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| what do you guys say is the best or favorite wtd topwater and why?im looking for a new one and they all look like they work well. |
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| I like the good old jackpot for a super fast retrieve, searching for active fish.
I like a Doc for a bigger profile and making a lot of noise on the surface.
I like the regular Weagle for a slow presentation or when I've raised a fish on some other lure
You can work a Weagle pretty fast, so if I had to choose just one I'd say Weagle. But to me it's a different tool from a jackpot. All in all? Which one and what color is the least of your concerns in my opinion. You need a walk the dog bait. As long as it works, it doesn't really matter which one you choose. |
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Location: Oshkosh | As long as its not flat calm, I like the 10 in weagle.
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| ive had hook-up problems with the Doc....maybe cuz it only has 2 hooks? i dunno i like the weagle 1. it moves a lot of water 2. so far havent had hook-up problems cuz it has 3 hooks? i dunno
i also really like the baby weagle you can get that thing truckin and it jumps all over the place
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| no question about it you cannot beat the weagle, its hands down the best. TJ Devoe from muskie first turned me on to this bait. you cant get anything better..... JUST WEAGLE BABY!!!!!!! |
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Location: Medford, WI | I prefer the Weagle about 70% of the time; but I'll use a Jackpot the other 30%. The weagle has been great for hookup %age...definitely better than the Jackpot. I had a Doc at one time but didn't really care for the way it worked...maybe if I spent more time using it, but I also didn't like how light it was. Salmo's Maas Marauder was another one I've used that I didn't care for too much but that was because it seemed like you needed more of a constant movement with the bait...I couldn't really let the bait "glide" for a second and sit there before bringing it back the other way. I could definitely see how some people would like the Salmo though.
I'm not exactly sure the reason I use the Jackpot still...sometimes it just seems that the fish want a more subtle bait. Also, my custom/spray painted red jackpot has 15 fish on it and has about half an inch of hook rash in back so it's hard to not throw. The 3 biggest fish I have seen on WTD's are all on Jackpots which is rather interesting.
Anyways...I love WTD's and you can't beat them on those calm mornings as the sun is rising...I want to go fishing!
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | I tend to use prop baits when I'm using top water. But for walk the dog baits, the Weagle and Viper would be my top 2 choices. Both push a lot of water and catch lots of fish.
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| these are the ones that have been the best in my boat for me and others... all of them have a time and place..just like any bait some days they want big and loud, some days small and subtle...
fishstick
one eye willy
fish stick HD
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Weagle for me. |
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| I have had far more fish active for the jackpot than any other wtd but the hookage percentage is just terrribly awful. I'll hook more fish with a doc but lots of less activity. I just got a seducer and a maaas marauder so I will be trying them out soon! |
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Location: Bonduel WI | Fiedler - 3/27/2010 3:00 PM
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Location: Medford, WI | Don't know how I forgot the Homewrecker! I don't own one personally, but my fishing partner had good success with his this summer. More similar to a Weagle than a Jackpot....heavier and 3 hooks.
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| had very good luck on homewrecker. moves water, heavy with three hooks for better hookups. just as many hits as with my old jackpots(which i threw for years) with more fish in boat now with homewrecker. sometimes fish the doc but two hooks and light weight problems as others have said. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Hands down Fish Stick HD! Very easy to make walk, easy to walk in place to trigger a following fish, and you can work it fast or slow. On top of that it works very, very well in anything from calm to some big waves. In fact it has worked great for me on fish over deep cabbage in 15-20 mph winds!
Very good hooking bait as well. If you don't have one you have got to get one! |
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| American Hardwood Lures Politician. New last season. First it go to the left and then it goes to the right. |
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| I love the action of the Havana Jack. This is an 8.5 inch bait and comes only with two 5/0 trebles. Those hooking percentages are not ssooo good. So, what I did is just add another one on. I screwed in another screw eye directly center of the other two hooks and added a 4/0 treble on. Still has the exact same action and the hooks do not get tangled with each other. Great hooking percentage and Great action!
