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| I think i might have tennis elbow/muskie elbow |
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Location: where the fish are... | i tape my wrists from time to time, seems to help. also twist the rod on your release when you cast, alot less strain on your wrists which can cause those tendons to hurt. |
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| I had a version of that. It was on the outside of both elbows. Basically, you have to stop whatever you are doing that caused the problem. I got it from laying 12" block, and it hurt for quite some time. Eventually, it healed, but it took over a year to really heal itself. You can get those bands that tie around the area to alleviate some of the pain, but since they constrict the bloodflow, it suposedly takes longer for the injury to heal. Also, I'm pretty sure that area is weak now, so you really have to make a lifestyle change. You got it from fishing? |
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Location: New Berlin,Wisconsin,53151 | Try a arm band called the "bandit" it puts pressure on a the area that is inflamed and will give you some relief. Take Ib with it help reduce the pain and swelling.
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Location: North East PA , 20 mins from Chautauqua | Go down to the local drug store and buy one of those straps that wrap around your forearm those really do help . Then go to the next aisle and buy a bottle of advil and a bottle of alieve . I would also try fine tuning your casting so they are more mechanical fulcrum type casts sloppy cast will just tear it up more . you might also try using the foregrip on the rod ?
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Location: Ogden, Ut | See a doctor, get it diagnosed and then follow his/her instructions. Any info on here, no matter how well meaning, might be right or might be wrong just as easily. If there's a doctor that frequents these board, even they wouldn't try to diagnose your symptoms over a message board. I've had tendinitis, it's no fun and I'm glad I went to the Doc. to get it taken care of.
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Location: Smith Creek | If it is Tennis Elbow, my physical therapist recommended R.I.C.E. Rest, Ibuprofen, compression, elevate. I can also mean ice, but that's seldom possible when fishing. Tendonitis is an inflammation so any non prescription anti-inflammatory that doesn't mess with your guts is effective. |
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| I'm not a doctor in real life, but I play one on Muskiefirst. |
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Location: Pickering, ON | Like sorenson said, go see a doctor.
If it is tendonitis, lateral epicondylitis, or the like, think about other life causes too.
I ended up with bilateral tenosynovitis in my forearms. The problem was not muskie fishing, which I do on weekends for 6 months a year. Rather, I sit at a desk all day, 5 days a week, and was spending almost all of that time leaning on my elbows and forearms - either on the desk or on the arms of the chair. I got rid of my arm rests and stopped leaning as much as I could, and while not 100% yet, I'm way better. |
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Location: Apple Valley | Have you tried taking some fish oil supplements? The last 3 years I got tennis elbow. Last year I got tennis elbow again and I
was told to try fish oil. Started using the fish oil and my tennis elbow went away. I also work out 6 days a week and my joint pain went away.
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| >>I'm not a doctor in real life, but I play one on Muskiefirst.<< LOL! We're ALL make-believe doctors, weathermen, and psychologists here. Some of us are even 'ishing counselors'. :) But we do draw the line at giving relationship advice! I've had the tennis elbow problem for years. If you go to a real doctor, you're going to get pretty standard advise on the first visit: take some anti-inflammatory meds (Advil), and use the elastic armband on your forearm below the offending elbow. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | sell all fishing gear for 5% of what you paid for it.....that will cure the sore elbow problem |
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Location: Freedom, WI | Had it off and on for years and most of this advice is what a doctor will tell you. Find the spot that the pain emanates from someplace on the elbow (doctor can tell you exactly where) and put ice on THAT spot, it is better then all over. Ice until it hurts and goes numb then do it longer a couple of times a day. Like said already get a band-it tendinitis band (wearing one write now), tried them all and it works the best. After it is better it needs to be strengthened and a therapist can show you how. |
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| become a troller or learn to love suckers 
I used to get tendinitis in both feet during football season,,would have prefered a punch in the mouth from ALI,,I feel your pain |
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| You can't do anything...besides muskie fishing I compete in amateur strongman, so you can believe what I put my body through. I have had tedonitis in my right elbow for almost 1 1/2 years now and nothing cures it. Basically just deal with it and ice it helps, ibuprofen helps but nothing will fully cure it. I've asked many people who have it and have seen docs about it and they tell them to rest and ice and it will help short term but not long term.
