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| Has anyone had a problem with STAY-LOC snap in the size 4.5 breaking, I made a bunch for a guy and he has broken 2 so far.... They are not breaking on the lure end but the line end?? I use the normal knot and 130lb fluor. Yes the guy is not a knob, he is a good stick and I trust his word. He also said he had a buddie break one on a fish in the same area of the snap. I live in Minocqua and got them at Rollies. I have alway used the next size up with no problem. I am thinking maybe was a bad batch? IDK any thoughts? |
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Location: On the water | Use the AHL Super Snap that thing will never break. |
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| I wonder if there isn't a way to test the breaking point? Is there any scale you could attach it to for testing the breaking strength? Of course, one would want to use safety glasses, etc.
You may want to contact Stringease and tell them about the problem. Their internet site is........
http://www.stringease.com/index.html
It isn't much of a site, as it doesn't show the stength pound test of their snaps. Anyway, they do have a "contact us".
The biggest problem I have using the stay loc snap is when I open it........and forget hpw easily it can slip out of the leader........oops....now, I merely wrap some thread around the line end of the snap after attaching it to the leader.
If I ever have a snap break on me, they are history. Good luck.
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Location: Yahara River Chain | I eliminated snaps and use all split rings. Prblem solved. |
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| You can't bend and unbend, and rebend and unbend, etc., etc., hardend metal over and over forever w/o expecting it not to eventually get brittle and break.
I've broken several while putting a new lure on. That's when they seem to go, but I'm sure if they'd reached that critical point that they'd snap under load of a fish. Luckily, I don't catch many fish and am particular about checking my terminal stuff often. I make my own leaders, so its not so expensive for me to change out the snaps, but I'll retire them after the paint gets worn to a certain point.
Honestly, if I fish with a leaders more than prolly 50-75ish hours of hard big bait workin' and changing baits, I change them out. |
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Location: North/Central WI | Yes...I also had a 4.5 break on a fish two weeks ago. It was bought at R&H's as well. Snap was NOT worn or weak. No snaps for me ever again. I am now using Stealth 600 lb solid rings on all of my leaders and a bucher split ring on every bait. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | not a good thing...I have never had a snap break but have heard of 3 so far this year...I know one was a size 5, Nates above and the other I think was a size 5 too... I know I had heard years ago that if you use a snap to a dawg always attach a split ring to a dawg and the snap to that as for whatever reason a snap to the dawg will open up if you don't use a split ring...
I have confidence in the size 5s but now I am questioning the 4.5s I bought.... I only use a snap on my crankbait rods all the rest are split ringed. |
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Location: Tomahawk, WI | Oh great! Just bought a pack of (25) from Rollies and made a bunch of leaders for my trip to LOTW next week. I noticed that they are kinda wierd color almost a greenish tint to them, might be a bad batch. Now did i just waste the 15 bucks they cost me, im thinking YES! |
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Location: Mayville, WI | Broke a couple snaps 6+ years ago & went to split rings on everything. Haven't broken 1 since & not going back.
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Location: Tomahawk, WI | I think im going to cut off the snaps and put a split ring on. I mainly use these smaller snaps for topwater because they are lighter and dont weigh the nose of the bait down. I would be just peeed if i lost some of my topwaters due to snap failure. LOTW is no place to screw around with anything weak. |
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| I lost a fish of a lifetime on a busted stringease snap. If your fishing big fish water nix the snap and go with the welded rings. |
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| I've always used the #5's, because the 4's were just a bit small. Was happy to hear they came out with a 4.5. Just bought a bunch last weekend in fact. For those of you experiencing breakage, are these old snaps with the paint all worn off, or new snaps?
I've never broken a stay-lok, but hearing of several of the 4.5's breaking already this season? That's not good. |
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| I am the guy with the broken snaps. They both broke in the loop where the flouro is tied, not where the baits are being put on and taken off. I would hate to lose a big fish because of this (lost and dead fish). These were the new 4.5 snaps as Al stated.