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Location: Probably Minnesota that time... | Seems I may be one of the very few that actually like the Bucher Dancin' Raider, that bait has been awesome for me. -It only works for me though when the lake is laid down calm at sunset, and work it slow! I also like the J-Walker from AHL a unique bait with a cool spray from the cupped mouth another one better worked slow. For a faster presentation the Jackpot seems hard to beat. You need to try a variety of brands, to see what fits you, everybody finds their favorites through time using them. The fish will help you decide, just give a handfull a fair shake under prime time conditions. Have fun!
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Location: South East Wisconsin | Black! |
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| 50"skie - 3/27/2010 10:17 PM
I love the action of the Havana Jack. This is an 8.5 inch bait and comes only with two 5/0 trebles. Those hooking percentages are not ssooo good. So, what I did is just add another one on. I screwed in another screw eye directly center of the other two hooks and added a 4/0 treble on. Still has the exact same action and the hooks do not get tangled with each other. Great hooking percentage and Great action!
Jake Heuer
if you ask me the additional treble hooks look useless considering the space between original hooks location,it look like 3 to 4 inch.if you miss fish with the original setting its not gonna be something big
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Location: Racine, Wi | mcgeissler - 3/27/2010 10:04 PM
Any favorite colors in the Weagle?
Perch, black, or frog (if you can find frog still).
Weagles all the way for me. I don't even own any other WTD baits anymore and put lots of fish in the boat on them every year. There's always one strapped on a rod in my boat. |
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| Seems crazy to me someone, and a guide to, would say they only throw 1 kind of wtd topwater!!!! That's like saying you only own and throw a mepps marabou for bucktails in my opinon! !! Wow. |
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Location: South-Central VA | Try Tater Hog's Stormer Spunk. It is by far the best walk the dog lure I've ever seen. They are smaller, in the 6" range, but I think they are plenty big to attract muskies. www.taterhogcustomlures.com
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| B.S Willy One eyed willy
Early season the one eyed willy JR is hard to beat. Last year had more 45" + fish on the JR than the big one.
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Location: On the water | Another vote for the AHL Politician. Works very easy and love the truwire construction. |
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| pepsiboy - 3/28/2010 7:52 AM
50"skie - 3/27/2010 10:17 PM
I love the action of the Havana Jack. This is an 8.5 inch bait and comes only with two 5/0 trebles. Those hooking percentages are not ssooo good. So, what I did is just add another one on. I screwed in another screw eye directly center of the other two hooks and added a 4/0 treble on. Still has the exact same action and the hooks do not get tangled with each other. Great hooking percentage and Great action!
Jake Heuer
if you ask me the additional treble hooks look useless considering the space between original hooks location,it look like 3 to 4 inch.if you miss fish with the original setting its not gonna be something big
no?
Yeah I was kinda thinking the same thing. I also have one that I switched out the two 5/0 (that comes when you buy it) and switched them out with two 7/0 trebles. I guess I'll just test them out this season and see witch one has better hook ups. If ya ask me I think this one will.
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Location: Kentucky | FishBanner - 3/27/2010 9:14 PM
The Robbin' Hood. Only comes in Commie Red, guaranteed to keep you and future generations upside down under water.
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Location: South East Wisconsin | Will the 7/0 trebles affect the action of the Hjack? More I think about it, it may make it a little heavier which would make the lure ride lower and push more water? Interesting, I may have to experiment in the pond.
Jake, are you losing fish on the Hjack or are you having a lot of blow-ups? I run the Hjack with the original hooks and every fish that has hit I have hooked up.
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| Esox-Hunter - 3/28/2010 10:20 AM
More I think about it, it may make it a little heavier which would make the lure ride lower and push more water?
Exactly! Experiment with.
Jake, are you losing fish on the Hjack or are you having a lot of blow-ups? I run the Hjack with the original hooks and every fish that has hit I have hooked up.
I only landed one fish on the two 5/0's and had a lot of blow ups. They would just come and take a swipe at the bait and, well......... 
