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| why is the musky sport made up of mostly middle age white men,why isnt there more diversity there.. |
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| have you ever gone to a curling bonspiel?
the muskie's range and the location of curling clubs pretty much overlap.
snow is white, too.
the good thing is that the muskie's range is expanding...
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Location: The desert | The Native Americans fish musky in their own way and get blasted for it. Many fisherman fit the stereotypical racist white man. Obviously not all, but I've seen many that fit it to a T. |
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Location: On my favorite lake! | I would agree with you. Most people who fish are 20 to 65. Most musky lakes are in white areas minus a very few. You don't see too many kids spending $20 a lure or $200 for a rod because they don't work and would rather have a playstation or transformers. Seniors are fewer because many have to worry about healthcare costs and not too many 80 yr olds can throw a pounder all day.Walleyes and crappies it is! Kids its bass and bluegills! |
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| It's not difficult to figure out.
1. Minorities typically live in areas that don't have muskies, and even if they did, you probably wouldn't want to fish there anyway.
2. Muskie fishing is not a cheap hobby. It's like golf -- the reason you see so many middle aged white men is because they are the only ones who can afford it
3. As far as why there aren't more women? Well... Getting up at 4:30 in the morning to go out in the cold and rain, to do a lot of pointless exercise for the chance to catch a big, ugly, scary green slimy fish with a lot of teeth, that you just put back in the water? Most women aren't that stupid! 
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Location: In a shack in the woods | Pointerpride102 - 1/25/2010 1:55 PM
The Native Americans fish musky in their own way and get blasted for it. Many fisherman fit the stereotypical racist white man. Obviously not all, but I've seen many that fit it to a T.
Does this mean I have to knock out my front teeth and buy a flannel to cut the sleeves off if I want to keep fishing musky?
20-65 is a pretty wide range. That like saying 20-65 year olds are more likely to have a job. I'm 25 and a musky addict. I would say most people that have this addiction are either finacially stable or crazy enough about it they don't care. It's like crack. I'm still not sure which one of the 2 I am though. Lol |
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Location: Ft. Wayne, Indiana | I am 17 and I love muskie fishing with a passion. I like to think that 17 is far from middle aged... |
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| go to lake minnetonka........you will find all and any types fishing out there.....big, small, large and tall........you name it , they are out there and other good things to look at too.......kind of reminds of the north end of mille lacs a few years ago......a complete circus!!!!!!!! i guess people cant afford the gas now and are stuck fishing it??? |
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| white - 1/25/2010 1:32 PM
why is the musky sport made up of mostly middle age white men,why isnt there more diversity there..
Whoever wants to go muskie fishing in America can...as long as you buy a fishing license. I don't think they're any cheaper for middle aged white men? |
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Location: WI | Who cares what the demographic is. I don't. |
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| I know that first poster was just trying to stir the pot but... I gotta say something, as usual. This will probably get pulled, possibly rightly so.
I've been at this fishing thing since 1974, and muskies since 2004. Not all that long in the muskie arena, but I have spent enough time around muskie anglers and their ilk over the last 6 years to say this: If you were one of those folks from some other demographic, on the outside looking in, at Mr. white, middle aged, pickup truck driving, northwoods bar drinking, [insert character trait here] muskie angler?
I'm guessing there's not more diversity in muskie angling because we scare the #*#* out of them!
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| My wife tried to get me to fish with an aqaintance of her's dad, now he was only about 12 years older than me in his mid 60's, and I tried to get him hooked first on Pike fishing on Delavan. I thought we would advance to the musky lakes. Each time I brought him out he would cast for about 90 minutes and then want to bobber fish the rest of the day for bluegills!! I had enough of that and didn't fish with him the rest of the year. Once my dad hit his mid 60's he would take 3 casts, sit down and have a beer, take 3 casts, sit down and have a beer ... I think the older people just can't handle the casting all day. Also as someone said earlier, it is an expensive sport. I have a buddy who is self employed and a musky fisherman, but he doesn't make that much money. His boat is 40 years old, and when I have gone with him to the musky shows, he would spend maybe $20.00 on a lure or two when I was plunking down $125.00 on several.
The true musky fisherman is a fanatic just like a golfer, and will need to spend money to obtain what ever he wants for his sport. In the past two years, since my kids are grown, I splurged on myself and bought a new boat and a new F150 for musky fishing. My wife gives me hell for it all the time though and I have to go with her whenever she wants to Jareds! |
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Location: Normal, IL | BTW
That was my post as "guest" I thought I was logged in! |
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Location: Minnesota | I happen to think that there is diversity in musky fishing just like anything else. I live in northern Minnesota and I will tell you that the percentage of anglers who are not white is probably pretty close to the percentage of the population in the area that is not white.
What is the big deal anyways? So what if someone is or isn't musky fishing. I don't love this sport because of someone else doing it or not doing it. You want diversity? I am Norwegian and the guy I fish the most with is Irish. I got your diversity right here! |
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| Typical musky fisherman are.....
