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| I know a lot of fisherman use suckers but does anyone use live bluegill to muskie fish? |
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Location: c.wis | 6/8" gills anda 9/0-10/0 circle hook, money! woorks better when flossed so the hooks just ahead of the fish but tight to the snout of the fish ive never seen a gut hooked fish thata way |
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Location: Antioch, IL | During hard water season we run them on tip ups. Catch a few jigging then put them out on tips up with a down sized homemade quick harness. Catch Pike, muskie and monster largemouth. As stated above check the regulations for you area beforehand. |
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Location: Indiana | What do you mean by flossed? |
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Location: Antioch, IL | I think he means to insert the hook from the outside of the mouth, through the side of the face and back out between the lips so that the barb is sticking out of the fishes mouth like a tongue trying to lick it's nose. (I grew up Southern and when the old timers would say they were "flossing" it meant they were snagging) |
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Location: c.wis | run mono/ or rigging floss through the nose or snout of the gill and tie it off to the shank of the circle hook- so the hook wouldnt be in the bait at all- you tube it .......... it sets the hook out away from the body of the bait and makes it harder to gut/gill hook the esox/ same principal as a lift off rig- the floss breaks and the hooks left in the mouth of the esox |
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Location: c.wis | also if you go to larry dahlbergs hunt for big fish "ask larry" section in the search box type in floss rigging and bang you got tons more detail- if I could draw a pic I would but dahlberg explains it beter- tight lines..................... this is used to rig bait for trolling for saltwater aplications, and works well for trolling large suckers in the fall, even dead ones, because then you can work the rigamortis out of the fish and cut it open and basicly make a through wire hook harness and then just sew up the belly one large hook out the back and a treble out the bottom. rig it with seven strand/ floro- the only trick is to get the balance right so it track true through the water- if you run a sucker behind a trolling squid or some blades you gotta killer lure- |
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| years ago this bluegills-for-bait thing is what got me into musky fishing to begin with. many folks would fish the outflow of a small lake known to hold muskies. the spillway dump-out held everything, walleyes, bass, perch, bluegills, bowfin, trout (that came up from where they were stocked down below) and muskies that came up from the big stream a few miles below that this outflow dumped into. the first day i fished this i was startled many times by the muskies that were shimmying up the concrete outflow in maybe 3-4" of water like salmon! then i caught some small bluegills out of the outflow, lip hooked them on a 2/0 single hook, added maybe a 1 oz slip sinker a couple feet above and simply lowered it down over the high concrete outflow wall, put the clicker on in free-spool and waited. i experienced some interesting things catching them that way that turned out to be VERY consistant at this particuler outflow. often times i would see muskies within inches of the surface just sitting there finning in place in that flowing water. i would ease those live bluegills into the water on the surface to within a couple feet of their noses and although they would cruze up to them to within an inch of their noses, back off and do this maybe 10 times, they would never eat them...EVER! the only time they would eat them is if i let the bluegill / slip sinker go to bottom of the "hole", which was maybe 8' deep, and let them swim around on their own. were those "finning" muskies able to see me / others standing maybe 20' above them or was it the fact that you never saw any of the bluegills (and there were enough of them down in there) swimming freely on there own to the surface like i was presenting the hooked ones to them and the muskies knew that in this "particuler area" that was an "un-natural" thing? another interesting thing i experienced was that they wouldn't touch a bluegill over 3" long in this "area"! i would use many over 3" and up to 10" and learned to just throw them back and hope to catch the smaller ones to put on the hook! next came the swim a tiny bluegill patterned rubber / plastic crankbait in front of their noses and not only did they never touch them, whether it was on the surface or down deep, they NEVER did the nose it / back off / nose it again thing like they at least did with a live one! it almost seemd that when they did the repetative nose it / back off / nose it thing on the live one they were SMELLING it first but still would't eat it because it simply was not in the deeper "comfortable eating area"!...should we be using some sort of scent on our slower moving hardbaits just because? and if that isn't enough, call it being lucky or whatever, back in those early days i used no heavy leaders, simply standard 30 lb mono tied directly to the hook and never had a bite-off even though i was crossing their eyes with hooksets directly above them with maybe 25' of line out! all hooks were left in them on the release by the way and most were hooked within a few inches in past their snouts. these critters are something aren't they! it must be january...  |
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Location: Richfield, MN | If I remember correctly here is MN you cannot catch smaller fish and use them for bait.
There are pros and cons to using fish that you caught for catching other fish.
I myself think you should be able to do this. To me it would ad more fun to fishing if one could do this. But the law in the law. I have seen people do this and when I told them about the laws they basically stated "Nothing is illegal until you get caught"!!!! kinda works for me!!!!! LOL |
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Location: Madison WI | Use them all the time here in Wisconsin where its legal, heck of a lot cheaper then suckers that are running 5+ bucks a pop. It is hit and miss, didn't have any luck on them last year, perch work better. |
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Location: NorthCentral WI | What about those hammer handles? Anyone rig pike caught while musky fishing up on quickset rigs? |
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Location: Seymour, WI | Pike on quick strikes work very well.
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Location: Southern MN | Muddy41 - 1/19/2011 1:17 PM
If I remember correctly here is MN you cannot catch smaller fish and use them for bait.
There are pros and cons to using fish that you caught for catching other fish.
I myself think you should be able to do this. To me it would ad more fun to fishing if one could do this. But the law in the law. I have seen people do this and when I told them about the laws they basically stated "Nothing is illegal until you get caught"!!!! kinda works for me!!!!! LOL
I could be wrong but I haven't seen any indication that it is illegal in MN to catch and use minnows and at least some roughfish for bait; catfish guys use bullheads all the time and I've seen catching bait discussed openly on another MN specific forum. It is illegal to transport from infested waters. Bluegills are illegal in MN period. I just looked through my regulations book and couldn't find anything on it, I hope it isn't illegal as I occasionally catch pike bait from a creek and wouldn't if it's not legal. Hopefully someone else who knows for sure can clarify. |
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