Thats why I have been experimenting with the different hooks. I didn't really have a lot of time to test the two 7/0 out because I just started putting them on last fall.
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| Esox-Hunter - 3/28/2010 10:20 AM
I run the Hjack with the original hooks and every fish that has hit I have hooked up.
I would just keep on using that if it's working for you.
It's probably just a confidence thing. Plus...I just like to mess around with the baits. 
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| I was fortunate enough to get my hands on a One-Eyed Willy and OEW Jr. last year for Project Noble Beast. The OEW is a beast and moves tons of water as well as riding waves well. I became partial to the smaller OEW Jr. which reminded me a little of the Phat Boy, except on steroids. Great sound for a smaller WTD bait and extremely user friendly. You can get this little puppy to do a 180-270 no problem... which triggered this gorgeous 48" (and #27 for the study) into obliterating the bait!
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Location: Grand Rapids MN | 50"skie, another option would be to move the front hook forward some. Going to longer/larger hooks just moves the hook points further back on the lure which is part of the original problem. And if you want to go with 3 hooks after moving the front one forward then get some short shanks. I would even go with the lighter wire stuff just so you don't add to much more weight. I moved hooks forward on a few Jackpots and it doesn't seem like I miss to many fish any more (pike and 'skies).
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Location: Grand Rapids MN | double post.....
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Location: Pelican Rapids, MN | Phat Daddy by Musky Buster! |
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Location: Grand Rapids MN | triple post......
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Location: South East Wisconsin | I agree with you Jake. All you can do is experiment. |
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| The weagle is a great bait but I've thrown around the fish stick and that is a really sweet bait also. Lee did a pool demo and showed alot of different ways you can use it. His bait is quiter and doesn't have as much of a wide glide so the fish don't miss it as much. The mass marauder is also a pretty decent bait, alot of head bob but kinda picky on the cadance. |
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| 2 kinds or styles of WTD baits . Head bobbers and sloshers. Each style has a time and a place. Tools man, tools. |
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Location: big cove tannery pa | Anyone use the mass marauders?Used one for the first time and the action looks pretty good,throws a good bit of water.
I still prefer the action of the docs,but also love the action of the phat daddy.
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | Never had a weagle until last year...kept hearing on this site, weagle, weagle, weagle, weagle....figured that many guys couldn't be wrong so I picked one up....yup; they were right. |
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Location: Racine, Wi | JImbo, I may be missing out on some fish by not throwing jackpots or other WTDs (I know the OEWs and Fish sticks are good baits as well as I have many friends that throw them), but I can't argue with the success that myself and clients have had with weagles. That's the only time I go to just one bait from a category, but it's worked up to this point, and very well.
When it comes to other baits, I have plenty to cover the conditions, but with weagles, I've caught fish working it fast, and also working it slow so I'll keep rocking that bait for sure.
Jimbo - 3/28/2010 8:27 AM
Seems crazy to me someone, and a guide to, would say they only throw 1 kind of wtd topwater!!!! That's like saying you only own and throw a mepps marabou for bucktails in my opinon! !! Wow.
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Location: oswego, il | I really like my weagle. As for the color, it's black with a white head. My other favorites are the recon in both sizes from H2otackle and you can weight them to your likeing. I also really like the shad topwater and kahuna topwaters from Hoosire hand made musky baits. Here are pics of the recon, shad topwater and kahuna which is a plastic bait:
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just because i know the lil effort behind a baits like that
that's why i really enjoy satisfier
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| 1.Weigh the blank
2.Put on jig and mark holes
3.Drill said holes, including eyes(routing bit)
4.Sand blank for better primer adhesion
5.Prime blank
6.Sand blank again for better paint adhesion
7.Paint blank
8.Insert eyes
9.Apply topcoat
10. Re-drill holes for hardware
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and i will not compare paint job of cranks vs weagle
btw weagle are pushing 30$
why a weagle instead of a satisfier,fashion?
