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| They look very similar...
I have about 50 different Jakes and Grandmas (mostly 6") and all are different in some way (size, color, rattles, no rattles, swimming action, buoyancy, etc.) You can also change them yourself (color, add weight, rattles, change the lip, etc). The 6" Grandmas have a wider wobble than the Jakes and can be worked at a quicker speed.
I try to pick up any used Jake or Grandma I can find. The older ones seem to catch more fish.
Now just wait until you guys get your hands on the new 7" Krave Jr from Musky Armor... some fish are gonna feel something fierce 
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Krave Jr, you say? Since when? |
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | JakeStCroixSkis - 3/23/2010 1:18 PM
Krave Jr, you say? Since when?
Should be available in about a month. I've had the chance to look at these (although not in the water yet) and they are a great looking bait!
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Location: Hayward, WI | Another difference is the Jakes have rattles, and the Grandmas don't. I don't have many of each bait, but a 9" Grandma seems to run a couple feet deeper on a cast than a 10" Jake does. Both are good baits!
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| curleytail, i have about 8 6" Grandmas that have rattles, but they are all older. those are the ones that catch most of the fish... shhhh
i don't think any of the newer 6" grandmas have rattles and i don't think any of the larger grandmas have rattles either, but it doesn't take much to add them.
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Location: Sw Pennsylvania | The newer 6" grandmas still have rattles. |
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| I think all my new 6" Grandmas don't have rattles. Whatever... keep making em both ways! haha
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | 9" Grandma runs quite a bit deeper than a 10" Jake, and also has a slower rise to it without any mods. They also don't have rattles, or t least the ones I have bought. The action of the Grandma is slightly "different" as well. Comparing an unmodified Jake to a Grandma...The grannies jerk around much easier right out of the package.
10" Jakes definitely dive shallower, and are much more bouyant. I think they push more water as well being a bit thicker in the width. Once you add weight to them they are a dream, and get the nod more often than the Grandma. With the weight they jerk around pretty easy.
A few cons - Jakes tend to leak where I haven't had an issue with grannies. Easy fix though with some epoxy, but an extra step that has to be taken right out of the package. Jakes lips also tend to work out on occasion, and again epoxy from the start will prevent it.
While I listed cons for Jakes, I still grab one over a Granny. They just produce better for me, but I also fish them a lot more than I do a Granny. Granny lips tend to break more when the water is cold.
Grannies are a good choice when the fish want a large minnowbait profile at a deeper depth than a Jake. |
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| The jake has a little more side to side movement, where the grandma is a "tighter" wiggle back and forth on its center, if that makes sense.
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Location: Hayward, WI | Interesting that same say the newer Grannies have rattles, and some say the older ones have rattles. The 9 incher I have is only a couple years old and doesn't have rattles.
I've heard Travis K. talk about adding weight to Jakes for a while. I might have to try it sometime. Travis, when you say they are easier to jerk around, do you mean it's just easier (requiring less technique) to get them to dance, or do you mean it's physically easier on the body to rip and jerk them?
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Location: north central wisconsin | Lot's of difference within the 10" jake ranks too ie between old old square lipped jakes, old jakes post square lip but still with the clunky rattles and small line tie, jakes a few years old with the lighter rattles but small eyes and pre Drifter, and the new Drifter jakes that I beleive ride higher than the older ones, on a cast anyhow.
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Location: Kodiak, AK | What's the best/most common way to weight a 10" Jake? |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | esoxfly - 3/24/2010 2:01 AM
What's the best/most common way to weight a 10" Jake?
Drilling a hole, filling it with oil, then fill the hole with epoxy. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Curlytail, both! The less bouyant a crankbait is the easier it is to get it to flip sideways (important), up, and down. Thus requiring less effort to get the results wanted.
I weight my Jakes with water. Bought a seringe from good ole Fleet Farm for administering medicine into livestock. Holds 12cc of water I think. I drill a hole in the top of the Jake slightly off center (as if it is on center you risk splitting the bait seam), squirt water in, apply silicone to a sheet metal screw, and screw in the screw. That way if I want to add more later, or take some out I simply unscrew and go. I will tell you I use no less than 12cc and no more than 25cc of water in a 10" Jake. 8" use less of course. I like mine to have a slow rise just like I like my DDD's.
Tried oil, once, and didn't like it. Too messy when you accidently overfill into a fish tank! 
Schillinger brings up a whole new can of worms that I won't touch! Just keep in mind what he has mentioned.
Attached are pics showing screw placement.
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Location: Contrarian Island | some old Grandmas, like the M9 and that era did have rattles...none of the new bent lip 9" grandmas have rattles that I have ever owned or seen...some 7.5" jointed had rattles as well and some didn't... to me a 10" jake is a better trolling bait and I'll pick a 9" grandma (or other big crank) over a jake all day long when casting...but I have never been a big fan of a 10" jake casting, but haven't really given it much time either...love the grandmas
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| Impressions from an amateur:
1. Inch for inch, the Grandma is more slender. (But then she's a girl.)
2. Jake has rattles; Granny does not.
3. I tend to reach for the 6" Jake before the 6" Granny, but I downsize my hooks to #1 to get desired action.
4. The 7" Granny casts better than the 8" Jake because it doesn't foul as often on the cast. Yet it runs shallow.
5. 8" Jake trolls better than the 7" Granny because it runs deeper and has a nicer wobble.
