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Location: chicago | After reading the newmusky hunter article on lure speed it has me thinking.My boat partners mother comes up with us at least once a year and always catches a fish no matter what lure she trys. Sometimes she changes lures after an hour but eventually she findes the magic bait.She is the only one that each week she lands a fish. We have the top of the line lures and colors can cast 3x as far and retrieve 2 to her one. THe magic ans. is the pace she reels. Now I know for sure is that color is not as important as lure speed and presentation!!!! |
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| are you saying she is slow rolling it alot or are you guys just rippin em hard! |
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| Speed kills.
SOMETIMES.
Other times it's just way over rated.
Let the fish tell you what they want. |
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Location: chicago | She goes really slow and our 'slow' is really too fast!!! |
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| Obviously the fish have been telling this knucklehead what speed...but Grandma is the only one with the smarts. |
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| We can analyze retrieve speed until the grass turns green in the spring. Or we can look at the facts:
1. "Mom" comes up fishing once a year, maybe more
2. Mom always catches fish
3. It doesn't matter what lure mom uses
4. The younger genration has all of the "top of the line" lures
5. The younger generation can cast father and much more often than mom
6. The younger generation doesn't always catch fish
You can decuce from this what you want. It reminds me of a story...
An old bull and a young bull are standing together on a hill, when suddenly they notice a herd of cows grazing down in the valley below...
YOUNG BULL: "Hey, look all those cows!"
OLD BULL: "Yep, fifty at least."
YOUNG BULL: "What do you say we run down there and do one of 'em?!"
OLD BULL: "I've got a better idea. Let's walk down there and do 'em ALL!"
Editor's Note: Walking Bulls Wa Bull yep, slow rules sometimes too.
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | My dad has outfished me more times than I care to count casting, a Mepps Musky Killer fished about 3 to 4 feet down. Do you KNOW how slow you need to reel a Mepps Musky Killer to keep it 3 to 4 feet deep.
I just can’t do it, maybe as I get older I will LEARN!
Nail A Pig!
Mike
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Location: Racine, Wi | MRoberts - 2/8/2010 10:14 AM
My dad has outfished me more times than I care to count casting, a Mepps Musky Killer fished about 3 to 4 feet down. Do you KNOW how slow you need to reel a Mepps Musky Killer to keep it 3 to 4 feet deep.
I just can’t do it, maybe as I get older I will LEARN!
Nail A Pig!
Mike
Mike, my dad and his buddy are the same way, except they can't keep the fish pinned. They bring their baits in so rediculously slow at times. But they raise and hook some really good fish. Now if I can get them to keep those fish pinned, they'd be kicking my butt all the time.  |
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Location: MPLS, MN | Unpressured fish seem to like it slow, pretty simple most of the time. Speed is usually a must on clear water with fishing pressure. At least in my experiance. |
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| Obfuscate Musky - 2/8/2010 10:32 AM
Unpressured fish seem to like it slow, pretty simple most of the time. Speed is usually a must on clear water with fishing pressure. At least in my experiance.
Well said, on clear "virgin" lakes and dark water slow more often than not is the way to go... on pressured lakes or in tough conditions sometimes extreme speed is the only way to move fish. It sure wears a guy out fast though lol. |
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | My dad’s success comes exclusively on Pelican Lake one of the highest pressured lakes in Oneida County. He specifically does well during the Lake View Tourney which is always the weekend after Labor day and where there have been 80 to 120 boats on the water pounding musky between 7am and 5pm. Some years the waters clear, some years the waters is pea soup.
I think this technique would work more than we would like to admit, the problem is we don’t know how to slow down to the point where a Musky Killer runs 3 to 4 feet deep. We slow down and work a jerk bait like that, but very few pull a 5” bucktail that slow, EVER! So we discount it as a valid technique for pressured fish.
Every year I challenge myself to do this more often, EVERY YEAR I FAIL! I can’t help the feeling I should be moving faster, with a bigger bait. Maybe THIS YEAR?
Nail A Pig!
Mike
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| I find that when I do move the baits slower I will get alot more follows but less strikes if any strikes! I try then to speed it up and get a more active fish but nothing and then slow it down again and see a fish again! |
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| I find if I fish suckers stationary over the side of the boat with a bit of weight the muskie like it...BR |
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| My wife Kathy throws a # 5 Mepps at least half of the time she fishes.
She always reels slowly, so I gave her a 6:3 to 1 reel. She turns the crank the same way, but the bait is actually going a little faster. You could try that.
Last year in the Alliance Tournament on the Three Lakes Chain, she cought two, I caught one.
I'm convinced burning a bait is one of many ways to get bit but by no means the only one. It's just another method that works well in the middle of summer and as a throw back attempt on a following fish.
Small bucktails fished at a slow pace will always work. Just make sure to have very sharp hooks and get a good strong set. |
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | Maybe what I need to do is get an ultra low speed reel, spool it half full to force myself to slow down more. There is no doubt in my mind that speed is an affective trigger. But what I have found is that typically when my dad out fishes me it during times when the fish are NOT moving. And that slow little bucktail gets bit more often that he gets follows. If the fish are active then he gets follows and usually I am getting follows and strikes. When he is money is when we haven’t seen a fish all day and all of a sudden I here, “There WE GO, from the back of the boat!” I do have him now using one of my better rods, cause keeping those fish pinned can be a problem as described above. I am thinking I should put bigger sharper hooks on those little tails and maybe he would have a better landing percentage.
GREAT TOPIC!
Nail A Pig!
Mike
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| I would guess most of the action comes from a pause, regardless of how fast or slow the retrieve is.
Ever watch a kid or someone who doesn't fish a lot? They end up pausing or stopping/jerking the bait....some type of different moment rather than merely a straight retrieve (fast or slow).
I've thought back to the days when my reels where difficult for me to reel.........yep, I would make a pause or jerk ....
sometimes I would catch a fish.......hum...
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| Rookies ALWAYS catch fish. It's because us idiots haven't taught them the "right way" to fish yet.
Think about that for a minute. |
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Speed!