Selfish, Thats my hot spot what the @#$% does that tourist think he's doing this is my lake. etc.etc.etc.
All knowing, You must throw this color lure at this time, You have to use these hooks with only this type of ring. Why are you using that line? that line is junk you gotta try this line. I found it is the best. etc.etc.etc.
Have more ethics, You shouldn't use that measuring board, net, glove, You will rub off to much slime! What are you measuring that under 40'' fish for put her back! HEY KID LET IT GO! there is no reason to keep a fish anymore. etc.etc.etc.
Half crazy- borderline loony, Spend tens of thousands on boats and gear, rods and reels, live bait, and lures. Spend a weeks vacation waking up at 4am and fishing till after dark every day. Just to catch a few nice fish only to throw them back. etc.etc.etc.
Well.... this is what I think the average angler-person thinks of a'' typical muskie fisherman''
But I love to fish for them because I am a typical muskie fisherman.
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| One of the great things about living the the US of A is that we have choices. People can choose to fish for whatever they want whether it be muskies, perch or catfish. As some have mentioned in this string many people don't like to cast for hours and be satisfied with one follow. Musky fishing is a crazy sport and I would admit to being a little crazy when it comes to musky fising. I would say there is plenty of diversity in musky fishing and who really cares anyway. |
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Location: Appleton,WI | Who cares just go out and fish!More diversity means more crowds on the lake. |
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | Guest - 1/26/2010 6:54 AM
The true musky fisherman is a fanatic just like a golfer, and will need to spend money to obtain what ever he wants for his sport.
You can get into musky fishing without spending tons of money. A rod, reel, some line, and a lure will catch you fish.
please don't compare musky fishermen to golfers LOL |
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| I know 4 deaf guys including myself fish for Muskie. How's that for diversity?? |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | Yeah, a large percentage of Muskie fishermen are white men, but then all outdoors type sports have a lot of white men doing them. I think that white men in the 20-65 age group are typically working full time, going to school, or trying to find a job if they don't have one, and want to get outside as often as they can. They usually have some money and have the physical ability to do a few things.
I don't think it makes a lot of difference what outdoor sport you are talking about, a large percentage will be white men in the 20-65 age frame. That is a pretty active group of people who like being outside. Whether its fishing, softball, golf, running, tennis, or whatever, white men like doing it. Even if they can't jump.  |
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Location: Illinois | Women are a growing demographic for sure. Other minorities? Not that much, but they're out there in small numbers. Musky fishing is nonsense to street wise folk, just like NASCAR is. If you're interested in improving minority participation, you oughta start a program that takes inner city people and introduces them to musky fishing. Call it "Hook a Brutha Up".
ps i love black people, and it's okay with me that they don't want any part of "a crazy white mans sport". |
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| What are the parameters to be considered middle aged?
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| fish4musky1 - 1/26/2010 12:21 PM
Guest - 1/26/2010 6:54 AM
The true musky fisherman is a fanatic just like a golfer, and will need to spend money to obtain what ever he wants for his sport.
You can get into musky fishing without spending tons of money. A rod, reel, some line, and a lure will catch you fish.
please don't compare musky fishermen to golfers LOL
While your statement is indeed true of some muskie fisherman. I would venture to bet that it is not ''typical''of most muskie fisherman.
And also not ''typical'' of most muskie fisherman that visit this web site.
As for the golfer comparison.... Any bets on who is the Tiger Woods of the muskie fishing industry? LOL! I enjoy playing golf too but don't visit any of those websites. |
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| white - 1/25/2010 1:32 PM
why is the musky sport made up of mostly middle age white men,why isnt there more diversity there..
Why is the NFL and NBA made up of mostly black males from 20-30? People do what they love and are good at; so I guess middle age white men love to fish. |
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| Guest - 1/26/2010 1:13 PM
white - 1/25/2010 1:32 PM
why is the musky sport made up of mostly middle age white men,why isnt there more diversity there..
Why is the NFL and NBA made up of mostly black males from 20-30? People do what they love and are good at; so I guess middle age white men love to fish.
White guys aren't as big or as athletic. I'm sure there are just as many white guys out there would would love to play pro football, or pro basketball, but it's just not in the genes... |
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Location: Pickering, ON | The only real commonality to musky fisherfolk is that we fish muskies.
Beyond that, we are full of diversity - skin colour, background, religion, politics, and everything else under the sun.
As has been pointed out, can you really even say that in a given area it is disproportionate in terms of diversity? If 90% of the northwoods is inhabited by middle age white men, and 90% of musky fisherfolk fall into the same class, than you really can't say there's a diversity issue, can you? It's simply representative of the population.