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Location: SE Wisconsin | Weagles and Kloet's Super Surface Slider. . . Too bad he quit making baits.
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| Steve Jonesi - 3/31/2010 10:36 AM
Is that $30 Canadian???
Hey guys, depends on where you shop. Our Mojo Weagles have always been $24.99. More for the Wild action tail version and 10 inchers. Both the Weagles and Wabulls have been selling at a pretty fast clip this spring. Once the Muskie Mojo baits are gone, they are gone. Looking forward to getting some of the Suick models in, in the near future.
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| If I'm looking for a low sitting wtd I love my 8 inch vipers. I have a 10 inch weagle but if there is more than a slight chop it seems to have issues, but is fantastic when it's calm. If I'm looking for something that rights a little higher in the water or is more of a "bobber" i love my fish stix HD. |
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| Calm- 1 footers One Eyed Willy Jr
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Location: Minnesota | anyone have any experience and opinions of the musky safari water moccasin?
its looks so girthy I guess i wonder about hook ups, but that makes me think that it pushes some major water.
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| dfree - 4/1/2010 10:59 AM
anyone have any experience and opinions of the musky safari water moccasin?
its looks so girthy I guess i wonder about hook ups, but that makes me think that it pushes some major water.
thanks
Dan
I have one and I think it looks good on calm water but any chop and I have an issue working it well (could be me). I like the weagle. |
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Location: Neenah, WI | WTD's
Recon By H2O
Weagle All sizes- Suick Lures
HD Fish Stick Lee lures
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| dfree:
I've been using the water moccasin for the past two seasons and I really like it. Makes a lot of commotion, rides low in water, and I've had good success with hookups. It's worked well for me in calm water to moderate chop...haven't really tried it enough in a heavy chop to comment on it's effectiveness in that respect. |
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| I just bought one of the new Phantom Viper softtails from Aaron at muskytackleonline. Looking forward to throwing that in a few weeks. Cool thing about that bait, i got the all black one, is I can change out tail colors to give it an extra color flash, if the black/black is not effective. Plus I get more use out of the spare tails I have for other softtailed Phantoms. Only the 7.5 tails work with the new viper softtail though, I believe. |
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| Musky Tackle Online rocks! I just picked up a Viper from him as well...but not the softail one. I was happy to see he added these. It's been one of my favorites for a long time. They always run great, move a bunch of water, and catch big fish!
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Location: SE, WI. | Owned a jackpot. Good action, but missed many fish.
Owned a fish stick. Had the front hook hang up 19 times in the first 20 casts with the bait. Very frustrated with it, + the wood digs appeared only after about 2 hours use. Very soft wood. Did not like the bait.
Bought a Satisfier. Very little sound from bait. Besides it sunk below surface if you did not keep up the cadence. Did not like bait.
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| dfree - 4/1/2010 11:59 AM
anyone have any experience and opinions of the musky safari water moccasin?
its looks so girthy I guess i wonder about hook ups, but that makes me think that it pushes some major water.
thanks
Dan Awsome, Awsome Bait! Right up there with the Weagle on my list!
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Location: SE, WI. | On May 2nd, The love of my life, (my wife) will properly show me the finer points of retrieving a walk the dog bait which has been around for about 50+ years. I can't wait!!!
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | A question for all you Weagle users, and other WTD users that need fairly calm water to work the bait. What do you use for a WTD when the chop gets to be too much for the Weagle or other WTD? Do you just throw WTD when it is fairly calm?
If you do you are missing out on a lot of opportunities!
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Location: Racine, Wi | Travis,
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Fish Stick HD in all conditions. Rides high, yet doesn't get blown out of the water.
