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Location: pewaukee, wi | Hey everyone, my name is shawn. I am in a sociology class in college right now, and i have to write a paper on a subject that i know very well. I picked muskie fishing, and the purpose of this paper is to go over the things that ordinary people over look when they view the subject and sport of muskie fishing.
I sit down and look at the things we have everytime we go out on the lake. Things as small as the type of material the lure is made out of, to the kinds of things you wear to better your chances of catching a fish.
Basically, what are things that we have in our possesion that make it easier to catch these great fish.
I have about a page full of things i wrote down, but am interested to see what some other people think.
Some of the things i have come up with are:
Lures: Wood, plastic, variety of colors, sharpness of hooks, size of hooks
Rod/reel: strength of the line/leaders, snaps, swivels, durability.
These are a few things, but really, sit down and take a look at what things are over looked when we go out muskie fishing.
Again, just curious to see what everyone has to say.
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Location: St. Louis, MO., Marco Is., FL, Nestor Falls, ON | Good release tools, good first aid kit, maps, spares of all critical items. |
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Location: Medford, WI | Many, many things. Not sure what the exact purpose is (things we, as fishermen overlook or things that the common person (may be non-fisherman) overlook.
Regardless, the braided lines we use, gears in our reels, nets, etc. soooo many things.
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Location: pewaukee, wi | Yea, like i said, i have a full page full of things, i am just curious to see if other have different things i didnt come up with. |
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Location: Hopefully on the water | Simply the freedom to be able to go out and fish when ever we can. Way too often over looked IMO. |
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Location: Algonquin, ILL | Seeing this is for a sociology class the one thing you can not omit even though it's not really tangeble is the sharing of info with others be it in person or a web site such as this. This web site and others with it's diversity of members is a great source of knowledge.
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Location: Yahara River Chain | I have three things.
1) Camera as you don't know when you'll lose your memory
Crap, I forgot what the other two are. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | The fact that we have a muskie fishery worth fishing. The generations before us faced an up hill battle to create the resource that we currently are enjoying. Without their work and transference of a conservation mentality towards muskies many of us would never have found the sport. |
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | Well, when I go down to the local river and watch people hand cast a hook and large sinker with the line wrapped around a stick I feel very lucky to be holding a muskie rod/reel in my hands. |
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Location: Lake of The Woods | The most important thing i think is the resource itself, a few times a year i like to pull into a area and shut down motor and tunes to take it all in for a few minutes. Another important factor would be a gps, it has increased our learnin curve tremendously. |
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| That special fishing buddy. Be it a spouse, parent, child or in my case, brother. |
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | Jaw spreader, split ring pliers, hook file, split rings, extra blades... |
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Location: Illinois | Emergency roll of toilet paper? It keeps you on the water, thus increasing your odds of hooking a musky. |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | A good first aid kit! |
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Location: pewaukee, wi | muskellunged - 4/26/2010 3:00 PM
Emergency roll of toilet paper? It keeps you on the water, thus increasing your odds of hooking a musky.
lol, so true! |
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| I take for granted the fact that we have a first class muskie fishery right here in the twin cities and I can also order a pizza to the ramp in less then 30 minutes |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | JohnMD nailed it, IMO. |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | If making it legal makes it easier...maybe a fishing license.
S. |
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Location: Nordeast Minneapolis | Why have I never thought of having a pizza delivered to the landing???? Genius! |
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | TP for the BH....LOL...yes, gotta' have that. |
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| actually alot wont deliver to a landing for fear of it being an ambush/robbery but still afew around,,,take it from me I have alot of pizza experience 
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Location: Pelican Rapids, MN | Why we fish - many times people forget that - especially when they get caught up in stats and what and what doesn't count. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | If I were to wager a thought on this, I would say what other ordinary people overlook about muskies and muskie fisherman is the research showing muskies and other sought after species can and do successfully coexist in the same waters.
Steve
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | When fishing long Hrs.(12-15hrs.) you must stay mentaly strong and be ready for something to happen at any time, staying positive is a must !
There is nothing worst than fishing a long day with someone with a negitive attatude, and complaining about everything.
I won't fish with you again, if your this type of person........
Do you homework before you hit the water, and have some kind of a mental gameplan to put you on the right spots at the right times .
Be in good shape in order to run the course (long days will drain you FAST,.... iF your outta shape.)
Have FUN...... In all your pursuits.
Jerome |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | D.P.
Edited by Top H2O 4/26/2010 9:32 PM
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Location: In a shack in the woods | Parliament lights and a bic for after that fish comes unbuttoned. Lots of choice words to relieve some more stress. |
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Location: Canada | A good fishing partner. One that knows what you are throwing and in sync with your cast or you in sync with his/hers. Knowing what lure you're grabbing next and know what lure you partner has in mind when he/she reaches into the tackle box. From play by plays with follow ups and right to the grand finally where one of you is netting the others fish you both have to co-exist together almost as one.
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| That's an odd question, and some of the answers here are things I take for granted.