6. 9" Granny casts and trolls nicely. And gets down on the cast. (I don't own a 10" Jake. It is out of my league.)
Both are valuable lures.
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Brad I am curious to know why you like the Grandmas over the 10" Jake for casting. Is it the action, depth, or how much easier it is to "work"? Knowing a special 12" bait you like to throw I am surprised to hear you don't like 10" Jakes. Or is it just a matter of you started throwing Grandmas before Jakes, and never gave the jake a chance? I know I have a lot of baits I have done that with. |
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| Travis, have you ever had any problems with adding water to jakes,
and having them freeze n pop?
tried the cooking oil as well before, gives a rather funny action
to them, but likeable for sure.
My vote has always been jake jake jake, wont even begin to say how many fish have come to my boat on one, but grannies definitely have their time and place.
each having their own subtleties, but being a lot alike, its amazing to see a preference tho from day to day on how the fish will target one over the other.
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Location: Contrarian Island | Travis, probably from using Grandmas more so from the start...I never liked the buoyancy and how hard you had to rip Jakes to get the action I wanted... and never tinkered w/ them years ago like maybe I would now to like them more...I can get a 9" Grandma to kick out very easily and if I want can make it do a complete 360 degree loop...couldn't ever get a jake to do what I can w/ a grandma... mainly not a 10" jake fan because I have other 10 and 12" baits in my arsenal that have better action to me... I know guys like you and others that have good success w/ jakes I guess I have other baits I think will work just as well..... !?!?
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Never had an issue with water. I have even kept my box in the garage over winter, and none of my Jakes have been ruined.
I could see an issue if you have it completely full, and once the water froze and expanded then it would break the lure. If it's full of water you would have a sinker anyway, so what harm is a little crack from the water expanding?  |
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| ive lost hook hangers from a bait cracking n expanding from the such.
had a 6" jake that was a sinker that I never had problems with, caught lots of fish too,but ended up getting only the line-tie back one day from a snag.
im guessin it met its match or it was weak.
mostly bucher stuff tho that has really split once it took on water.
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Location: Barrington, Il | If you wieght a Jake for casting, how does it affect trolling? |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Millsie that was something I was going to mention, but decided not to. It really depends on how much you weight it, and how. The amount of water I add to a Jake does not allow it to be trolled. Again I weight mine so that they are a slow riser. For those that troll and cast, with the same Jake, would have to mess with the weighting to find the point at which is the most weight for trolling before it blows out. That weigh it will work better for casting with the added weight, but still be use to troll. That is the beauty of how I weight mine using a syringe, water, and screw. Very easy to adjust as needed on the water as long as you have a screwdriver, and you don’t drop the screw in the water. Want to remove some water, stick the syringe into the hole of the Jake and suck some out. By doing that you will also know exactly how much water you remove, and therefore know how much is left in the Jake for future reference.
Other methods of weighting I did not mention give the Jake unique actions. One is a foaming and weighting, and another is adding pencil lead. I’ll let those that do these weighting divulge in the techniques if they want. I will not since I was shown them. I would think these methods would also kill trolling them.
I would suggest if you want Jakes for casting, and some for trolling that you just have them for the specific scenario and not one for both. The last thing you want to do is take one weighted perfect for casting and change it because you want to troll it too, or vice versa. Don’t mess with a bait once the fish like it!
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Location: Black Creek, WI | Good comparisons have been made so far to explain the difference between Jakes and Grandmas.
I prefer Jakes. I like 10" Jakes "as is" for aggressive power fishing. The 10" Jake can also be a superb jerkbait when properly weighted. An absolute awesome finesse tactice when erratic with a pause is the ticket. The attached photo explains how I weight them.
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| I remember that from a while back Jason. Thanks for posting it again. Good stuff. |
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| I agree with jason and trav, 10" jakes get snapped on almost 10:1 when casting. I especially like them for hammering structure as it takes more effort to drive them down, and when they 'scrape' bottom/rocks they are still moving faster horizontally, and glance off quicker/easier than the granny's. Interesting take from some. I see one person likes the 7" granny for casting over the 8" jake. Totally different lures for totally different apps for me, but I also prefer the 8" jake for casting all the way and trolling the granny in 7", but I am sure his set of circumstances are different, and his methods do perform better.
In reality, the only lures from each company one can really compare, are the 6"ers. While different, they are more similar than the bigger cousins. 10" jakes and 9" grannies are so different, I really don't even put them in the same class. Hard to explain, but I'll lump my jakes with warners, cranes, big games, slammers while my grannys(9") hang out with my divers.
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | I've used the foam (Great Stuff) and splitshot method many times and it gets the desired action (it also silences the rattles). As with any permanent method you'll need another if you want one w/ a different action and/or if you want to troll it. The other drawback is that it can be messy until you figure out just how much the foam really expands.
I like TK's method becasue you can undo what you have done. The new JB weight system for hollow plastic baits would be another answer for adjustments. I've also been toying with a combination of TK's water/screw system and the JB weight system but haven't tried it yet so I can't report on the result.
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