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Location: Racine, Wi | My Cady weagles are all retired now, so I'm only throwing the Mojo weagles. They work fine in all conditions for me. Last year I did notice times where the 10"er pulled fish out better than the 8"er on calm days for some reason. The 8" was golden for pretty much any weather though. It would have been a miracle to not see someone in my boat throwing one last year. |
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Location: Iowa | I would say 10" weagle, Havanna Jackpot, Weagle, Jackpot...I like the bigger weagle better than the other smaller version although I own and have caught fish on both...same with the Havanna Jackpot over the regular Jackpot...just my preference |
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Location: Bowling Green, KY | You never here anything out of the MI Seducer. It looks like a giant luckycraft sammy. Anyone ever give one a try? i have a couple, but feel they are too big for the local muskies, but they are interesting baits with a big, loud rattle. |
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Location: In a shack in the woods | Performance_Tuned - 4/8/2010 6:33 AM
You never here anything out of the MI Seducer. It looks like a giant luckycraft sammy. Anyone ever give one a try? i have a couple, but feel they are too big for the local muskies, but they are interesting baits with a big, loud rattle.
I thought the same exact thing. I bought 1 and played with it quite a bit and really liked the action. It moved good worked slow on glass days. In rough water in made a racket. That being said by the time I gave up on it I only had one hit and lots of hook rash. It seemed like a great lure just like the Sammy but I've had more skis hit a Sammy 100 than the seducer. |
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| Hey guys,
I know this thread is a couple years old and I appologize for bringing this one back to the top. But, I have a couple questions that I'm hoping you guys can help out with.
I'm fishing for striped bass from shore, and have found many of the musky WTD lures seem to get much more attention from large (30lb +) striped bass than many other plugs. I've been fishing the DOC and little DOC for a couple years and love it, but want to expand the selection for this type of bait. I've looked up all the lures you guys have listed above and what I really want from the plug is: around 9", 3-4.0 ozs, all white (which I can recoat if needed), and big rattles (like the DOC or louder). The think I like about the DOC is the awsome wide sie to side, the thing I can't stand is when I hood up to large fish, the splitring seems to open regaurdless of what I put on. I've had #6 wolverines open due to weird leverage the fish gets on the front hook. For hooks, I use 4/0 6x VMC saltwater hooks on all large lures. I've learned to live with the blow ups, but suggestions on reducing them would also be helpful.
a good alternative to the DOC looks like it may be a 8" viper? right??
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try a 9" ratting shad or ratting baitfish top water from Hoosier Handmade. they are built like tanks and work great
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Location: Red Wing, Minnesota | One eyed Willy
Havana Jack
Giant jackpot
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| I posted a reply that was deleted because I didn't like the HD Fish Stick? Wow.
Jackpots get fish to come up unlike any other lure I own, but you mine as well take the hooks off them - they are so hard to get hooked up. The bucher dancing raider stays in the water way more and still brings up fish. Awesome bait! |
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| Tough choice between big mamma or Hoosier handmade |
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| Zora spook. |
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Location: Oswego, IL | It really depends if your using a leash or not. |
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Location: Apollo, PA | Hoosier Topwater Shad
Kodiak Mooncricket |
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Location: Red Wing, Minnesota | cave run legend - 5/7/2014 7:58 PM
Zora spook.
Zara Spook - just a cheap knock-off of all the baits that came after it |
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Location: St Paul, Minnesota | I myself have had success with the 8" Phantom Viper lure but also started throwing the Lee Lure Fish Stick and like the different offering that lure provides. I've had Havana Jacks and Giant Jackpots get blown up out off the water in the past, but I suppose nearly everyone who throws topwater could say that about any lure. I haven't thrown the Water Moccasin but I've heard good things and I've talked to Scott of Musky Safari lures a few times at the expos and I'll say this... He knows his stuff. Food for thought, ultimately I think confidence in a lure puts more fish in the boat than the slight/subtle differences in lures so figure out what you like and throw the hell out of it.
-C7 |
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| My two favorites are Big Mamma's and One-eyed Willy. By the way Spooks have their time and place ... yes they can get blown out of the water but under post frontal tough conditions they work. |
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Location: Chicago, IL | Musky Safari - Water Moccassin!! Cannot believe it hasn't been mentioned yet. Very similar to the weagle but moves more water and comes in better color patterns. Scott K (the owner) makes each of them by hand... |
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