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| This was brought up in the tackle and equipment section but I thought it was an important warning for all of us that spend a lot of time on the water.
It turns out that the majority of commercially available over the counter sunblocks are either ineffective or contain a synthetic estrogen ingredient that actually INCREASES the risk of certain types of skin cancer. In addition, the same chemical has been linked to birth defects!
Link: http://www.aolnews.com/health/article/study-many-sunscreens-may-be-...
The highest rated sunscreens are from Badger and a few others. There is a link to the rating website embedded in the news article. If your are going to be outside casting on the water, you best be informed on what is the best sun protection.
Personally, I have had a small patch of skin cancer taken off me so I have to be extra careful. It is a cumulative exposure problem. Years of sun exposure builds up like leaving toast in the toaster for too long. Eventually you are going to get burned so to speak. That is why you need to make sure your kids are properly protected when they are outdoors.
I am switching to Badger. It has to be rubbed in to make it less "white" on the skin, but it is the number 1 rated product according to this independent study. However, because of its ingredients keep it away from open cuts or sores. (I will also add that I have no connection in any fashion to any of these products or companies.)
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http://www.aolnews.com/health/article/study-many-sunscreens-may-be-...
http://www.ewg.org/2010sunscreen/
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Location: New Hope MN | Steve Jonesi - 5/25/2010 12:48 PM
The FDA is completely useless. Just listen to all the "potential" side effects from all the drugs advertised on TV and elsewhere. Ya just gotta laugh.
I read a study one time that listed the amount of deaths associated with the delay in FDA approving a drug. scary stuff. More people die because of the delay than bad drugs are caught by the FDA. How's that for safety? |
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| Actually, the EWG is completely useless. They’re a fringe group from CA that knows very little but professes to know a lot. They base none of their findings on science. They definitely play to the ‘uninformed’ consumer. The mentioned findings of the FDA need to be taken with a grain of salt. Yup, Vitamin A might cause cancer….when lab animals are exposed to 800X the normal dosage. Just about anything you get exposed to at an exaggerated dosage will cause cancer. Vitamin A in sunscreens is in there at such a small level, it is hardly detectable. Usually about 50ppm in a typical formulation. I work in the industry and have developed sunscreens and I get emails all the time from concerned friends, coworkers, marketing all freaked out when EWG launches some new findings. I have to keep from laughing most of the time as most of it is a complete misrepresentation of the truth. |
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| The 7 year efficacy requirement for new drugs imposed by the FDA goes back to the Thelidomide disaster in the 1960's. Europe approved its use quickly and ended up with massive numbers of birth defects. The US was cautious and avoided approval and use in this country.
Let's not get off-topic entirely. The main point is to use a good, safe and effective sunscreen when we are roasting ourselves in years to come.
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So we have an anon poster working in the sunscreen industry claiming that the study is bull.
Who to believe?
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| One other ting I might add is to save your$$ and don’t buy anything over SPF 50, its just a waste of money. Efficacy testing for anything over 50 (really SPF 30 is just as good as the 50 from an efficacy standpoint) basically shows you get a VERY small amount of additional protection. You might get 97-98% protection with an SPF 30-50 while you could get up to 98.5-99% protection with an SPF 100. And honestly, that extra 1-1.5% of protection especially won’t do you any good if you’re not applying enough sunscreen to begin with or if you’re not reapplying it every couple of hours.
The key to any sunscreen really is first to apply enough to begin with and then to reapply often. Simple as that. Heck, I formulate product for myself that I take on the boat & everywhere else in the sun and I don't even bother formulating anything over SPF 50. |
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| Guest, what about the charges about oxybenzone, one of the common ingredients. This is reported to be a synthetic estrogen that can cause problems including birth defects. Any help on that ingredient?
I am not dismissing your info becuase you are a guest. I am truly interested in the topic and would appreciate any info you could share.
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| I did google oxybenzone. I found this information on WebMD that seems to give a balanced viewpoint:
"Some doctors and medical organizations disagree. “I recommend sunscreens with oxybenzone whole-heartedly,” says Kate Puttgen, MD, a pediatric dermatologist at Johns Hopkins Children’s Center in Baltimore. “I haven’t seen any data that suggest the miniscule amount of absorption causes any risks.” The American Academy of Dermatology continues to recommend sunscreens with oxybenzone.
If you're worried about chemical exposure, there is some common ground: both sides agree that titanium dioxide and zinc oxide sunscreens are safe and effective. They’re also ideal for young children and people with sensitive skin. Although these sunscreens used to have a reputation for leaving a chalky film, new formulations are micronized so that they’re barely visible.
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The Badger product mentioned up-thread would seem to satisfy both camps, as it has excellent protection and no oxybenzone. Quite frankly I am not so concerned about the oxy for me as we are done having kids, but would worry about build up exposure for my son.
