a complaint from the few uneducated and selfish lakeside residence who believe that their lake is not for use by others. I also hope you discussed with them the types of lake management practices they currently use. Their beaches which have eliminated fish habitat, spearing which there cannot be catch and release, freezers filled with fish from the last 20 yrs of fishing these lakes and they still bring home their limits every time they hit the water. Be careful with this one as us conservation minded Muskie fisherman are a well informed group.
Sincerly,
Dan M
Sauk Centre, MN
Edited by dmack 11/4/2010 9:07 AM
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| e-mail sent.
You can watch the promo at http://kstp.com/article/stories/s1546969.shtml.
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Location: Eagan, MN | dmack - 11/4/2010 9:06 AM
Here's what I just sent the reporter:
Mr. McNaney,
I could not help commenting on the advertisements regarding the investigative report on Muskie stocking planned for tonight. I grew up in the Horseshoe chain area and have always been an avid fisherman. Based on the tone of the advertisements, it seems that this report will be mainly about the negative effects of muskie stocking programs planned for that area. As you probably learned through your investigation, the DNR and other Muskie Fishing organizations typically err on the side of conservation and sustainability. I'm sure that you are concerned with responsible reporting and that this report will include the facts relating to similar successful stocking programs as a function of lake health, species growth, tourism and sustainability. It sounds as if the people who live on this lake feel as though this body of water is theirs. Unfortunately, not all Minnesotan's are able to live on a lake but we all pay taxes for the Legacy Amendment and DNR funding. I hope that you've asked all of the people who live on the lakes that the enjoy the concrete landings, well cared for docks and current stocking programs which those opponents of this have been taking advantage of for years, if they'd give those back or buy them from the DNR. All Minnesotan's own that lake.
Muskies are a top predator but for context the best fisheries for almost any species in Minnesota have muskies stocked. Miltona, Minnetonka, White Bear, Forrest Lake, Mille Lacs, Leech, Vermillion, LOTW, Independance just to name a few. I pray that this story was not just a reaction to a complaint from the few uneducated and selfish lakeside residence who believe that their lake is not for use by others. I also hope you discussed with them the types of lake management practices they currently use. Their beaches which have eliminated fish habitat, spearing which there cannot be catch and release, freezers filled with fish from the last 20 yrs of fishing these lakes and they still bring home their limits every time they hit the water. Be careful with this one as us conservation minded Muskie fisherman are a well informed group.
Sincerly,
Dan M
Sauk Centre, MN
Very well said. So did anyone see the program?
Edited by cast10K 11/4/2010 10:27 AM
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | happy hooker - 11/3/2010 2:33 PM
have you seen the commercial promo'ing this???,,,,it makes it sound like a halfway house for sex predators is coming in or the previews for the newest horror fick.
Well a well known predator got interviewed for the story this morning.  We'll see how bad the interview is twisted... |
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| Get your popcorn ready! |
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Location: New Hope MN | what time is it going to air? |
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Location: Sauk Centre MN | I believe its the 10 o'clock news. I'm DVRing every broadcast today. |
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| But the muskies do eat all the other fish !!!!!!!!! |
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Location: Blaine, MN |
It's amazing how they keep referring to lake shore owners as lake owners, my family has had a cabin for 30 years and never had an opportunity to purchase the lake that it is on, I better check into it. |
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| Please also call or email asking them to AT LEAST present a factual and thoroughly researched report that at leasts talks about all sides at stake, then let the viewers form their OWN opinion. Sadly it will likely be presented in such a slanted manner that it misinforms more people. Any way at least send them some civil emails to put some pressure on them to hopefully not air until all facts are straight.
here is the email I sent: (a bit long winded)
Dear KSTP and Mr. McNaney-
I noticed your promo on your investigation into stocking Mn lakes with muskies? Have you really done your research on both sides regarding this matter? Your promo is obviously very slanted due to some uninformed lake property owners who are resistant to the proposal. This is very disappointing. Do the lake property owners really "own" the lake? Doesn't the lake itself actually belong to the state and the ALL the people who live here? Stocking efforts of many species take place all over the state due to the fact that fishing is a significant portion of our economy statewide, and is something many residents and non-residents of this state enjoy. The popularity of muskie fishing has risen exponentially in the last 5 or more years, currently the fishing pressure on the few lakes stocked with muskies is getting to be very high. There has been a very positive economic contribution due to muskie fishing all over the state. We are seeing an increase of out of state as well is in state muskie fishing people spending their money across the state as they vacation and take trips here. However, it is still very limited, and the opportunity needs to grow to keep pace with the increased demand. This will benefit everyone, increased license revenue for the DNR, increased tourism dollars into much needed areas of the state, and most importantly increased angling opportunities for the in and out state anglers.
Another point of contention seems to be the huge misconception that by stocking a lake with muskies it will negatively affect other species. This could not be further from the truth, however, people form perceptions and believe it to be fact with no research. One only needs to look at some of the TOP fisheries in the state - Vermilion, Mille Lacs, Leech, Cass, Winnie, Lake of the Woods, Crane Lake, Island Lake (near Duluth), Minnetonka, the St. Louis River, and many other lakes throughout the state and even other areas like Wisconsin and Canada where the top fisheries for Bass, Walleye, Northern Pike, and pan fish is nothing short of outstanding. Efforts such as limits, slot sizes, CATCH & RELEASE, have improved our fisheries whereas muskie fishing has not negatively affected in any way. If anything it helps maintain a proper balance of an ecosystem. Muskies are also a low density fish, it does not require millions or more fry/fingerling to be stocked to be effective.