Probably not going to make many friends by saying that but with all the research I've done and people I've talked to, just live with it and go on with life. It does hurt but oh well... |
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Location: The desert | Stop playing tennis. |
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| this isnt meant has a joke but how come nobody has gone after Tylenol, and other tablet relief has sponsors,,how many people in the sport do you know that use them their has relevant has Rappala
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | "Probably not going to make many friends by saying that but with all the research I've done and people I've talked to, just live with it and go on with life. It does hurt but oh well..."
It's just like marriage after awhile you learn to live with the pain! |
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| First you need to have a doctors diagnosis on what you got going on it could be a combination of things.
I had both Tennis Elbow and Golfers Elbow at the same time he sent me to Physical Therapy finally I got some relief from the problem. Don't forget use any of the recommended arm braces they really work.
I ended up having to toss lighter lures and when I when my arm starts getting irritated I get on the anti-inflammatory's, rest my arm, and apply plenty of ice compresses to the sore areas.
Hope this will be of some help to you.
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Location: SE, WI. | The Omega fish oil is a good suggestion and good start Was watching Bill Dance once, and on his show, he showed an excercise that I now use. It seems to really help. It stretches the tendon out. Extend your arm straight out. Elbow locked. Now cock wrist upward with thumb outward from hand. Now rotate wrist like driving a car. Now same instructions but cock wrist downward, thumb down, and rotate wrist so thumb is facing up. You will have some pulling of tendon, but really seems to strengthen it. 5 reps in the mourn and 5 reps in the eve. Try it. Works for me. Very simple. The PT might give you this same excercise. Good luck!  |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Guys ! ..........
Don't worry Obama Care will cure your pittly A$$ elbow problems ! he is our savior and will cure all that bothers you !.... Unless your name is Rush
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Location: Rhinelander. | chiropractor cured mine
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| I had it bad in both elbows one year. Basically had to quit casting and let it rest. I wore different bands, none worked. Went to two different chiropractors, that was the biggest joke, waste of money,I ever did see. Rest, ibuprofen/Aleave and a good long winter and I was better. |
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| I have the braces and started taking the fish oil.I saw on another website eating ceelry was good for the problem.I play in two basketball leagues most guys are have my age and i guess using my elbows and forearms to gain position has taken its toll over the years,and fishing with 10 inch plus baits 75 percent of the time i fish.Thanks for all the responses that was nice.b
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| Pointerpride102 - 4/7/2010 5:24 PM
Stop playing tennis.
Exactly what I was going to say, and start fishing more hahaha |
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Location: Canada, Eh! | i have medial epicondylitis (golfer's elbow) from weightlifting. go see an ART (Active Release Technique Practitioner) and/or Graston Technique -- they are usually Chiros as well. It is helping me.
anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen will get you through the pain but just mask it. tendinitis can turn into tendinosis and you shouldn't 'work through the pain'. tendinitis = inflammation of tendons, tendinosis = degeneration of tendons.
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Location: Germantown, WI | ouch.... i really feel for you man! i had tendinitis in my right elbow from cranking on a chainsaw pullcord all weekend a few years back. it was debilitating and didn't go away for about 6 months. the braces didn't do much for me, and i really had to change how i did some things because of it, trying not to aggravate it. if i had any clue it was going to last as long as it did, i would have definetely gone to the doctor and seen if there was something they could recommend (physical therapy, injections, etc) to get me recovered quicker. Hope yours doesn't take as long to heal, my only recommendation is if it doesn't heal soon enough for you, get to the doctor
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Location: Illinois | Pointerpride102 - 4/7/2010 4:24 PM Stop playing tennis. That was served right up your alley and you aced it. 15-Love, Pointer!