Good discussion.
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| There is information and misinformation on the web regarding oxybenzone. As you probably have seen, EWG and other organic/holistic groups are usually associated with these reports. What you posted previously is true, the inorganics are completely safe to a point. Ti02, Zinc Oxide work to reflect or scatter the rays while the other organic chemicals undergo a chemical change to ‘absorb’ the rays. The inorganics have come a long way from a formulation standpoint as the big turn off was the white residue left behind on the skin. One other note which I’m sure you’ll probably come across on the web is the last few years have seen extensive development of nano sized inorganics. Just mention the word ‘nano’ and their body and people freak out…. |
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| i'll take the _potential_ risk posed by some miniscule amount of an obscure chemical in my sunscreen over the _definite_ risk of skin cancer from sunburn.
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| Lambeau, you can also use a sunscreen product that all the experts agree is safe and effective.
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Location: Ogden, Ut | Titanium dioxide, huh? I wonder if I get enough titanium in me, will I easily bend back to my old shape?
All kidding aside, I'm a sunscreen guy; already had enough small chunks burned/frozen off to make me sit up and take notice. Also, living at altitude makes you more aware of how little time it takes to get a damaging burn. Any sunscreen is probably better than no sunscreen; use what you're comfortable with, but at least use something.
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Location: Eau Claire | lambeau - 5/25/2010 2:43 PM
i'll take the _potential_ risk posed by some miniscule amount of an obscure chemical in my sunscreen over the _definite_ risk of skin cancer from sunburn.
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So I just bought 3 bottles of Coppertone for my family.
Couple for the wife and me and a kids formula.
Is this stuff really not safe? How do I know if the findings in this article are accurate or not?
That badger stuff is pretty spendy, but if the other doesn't work than I guess there isn't much choice.
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| John, it all works, but the Badger stuff (and others) is universally regarded as safe and effective. I wouldn't sweat it. Use what you have and then buy the other stuff when you are out.
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Location: APPLETON, WI | Wow... very interesting. |
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | Never have used sunscreen and see no use for it personaly for myself. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Slamr, that's...Outstanding. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | sworrall - 5/25/2010 10:03 PM
Slamr, that's...Outstanding.
You're old, I figure you can appreciate ramblings such as that video/audio. |
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| How's that spray on stuff supposed to be? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Slamr, that's a fact. You might notice, as I age...so do you. The wonder of ratio. |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | Mr Musky - 5/25/2010 10:22 PM How's that spray on stuff supposed to be? I actually bought a can of the aerosol stuff last week... I was out all day last Saturday and Sunday hiking and it seemed to do the trick. I've got SPF50 but it looks like there was an SPF30 version available, as well. My skin didn't feel greasy or oily either like it will after applying most lotions... so in that respect, it was really nice. |
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| I can't give any sort of expert testimony on the effects of estrogen in sunblock, but my breasts do seem to be larger in the summer. I've also noticed that I seem to cry more easily over a lost fish. Marty Forman |
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Location: Money, PA | Junkman - 5/26/2010 7:13 AM
I can't give any sort of expert testimony on the effects of estrogen in sunblock, but my breasts do seem to be larger in the summer. I've also noticed that I seem to cry more easily over a lost fish. Marty Forman
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Location: Alexandria, Minnesota | The Man boobs from Sun block, Now that is funny. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | the all terrain sunblock mentioned in the report isn't crazy expensive...$10 for a 3.5 oz tube...that is more $$ than say coppertone but for as much as musky guys are out in the sun imo it's better to spend a few extra bucks on stuff that could just be better for us....it's funny how frugal musky guys can be...we go blow $30 on a piece of soft plastic that could likely be junk after one fish but 11 for sunscreen and we get all bent out of shape....so we spend 20 bucks on sunscreen a yr instead of 10....better to be safe than sorry in this case imo....sun damage from the sun is real...anyone not using it on their face is going to look realllly old at a young age ... 
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Location: New Hope MN | Junkman - 5/26/2010 7:13 AM
I can't give any sort of expert testimony on the effects of estrogen in sunblock, but my breasts do seem to be larger in the summer. I've also noticed that I seem to cry more easily over a lost fish. Marty Forman
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| anyone not using it on their face is going to look realllly old at a young age...
protect your scalp! making sure there's no big holes in the top of your hat helps.
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | lambeau - 5/27/2010 3:00 PM
anyone not using it on their face is going to look realllly old at a young age...
protect your scalp! making sure there's no big holes in the top of your hat helps.
How else would someone get their blond highlights!
I agree with Brad's comments. It's not a matter of IF you will get cancer if you are in the sun all the time and don't use sunscreen, but it's a matter of WHEN. Proven fact the UV from the sun is just plain bad for you. All for what...to save a few dollars each year on sunscreen or because it's not cool to put it on. Look at those that fake bake that end up getting cancer as a result.