Also, look at walleyes, they are also considered a predatory fish, and are stocked in many lakes, yet the resistance is not there for walleyes? Do people think the walleyes will disappear because of the muskies? Yet another myth. Do you realize that a boat of 4 anglers who EACH keep a limit of walleyes (4 each= 16 fish total), take more walleyes from a lake than one muskie likely will all year. Now multiple that times hundreds of boats each day on a lake. Now this is perfectly legal and there is nothing wrong with this from a fishery standpoint as long as the DNR and citizens continue to properly manage our lakes. But in the end, what is really affecting our fisheries?? The only one to blame in the end is in the mirror, its all of the fisherman/woman! Stocking muskies has not and is not the problem! Muskies generally target different classes of bait fish than the other game fish in the lake and the ecosystem balances itself out very nicely. Have yet to visit a lake full of muskies, but no other fish because the muskies ate them all!
I fear and suspect both sides will not be factually and accurately represented, and a slanted viewpoint will be slung on to the viewers who will believe this to be gospel and only bring further resistance. I certainly hope that is not the case. Muskie fishing is a growing sport, fortunately the DNR is recognizing this and trying to increase opportunities however some citizens are unfortunately trying to destroy any positive efforts because of their slanted and misinformed viewpoint. Do you understand the industry that has developed around muskie fishing, providing an positive honest income for many citizens?
In addition, do you know that a majority if not all muskie fisherman/women are multi-species anglers? They are also some of the biggest proponents of catch and release angling for all species which has PROVEN to be a successful method to ensure excellent fishing for all for generations to come. These are conservation minded people that take very good care of the resources they enjoy. It is important to promote efforts like these that increase opportunities for all of us, EVEN if some individuals CHOOSE not to take advantage of them. There are many others who will take advantage. Not doing something that is good for a large group because a small group of uninformed oppose is unfortunate and hopefully not due to biased information. I hope you can present a well researched, written, and produced story to inform the viewers and allow them to form their OWN opinions.
As a side note, I have absolutely no stake in this lake, I am not a lake property owner in this area. I am however, an avid fisherman of Muskies, Walleye and other species as well.
Thank you for taking the time to read this and I would appreciate a response regarding this story. |
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Location: Nordeast Minneapolis | Anyone get a response to their emails yet??? I'm guessing 'no'. |
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| theres a NEW PROMO ad now,,,it has "Treats on it stating that all these lakes are public and we have just has much right to them" good job Shawn!!!!
I wonder if I can still book comercial time during this segment!!!
a hairy angler hunched over the hole,,,with the catchphrase
"Spearing,,,,,so easy a caveman can do it",,and just has outdated!!! |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Just found a working link...
Should be "interesting" to see how this plays out...
Steve
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| They also have a facebook page! Go to it and tell all your muskie friends to chime in to show support.
I can already tell this is going to be a long and hard battle at the state capital this winter with the Darkhouse. Atleast we know that we can unite and let our voices be heard. Thanks to all that commented on this issue. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | At least we won't have to worry about one N MN Senator trying to open Cass up to spearing this winter LOL |
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| Yeah she's gone.
One of the funniest Mary Olson moments at a Senate hearing this year:
"Well my husband thinks muskies eat all the walleyes."
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | Anyway for us not in the broadcast area to watch this??? |
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| I am oretty sure it will be up on their website. |
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Location: Alexandria, Minnesota | great e-mails |
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| The facebook replies have been very professional and overwhelming! I think they may need to do a part II on this one. |
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Location: Alexandria, Minnesota | Wow......That show didnt go as bad as they made it sound... One resort owner and a bunch of signatures the over weight guy got from Old Country Buffet... He was the guy handing pamphlets to people at the Cold Spring meeting telling them that their lake would be destroyed in 10 years by muskies. |
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Location: Twin Cities, MN | I agree, I normally do no watch news, but did watch this.
It had the feel of the old " not in my back yard" kind of piece.
A good portion was spent with a representative from Muskies, Inc and the DNR who was allowed to state that feedback to new lakes is currently running in favor by 8-1.
The station did throw up the stats that the DNR recieved comments from 20 states and Canana, but left it at that and did not really dig into that at all.
The story really seemed to be a bunch of people who do not want anything to change. and keep additional traffic off "THEIR " lake. The DNR was alllowed to reply to their comments by stating that they do not own the lake, the citizens of MN do and that they can control fish populations when introducing new species.
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| I too was pleasantly surprised by the tone of the story. I enjoyed how the DNR rep said something to the effect of;we take into account the substance of the comments to those in oppositon of the stocking. I understood that to mean they won't give any weight to the NIMBY arguement. |
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Location: New Hope MN | That wasn't anywhere near as bad as they made it sound. |
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| It seemed fair and balanced to me. For a tv news piece that is |
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Location: Hugo, MN | http://kstp.com/article/stories/S1824406.shtml?cat=0
I don't think it presented all of the facts nor did they point out that Minnesota's most popular angling lakes like Mille Lacs, Vermilllion, Bemidji, Cass, Lake of The Woods, Pokegama all have Muskies in them and nary a scientist has been able to show that Muskies do anything but benefit the population of sport fish. |
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Anti Musky stocking TV program to run tonight?!?