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| I will second Boost on the ART (active release therapy) for tennis elbow. I spent every one of the dollars I had on my medical coverage on physio and the problem got worse as all they did was treat the symptoms. For 6 months of pain in the fall/winter and I was worried about the muskie season. I was skeptical about a Chiropractor but finally went. ART made the tennis elbow 50% better in 2 visits and was cured up and have never had a problem after 6 visits. Some of the visits were only 10 min. ART is the only way to go! |
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Location: Michigan | drugs work really well!! Prior to fishing pop a couple of Advil and get one of those straps. |
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Location: Rhinelander. | 2 or 3 adjustments at my chiropractor did the trick and not botherd me since. Now I have to go for the other elbow. sure he'll fix that one also.
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Location: Hugo, MN | I'll put in yet another vote for A.R.T. and or Graston. Years of work with hand tools and carrying my tool pouch all around caught up with me two years ago. I tried everything, including the band, ibuprofen, stretching, etc. Nothing helped until I went to a Physical Therapist who used the Graston technique on my forearm and even up the arm into my neck. The pain went away rapidly, and my range of motion was greatly improved.
I also had Graston done on my knee, post operation. It made a huge difference in flexibity and reduced pain.
Many years ago I saw a chiropractor, who is now the Vikings team Chiro, and he performed A.R.T. on my back. I walked out of that place feeling like a new man. For those of you who don't believe in chiropractors, why is it that every professional sports team has one on staff? Because they help. A GOOD chiro can absolutely help with repetetive stress disorders such as epicondylitis (Tennis elbow, golfers elbow, etc.). |
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| I have wasted a few thousand dollars of my own money trying to fix everything from Carpal Tunnel to heartburn with chiropractors. I have ran the full procedure with 3 different people. In the end the only thing that get fixed temporarily is the pain down the back of my leg. I don't get that if I remember to stretch everyday.
True story. I worked with a guy that had a regular appointment, once a month, with a chiro. The chiro retired so my buddy asked who he should see next. The chiro gave him a list of stretches to do and said you should not need one if you do these stretches daily. He hasn't been back since.
Again I rested and took medicine to get rid of the swelling and my elbows are now better. |
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Edited by Jerry Newman 4/18/2010 11:29 PM
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Location: 31 | Mine got so bad that I was considering surgery. I had a half a dozen cortisone shots over about a five-year period on my right elbow that only worked temporarily. Then I stumbled across a procedure called shockwave elbow therapy. http://www.shockwavetherapy.ca/what_we_offer.htm
I had to travel from Illinois to a sports medicine facility in Eau Claire Wisconsin to get it done... absolutely fabulous results. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Some good advice here, as well as some not-so-good advice...
As a physician who has seen one or two patients with lateral epicondylitis over the years, you need to confirm the diagnosis. Go to the doctor. It takes 15 minutes, and then you'll know. But the doctor may or may not be able to help you; probably no more than a Chiropractor will be able to help you. The treatment for Tennis Elbow is rest, and (eventually) stretching and strengthening exercises, in a controlled fashion. The mistake people make is to get too aggressive when it starts to feel better, and they re-injure the connective tissue fibers that attach the wrist/hand dorsiflexor muscles to the upper arm (there at the lateral epicondyle). In some cases, steroid injections are needed to quiet the inflammation. But if you've gotten to that point, this is probably more serious--because the process causing the on-going inflammation is unabated.
The best things you can do for this are:
1) Get confirmation of the diagnosis, so that the proper treatment can be offered.
2) Try to figure out which activities are causing the problem to persist, and stop those activities. If it hurts to do that, don't do that... (This is VERY important!)
3) Assuming it is Tennis Elbow, find yourself a skilled Physical Therapist, and (once the diagnosis has been confirmed) go see them. They will give you an exercise program, and may even be able to offer additional treatment such as phonophoresis, where ultrasound is used to drive a steroidal cream through the skin and into the affected inflamed tissues. Do the exercises. Religiously.
The risk here is that you will cause the inflammation to persist for so long that eventually surgery may be needed. That's rarely a good thing, but sometimes it's all that left to be offered. So the more aggressive you can be with treating the problem now; the better. Certainly the RICE method can work, but most patients get impatient and resume their normal activities too soon. Many times this causes a very persistent (and painful) process.