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| As you can imagine, this article has gotten quite a bit of attention on golf forums, too. There's a couple pharmacists posting the article is basically bunk on one forum.
I wear a lot of sun screen, but my boobs are big year round. I'm blaming pizza.
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Location: Oregon | If you are hiding from the sun, be sure you are supplementing with Vitamin D. For those living in northern climates in particular, we need to be sure to get some sun and supplement with Vitamin D during the times when we cannot.
There is a ton of information out now on the importance of Vitamin D........many consider Vit D. the most impt supplement you can take. Over 200 million Americans are thought to be deffecient.
Here is a couple articles on the subject:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7379094/Vitamin-D-trig...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/4788003/Lack-of-sunshi...
youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--NqqB2nhBE&feature=player_embedded#
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| nice post and helpful, just started realizing all sunblock is not created equal. did a little research and ordered some blue lizzard SPF 30 sensitive skin. supposed to be good w/ no chemicals. 10 OZ $30 |
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| Cisco Kids response is : I agree with Brad's comments. It's not a matter of IF you will get cancer if you are in the sun all the time and don't use sunscreen, but it's a matter of WHEN. Proven fact the UV from the sun is just plain bad for you. All for what...to save a few dollars each year on sunscreen or because it's not cool to put it on. Look at those that fake bake that end up getting cancer as a result.
Its actually a proven fact that the closer to the equator you are the less likely you'll be diagnosed with all types of cancer because of those life giving uv rays your talking about. Tanning beds are actually safer because its a controlled time bake unlike us fishing.
On the other hand your right on the burning thing..you burn = you damage your skin. And damaged skin may lead to skin cancer-not will lead to skin cancer.
So it would make sense to get a moderate amount of sun then put on sunscreen.
"Smoking has decreased dramatically over the last 50 years yet the rate of lung cancer is still on the rise" interesting
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Location: Money, PA | CiscoKid - 5/27/2010 3:10 PM
lambeau - 5/27/2010 3:00 PM
anyone not using it on their face is going to look realllly old at a young age...
protect your scalp! making sure there's no big holes in the top of your hat helps.
How else would someone get their blond highlights!
I agree with Brad's comments. It's not a matter of IF you will get cancer if you are in the sun all the time and don't use sunscreen, but it's a matter of WHEN. Proven fact the UV from the sun is just plain bad for you. All for what...to save a few dollars each year on sunscreen or because it's not cool to put it on. Look at those that fake bake that end up getting cancer as a result.
UV rays from the sun are not "just plain bad for you"....UV rays from the sun are actually essential to well being and our health...THATS a proven fact! Its OVEREXPOSURE that is the key word here. I believe ANYTHING in excess, is not good for you. Except for one thing that is, but we can't talk about it in here ...LOL
~ Health Benefits From the Sun
Summer is just around the corner. It is time to get out in the sun and enjoy the short time that we have.
Montrealers have so little sunshine, half the year we do not get enough sunshine in our northern climate, Yet, we still need sun to remain healthy and avoid various diseases. Shutting one's self up in the house all year long is not healthy nor wise.
Why do we need the sun to remain healthy?
Vitamin D
The main source of vitamin D is generated from the sun. We can get Vitamin D from some foods, but not in the levels needed to maintain good health. We need the sun's ultraviolet rays to replenish our bodies with this remarkable vitamin.
Vitamin D is responsible for maintaining and strengthening strong bones. Children who suffer from a Vitamin D deficiency are at risk for rickets, a disease that causes bowed legs and horrendous deformities due to the fact that bones are brittle and cannot support the weight of the body. The bones will then sag or bow.
Adults are not exempt from bones problems either, when they are lacking sufficient amounts of vitamin D within the body. Older women especially, can be at risk for osteoporosis. Osteoporosis is a degenerate disease that affects bone density and causes the bones to become brittle; hence, placing older women at risk for hip injuries and more.
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Yep well aware of the sun being good for Vit. D. You can also still wear sunscreen and get UV as it doesn’t block all the UV, and what it blocks is only for some time.
Not worth arguing about.
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Location: The desert | johnson - 6/2/2010 3:21 PM
I wouldn't call it arguing, more like educating!
peace out
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | That's because you already know everything Mike!
How about adults should get between 5000-10,000 IU's of Vitamin D a day to be "healthy". That equates to 20-30 minutes of sun exposure to the skin.
So those whom mentioned getting sun is good is correct. So sit in the sun during the midday for your half hour to get your Vit. D3, and then put on the sunscreen!
I will take back what I mentioned on the tanning beds, but that is only if a “burn” doesn’t occur. Whenever a “burn” happens the positives are negated by the negatives.
Reference: http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/
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Location: The desert | CiscoKid - 6/3/2010 9:49 AM
That's because you already know everything Mike!
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Sunblock Study Released