The solution seems to be solid rings attached with a split ring. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I've never broken a snap, but have had two slit rings fail. What happened was the leader appeared to have begun literally removing itself from the triple ring by working it's way into the spiral, and weakened the ring enough for it to fail; i spotted the issue before losing a fish or lure, but there it was. I use both rings and snaps still, and don't usually freak out and decide all products ever built will break because of a problem with one size, style, and probably production run. I'm sure the manufacturers will address any issues. Please contact them directly. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Could you possibly be fracturing the snap when drawing up the floro??? |
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Location: Madison, WI | Couldnt you put something on the flouro loop that attaches to the snap so that there is essentially no contact with the flouro and the snap, thus the flouro wouldnt work its way into the snap.
Could it be an issue of the flouro rubbing on the snap, causing friction and and a weak spot. How many casts and how much that flouro rubs against the metal snap in the same exact spot over and over given a few weeks fishing has got to add up in a hurry.
Edited by PredLuR 7/9/2010 4:51 PM
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| Loops that are lined with plastic or steel thimbles will prevent this from happening. Marc Thorpe has a video on YouTube explaining how he makes fluoro leaders using this method (moreso to give baits more action). http://huskiemuskie.ca uses the thimble setup. |
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| Thank you for all your feedback, just kind of a weird thing never had a problem before but now I am worried. I am going to go to all solid rings for myself, I have used them for years but I was getting lazy I guess. I thought the snaps have improved with time but go figure I was wrong again... |
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | On two occasions I have had the welded ring on the ball bearing swivel break... these are musky mania solid wire leaders. Is there anything that can be trusted? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Gear occasionally fails, sometimes, doesn't matter who builds it.
I'm not going to quit using snaps. I will take care how they are attached to my leaders, and I will replace a snap that looks odd or stressed.
Solid rings can and will fail.
So can split rings.
I use high quality snaps and split rings, best I can do.
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Location: lansing, il | muskie-addict - 7/9/2010 7:50 AM
You can't bend and unbend, and rebend and unbend, etc., etc., hardend metal over and over forever w/o expecting it not to eventually get brittle and break.
Very true statement.. You should always pay close attention to a snap and when you feel it starting to get easier to oen and close, its time to change it out. They do not last forever and how long they will last depends on how much of a bait changer you are.
If anyone has had an issue with the size 4.5 snaps breaking on OUR leaders from Stealth Tackle ONLY, please conact me direct via email (listed below) so we can address the issue.
Thank You,
John Bette
[email protected]
Edited by muskihntr 7/10/2010 10:00 AM
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Location: Burlington, WI | I tie all of my own leaders now with fluorocarbon and have gone completely away from snaps. As mentioned before that that metal being bent back and forth will weaken it and it will eventually break. I now use the opti tackle wind on snap (I guess you would call it a snap). The lure winds on instead of bending metal unsnapping and snapping to put a lure on. There is just a small amount of bend when putting the lure on. I haven't had any failures and I don't suspect I will. |
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| muskihntr - 7/10/2010 8:46 AM
muskie-addict - 7/9/2010 7:50 AM
You can't bend and unbend, and rebend and unbend, etc., etc., hardend metal over and over forever w/o expecting it not to eventually get brittle and break.
Very true statement.. You should always pay close attention to a snap and when you feel it starting to get easier to oen and close, its time to change it out. They do not last forever.
If anyone has had an issue with the size 4.5 snaps breaking on OUR leaders from Stealth Tackle ONLY, please conact me direct via email (listed below ) so we can address the issue.
Thank You,
John Bette
[email protected]
This is why I only buy Stealth leaders. John provides a very high quality product and backs it up with outstanding customer service. |
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Location: Central WI | I went to split rings last year. I've been using #5 Sampo ball bearing swivels and had one of those break on me last year. The small part that one of the welded rings goes through on the swivel broke....all I had was a solid welded ring on the end of my line as I sat there trying to figure out what happened. I think they are rated at 200#'s?? Fish swim away with a Suick in it's mouth. I don't think it matters what you use, you can still have something break. |
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| SOME of you do not understand, the snaps arent breaking on the lure side... I understand the when you open and close something it will weaken. The SNAPS are breaking on the side you would tie your leader material to. I am not here to bash anyone who makes WHATEVER I just wanted some idea what might be going on. To see if it was just me or have others had the same problem... I fish to let these things go and fight another day, not sink them to the bottom with a 20 dollar lure in there mouth.