More than anything? I take for granted the knowledge and insight that I have gained from fishing with others. Some have been friends, some I hardly know, some are guides who have become friends, some I've lost touch with. But I have learned something from every single one of them. I've gained insight that would take years and years to aquire on my own. You can read magazines and watch TV shows, listen to seminars, go to club meetings, read and participate in internet forums, all of which I have done. But being out there fishing with someone who has years or even decades more experience than you, and learning from them? That will put you light years ahead of anywhere you could get on your own. Whether it's working lures, learning structure, boat control, lure selection, baitfish movements, weather patterns, or just simply being put on fish, you learn from those around you. Just like anything else, the best way to learn is from people who know. Now that I think about it? Taken for granted? I've never even THANKED most of them. Soo... For those who have made me the muskie angler I am today, (in no particular order) THANK YOU. The next muskie I catch will be largely in part to the lessons I have learned from these folks:
Scotty Yaeger
Scott Munford
Steve Herbeck
Mike Mireault
Cal Ritchie
Andy Bouchard
Darcy Orchard
Travis Cunningham
Howie Meyer
Travis Richardson
Bruce Shumway
Steve Worrall
Andrew Golden
Troy Schoonover
Cory Painter
Mike Mosseau
Mike Kanaval
Steve Ruhmann
Brad Nelson
Krishna Swamy
Mike Moschell
Laurie O'Hara
Harry Holtzer
Mike Zaborowksi
John Deutinger
Ren Petrauskas
Dave Wrobel
I'm sure I've missed a few..
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| cowboy,
Good call on the TP! wipeing with braid really hurts!!
Who the hell are the people listed? never heard of them!
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| guest - 4/26/2010 10:18 PM
cowboy,
Good call on the TP! wiping with braid really hurts!!
Who the hell are the people listed? never heard of them!
That's why you're still wiping with braid! |
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| That's why you're still wiping with braid!
LOL Jeff |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Guest,
You need to get out of the Valley a little. |
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Location: Cedarburg, Wisconsin | The things I see taken for granted are a little bigger in size. When you want to go fishing you take for granted that your tow vehicle will get you there and back, that your boat motors will work, that your electronic gadgets will work, and that the boat launch will be useable. Worse than that is when you are on vacation you take for granted that you can fish every day just because you are there, not realizing that the weather can destroy your plans in a heartbeat. Above all, when you make fishing plans for the next day you take for granted that you will still be alive to enjoy it. |
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| Cool assignment - (many good answers have already been posted) I will add
Lucky hat or visor
can of Kodiak
good shoes that support an aging back
first aide kit
H2o - or sports drink
a good partner
the ability to reflect and appreciate
an understanding wife or girlfriend |
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Location: Money, PA | Cannot say enough about quality release tools and a quality routine to put them to good use!
-16" needle nose pliers
-quality net (Beackman, Frabill) rubber coated/hook free
-Boga Grip with handle extension
-long handled bolt cutters
-Sharp Gaff....J/K!!!
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Equipment taken for granted by fisherman...
The reel: As part of any mechanical item, proper maintenance is ESSENTIAL to ensuring everything works all the time, but even more so when dealing with a fish. Locked up drags (or loss of drag), worm drive and pawl issues, worn gears, etc, all can easily be neglected over time just because they are in working at the time. Build-up of gunk in the corners of the worm drive or on the edges where the level wind goes across can destroy a pawl and worm drive.
Also neglected and taken for granted: Waters that have not been infested by an invasive species of some sort. Over time, we seem to be getting more and more lakes, rivers, etc. that are infested by some weed, cray fish, fish, etc. The lack of paying attention to ones trailer and boat, dumping all water, etc spreads these...when taken for granted, we run a huge risk of more infestation.
Steve
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| Since many of you have come by this sport in the last few years and think the muskie world has always been this way, think about what it may have been like for someone trying to learn to muskie fish thirty years ago. The information available today is mind blowing! What would your knowledge base be without Musky Hunter Magazine and their website, Muskie First, MHTV, Keyes Outdoors, Fishing With Joe Butcher, and all the online chats, muskie sport shows, books and DVD's? Wondering how to fish a Bulldawg? Back then you figured it out on your own. Today you can read, watch or ask online. Today's information is definitely taken for granted. |
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Muskie fishing is one of the fastest growing segments of fishing in MN for sure.
The biggest thing taken for granted is the fishery itself.
What we have now isn't what it used to be because of C&R and hard work from people in the past.
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Location: Home of the 2016 World Series Champion Cubs | esoxaddict - 4/26/2010
" I'veThe next muskie I catch will be largely in part to the lessons I have learned from these folks:
Scotty Yaeger
Scott Munford
Steve Herbeck
Mike Mireault
Bruce Shumway
Steve Worrall
Andrew Golden
Troy Schoonover
Cory Painter........."
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Andrew Golden??????????????
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Location: Home of the 2016 World Series Champion Cubs | Taken for granteds.....
How many Muskie lakes didn't even have muskies in them 50 years ago?