TB
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| Fought it for two and a half years in both arms, it's a nasty thing. The only real fix for it for me is to rest it a painfully long time. Icing it down helps with imflamation as does ibuprofen, just don't over do either as I've lost feeling on the skin of my right elbow from too much ice, and too much ibuprofen can give you a nasty stomach pain for a long time. Also when fishing (because i wouldn't stop) wear and arm brace and even a wrist brace to limit movement in that arm.
Rest it rest it rest it. Don't use it, and expect it to take at least a few months if you have it bad. It took me 6 months once I got serious about it. Also expect it to feel worse before it gets better, both arms did that to me. Also once it feels better still go easy with it for a couple months because it can come back quick.
I finally rested it and stopped being careless and reinjuring it. After 3 months without pain I started lifting weights again and fishing normal and it's as good as new now going on about 4 or 5 months.
Hope it gets better for you soon,
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Location: Madison | I've had it in both elbows  You need to rest it. Don't do any activity that aggrevates it. Ice it whenever you get the chance. The therapist had me doing reverse wrist curls with real light weight...like a soup can - 3 sets of 15 reps.
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| If it doesn't get better the only thing that will work is Prolotherapy. I tried everything from rest, exercise, ibuprofen, stretching, physical therapy, hot, cold, cortisone shots etc...
Prolotherapy is the only thing that worked for me and it was the only thing my insurance didn't cover at the time! The shots went from about $180 dollars to about $240. You're going to need at least 2 sets of shots. Of course my insurance covers it now but hopefully if you have insurance it will be covered. It was worth 10 times that. Every now and then if I cast all day it will start to hurt a bit but Ibuprofen takes care of that.
Oh and if you smoke, quit! It's all about blood flow!
Talk to your doctor and get a referral to go see a sports doctor for the Prolotherapy shots and you can thank me after you nail that 50 incher without any elbow pain.
Good luck and take care. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Wow, smoking cessation...how did I miss that one. Excellent idea!
And Prolotherapy--OUCH! I vaguely remember seeing that done when I was rotating through a Sports Medicine clinic while in Med School. Basically, when anti-inflammatory agents no longer work, then they inject a concentrated glucose solution (as I recall), into the tendon at the insertion point. This is multiple injections per session, on a recurrent basis. The idea here is to incite a more vigorous inflammatory reaction, simply to cause proliferation ("Prolo") of fibrous tissue at the tendon insertion point. Basically, this causes more scar tissue formation. I have seen it done a few times and remember thinking..."Man! I'll bet that hurts like heck!"
Suffice it to say that you really don't want for this to get to the point of needing Prolotherapy--and in all honesty, I didn't even know they were giving this treatment any longer. It's somewhat barbaric, from what I could tell. I'll ask one of our Orthopedists here in the hospital about it--but from what I've seen over the past few years though, they are more likely to take the person to surgery before it gets to the point of trying Prolotherapy...
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| As this thread goes on, I am thinking you guys are the same bunch that heads to the emergency room when you hook yourself or others.
Might I offer some cheese? |
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Location: The desert | I'll trade my back pain for your elbow pain. |
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| Surgery is the last thing you want. It hardly ever works. The first Prolotherapy shots I had were murder, but I think the doctor hit something in my elbow that he shouldn't have. The next few shots were better even though I threw up after the 2nd set. That is all it took however and I've been cured for over 4 years.
Basically your body gives up trying to fix the injury and the Prolotherapy re-aggravates it enough to make your body\immune system kick in and start the healing process. It's kind of a witch craft type of therapy but all the newer sports doctors are doing it and most insurances will cover it.
It's not that bad. I couldn't even brush my teeth without the tendonitis hurting before the Prolotherapy. Stretching and strength training helps also. Smoking cuts down the blood flow to the injury greatly reducing the body's ability to heal itself. Lots of doctors I know won't even do surgery on you if you smoke. I hope you get better.
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | fsf,...LOL ! Good one, I needed that chuckle. |
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Location: Bemidji, Lake Vermilion | Meet a nice lady if you don't already have one, convince her to massage other "areas" until you forget about the elbow. Works every time!! |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Thrax,
yet another good chuckle ! |
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Any cures for tennis elbow?