Alan W. Wirt
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Location: lansing, il | Best way to get answers, or to the bottom of a problem, or help others in the long run would be to contact the manufacturer so they can address the problem. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | What muskihntr said. I understand just fine as do most here, and I suggested you contact the manufacturer. That's the proper path to resolution, and has been from the start.
The heads up there may be a problem with this particular snap is appreciated. Let us know what the manufacturer says.
By the way, no manufacturer WANTS problems with their products, and most will respond quickly and correct the situation. DID you call them yet? |
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| Does anyone else find that location where the break is happening to be particularly odd? If I had four guesses as to where one of those stringease snaps would fail, where fluoro is tied on would be my last choice.
Weird. |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | I have ruffly 100 FC leaders in our various boats going into the season. All of these have snaps on them. Most of them are stay locs. But all my guys know that if you are putting on a bait and the snap feels at all weird cut the line and throw it all into the bag. At the end of the year I have approx. 20 new leaders to make. So far no one has reported a lost bait or fish because of the snap giving way. Many of the wire & cable leaders also have snaps but most are split ringed. There's allot of force into the equipment, all the way from the bait to the arms holding the rod if you are rippin' a jerk or really hammering a twitch bait. I personally think the superlines accent all of that too. I use them but at my age I notice the difference big time. I would be interested in any infro on a "known" to be bad batch of snaps. But I have not experienced anything. I last purchased but do not have in service stay loc's from this last winter. |
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Location: Seymour, WI | Had a 4.5 size stay loc break this wk end as well.
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Location: Contrarian Island | has anyone contacted Stay Loc...to me this is a very big concern from the # of people chiming in here with breakage issues...makes me VERY leary of using the 4.5s I have....
if anyone hears anything from Stay loc please post it here. |
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| I think we need to put this in perspective. Having reread all of the postings, there seems to be just one person who has had a couple of snaps break at the leader end. All of the other breakages are at the lure end which appears to be normal wear and tear from opening and closing the snap. I don't think this is a major reason for concern, but I would agree that the circumstances of the problem should be brought to the attention of String-Ease.
I have been using string ease snaps on my leaders for years and change them out on a regular basis. So far not a single failure. Because I use a crimped loop, with a loop protector, on 150 lb fluoro, I can change the snap without cutting the leader. The leader lasts the season but I may go through 3 or 4 snaps.
Bill
huskiemuskie.ca |
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Location: lansing, il | Ive been thru aprox. 2000 of the 4.5 snaps to date on our leaders. I have had nobody contact me direct with a snap failure of any size. I used the 4.5s most of the spring with no issues. I made Bernard of Stringease aware of this thread last week. As of the day when we spoke he has had nobody contact him direct with any problems, and at that time it was the first he had heard of any issue. I am sure he would like to get the broken snaps back to inspect, sooooooooo once again..........do we really need to say what needs to be done?????????
http://www.stringease.com/
Edited by muskihntr 7/14/2010 3:07 PM
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| One more thing, there are String-ease knock-offs out there. Be careful that you are buying the genuine snap. One thing to look for is that some of the knock-offs are built backwards. I have several hundred snaps in my basement, that I will not use because I went for what I thought was a great deal.
String-ease are the best on the market, don't you be fooled into buying something that is second rate.
Bill
huskiemuskie.ca |
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| I just got off he phone with Bernard from Stringease and he asked me to post a question? HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE HAD A #4.5 SNAP BREAK? He is trying to back track to see what the problem is. The breaks we are looking for are coming on the leader side, Not the side that opens and closes. Please post if you have had such a failure. Thank you |
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