How many Muskie lakes didn't even exist 50 years ago? (ie resivoirs such as Shelbyville, Kinkaid, Shabbona,etc.) they were just creeks back then. How did they become Muskie lakes??????
Karl
Andrew Golden???????
Edited by KARLOUTDOORS 4/27/2010 5:45 PM
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| twells - 4/26/2010 2:27 PM
Simply the freedom to be able to go out and fish when ever we can. Way too often over looked IMO.
Completely agree with this statement. That, and Nature are two things that EVERYONE takes for granted. IMHO this would be a subject that I could write dozens of pages on, and I'm sure you can find agreeing material and sources everywhere. Good Luck. |
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| KARLOUTDOORS - 4/27/2010 4:52 PM
esoxaddict - 4/26/2010
" I'veThe next muskie I catch will be largely in part to the lessons I have learned from these folks:
Scotty Yaeger
Scott Munford
Steve Herbeck
Mike Mireault
Bruce Shumway
Steve Worrall
Andrew Golden
Troy Schoonover
Cory Painter........."
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Andrew Golden??????????????
Learned a few things from Andrew:
1. When its 95 degrees, the fishing sucks, and there are recreational boaters everywhere you may as well go eat. You can fish better when you aren't hungry, hot, and tired.
2. There is someone out there who hates people even more than I do. I can fish much more effectively now. It's like a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders!
3. It really IS perfectly acceptable to yell at, swear at, and even threaten other boaters with acts of violence. I am far less angry knowing that it's okay to be angry, and therefore I fish better
4. You can cover more water trolling, and you get to sit down, and even eat while you are doing it.
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Location: Home of the 2016 World Series Champion Cubs | Ohhhhhhh "That" Andrew Golden. Sure now it makes sense.
Karl |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | Well looks like most things are covered in this thread except one that comes to mind. Anticipation, this is the great blanket that covers all males prior to a BIG Fish Trip. You can justify all the things you have wanted all at once! Plus your wife WILL understand! This is why my grandson lays awake with thoughts of big fish and great battles the night before we are going out. This is why my guide clients go from once a month contact to daily or maybe multiple times in a day just prior to coming. This is why we look forward to the Musky Shop catalog! I could go on & on but you get the idea. One last one, is there anything finer than the aniticipation you have when that new bait finally arrives! Anticipation, the industry runs on it. |
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| Perhaps more than anything is the sensual experiences that fisherman and non-fisherman alike seem to overlook. The sound of the waves lapping the side of the boat, the smell of campfire as evening approaches, the call of the loon in the early morning hours, the sound a rod makes in a figure "8," the feel of boat spray on the face in early November - and so on. These moments on and off the lake are often overlooked but make for a very satisfying existence.
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| solson20 - 4/26/2010 1:02 PM
...the purpose of this paper is to go over the things that ordinary people over look when they view the subject and sport of muskie fishing.
If I were to answer this part of the question, I'd say the amount of dedication, patience and optimism one must possess to succeed in this hobby. Of course, a little luck helps too! |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | That brought another thought up. I still run an EFI, and the smell of that baby when you fire her up and back off the trailer the first time in the spring! Ah...it's like that first smell of the shotgun blast on a cold fall morning! |
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| a job to make cash to buy all the things we use to chase this great speciman of a fish. |
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Location: God's Country......USA..... Western Wisconsin | I think one of the biggest things taken for granted is just the overall preperation and anticipation of Muskie fishing or just fishing of any kind. I was spooling up jig rods and spinning rods this morning for the opener in WI this weekend. Before I knew it 12 rods and reels had new line on them. OMG there is still a whole pile to do and all the Muskie rods to look at. This is just LINE....The preperation that some of us go through is mind boggling. |
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Location: Houlton, WI | Using your electronics is a huge part. |
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Location: Alexandria, Minnesota | Gps Units....Took my new boat out today for the first time and my GPS did not work. It really sucked because I was on a lake that I do not know very well. |
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| Being serious for a moment...
Whenever I fish a new lake I like to go into it knowing a bit of history. Is it stocked? When? How many? By whom? Is there natural reproduction? When/How were muskies introduced? What has to happen to sustain it?
Sometimes we forget to appreciate that the fish are even there to begin with and why. It's easy to forget how much work and time went into that, and how little the people who made ann are still making that happen really get for their efforts. |
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Location: Janesville | Family! To have a great wife that lets you go musky fishing a offen as I do. And the great many friends that a person has to fish with and have a great time catching musky and other fish. The smile on peoples face when they boat a musky is priceless and the kids noless. |
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Location: Uxbridge Ontario | I personally get comfortable with certain baits on certain bodies of water and have a hard time "thinking outside the box" when conditions are tough or the baits are not producing. I may switch lures, but its is more back and forth between a few. I think its a comfort thing. This is one of the things I am going to have to work on to get better... Time permitting of coarse.
Can be viewed as comfort vs. confidence As muskie fisherman, we all know the importance of confidence in location, presentation and self. |
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The "taken for granteds"