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| White men have no rhythm,,thats why we embrace the Manta,Hughes River and Cobbs we can finally do something in cadence |
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Location: The desert | happy hooker - 1/26/2010 1:48 PM
White men have no rhythm,,thats why we embrace the Manta,Hughes River and Cobbs we can finally do something in cadence
Well done! |
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| Tiger.....Tiger....care to comment on this one???? |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Guest - 1/26/2010 6:54 AM
Once my dad hit his mid 60's he would take 3 casts, sit down and have a beer, take 3 casts, sit down and have a beer ...
Is that you, Son?
Kevin
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| Guest - 1/26/2010 7:22 PM
Tiger.....Tiger....care to comment on this one????
Hint......he's 7 years old and a sconnie.
Lets keep it clean now. |
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| You don't need be in shape or smart to fish for muskies, so middle aged white men fit the bill...BR |
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| Thats a bit childish BenR, I guess you could just look that up and see if your wrong, about the shape and intelligence.
There has actually been a lot of work the last few years in the twin cites to introduce our youth of all ethnicity to fishing and musky fishing. Go walk the mpls lakes, there might be more diverse fisherman than youd think, Actually a white guy could be outnumbered there. As said most of it is handed down through families and tradition, and a big part of it is, who can or cannot afford a boat. Instead of buying my truck spinners and rims, i purchased a modest boat for myself.
It also could be predominantly middle aged white, because that is the hardest demographic to get a job right now, and they have a lot of free time. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | im far younger than middle aged but am completely taken by the sport of musky fishing i was lucky enough to be introduced by dad and grandad at a very young age. I play sports too, but only a select few bring that to the next level as we all know.. Fishing will be with me forever. |
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| scott savre - 1/29/2010 2:40 PM
Thats a bit childish BenR, I guess you could just look that up and see if your wrong, about the shape and intelligence.
There has actually been a lot of work the last few years in the twin cites to introduce our youth of all ethnicity to fishing and musky fishing. Go walk the mpls lakes, there might be more diverse fisherman than youd think, Actually a white guy could be outnumbered there. As said most of it is handed down through families and tradition, and a big part of it is, who can or cannot afford a boat. Instead of buying my truck spinners and rims, i purchased a modest boat for myself.
It also could be predominantly middle aged white, because that is the hardest demographic to get a job right now, and they have a lot of free time.
Thanks for proving my point...BR |
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| i had an old fishing buddy that once i became an almost exclusive musky angler he developed an attitude toward musky anglers saying it was a rich mans sport, all musky anglers think they are better than other multi-species anglers. how far from the truth! its like anything one is passionate about, you go after it with all your available resources.i didn't start fishin because someone did or didn't.very humble beginnings and i've meet many different people....so good some not so good.its not an exclusive sport.its inclusive. everyone has the choice. |
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Location: Suburban Chicago | No women in the sport?
Because when the fishing's been slow, it's thirty five degrees out, raining sideways and blowing a gale you can always look over at your buddy and say...
"AT LEAST SHE AIN'T HERE" |
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Location: Verona, WI | A lot of this comes from geography and economics. However it's also a failure of the current 20-65 year old demographic group that most of us are in to instill in the younger generation the same passion we have. How many of us have bought our kids Xbox games or Ipods which gets them to spend more time on the couch or less engaged with other people. I have and that's not helping. If you want to change that demographic it starts with you.
Off the soapbox now - sorry.
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Location: Smith Creek | Raised by TV and video games= short attention span= bass and bluegill fishing
Raised reading and running around in the woods= patience= muskie fishing and fly fishing
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| I'd say those numbers can go younger and older. I am 18 about to turn 19 in a couple months and have been fishing muskies since 4th grade, in college now. My girlfriend also recently caught the musky bug, brought her up to AML last year and she got up before anyone else fished off the pier, stuck it out when it rained every day and still managed to catch 3 muskies, her first walleye and pike. Whoever gets educated about muskies and has either access to lake or river, or knows someone with access will fish for them. Myself I like to take all my friends muskie fishing try to get them their first musky. I have about 6 friends who fish for muskies now all 18 or 19 years old. Its all about location, connections and desire. I remember how we started musky fishing. My dad, brother and myself weren't catching a lot of walleye anymore so we decided to get a musky pole as a joke and go catch one. Many casts later, my dad got his first one, introduced my brother and I to the sport, been hooked ever since.
Im currently taking hunters safety and looking forward to finding somewhere to hunt, now 8 years ago I had no desire to get into hunting. But through my friends, like how i taught them and sparked their interest in muskie fishing, they got me wanting to hunt. So connections, where you live and desire are huge factors. |
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| What IS middle-aged anymore, anyway??? Is it still 50? Only if you live to be hundred, I guess. But if most people are croaking somewhere between 65-85, then I guess middle-aged is more like 32-44. (Scary.)
And what about the WHITE part? Tough call there, too. With so many interracial marriages for years now, I'm not so sure that white or black is still out there anymore---more like a tannish color, at best.
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Location: Twin Cities Metro | It depends on where you are at. I guide both the Minneapolis Metro area and the Duluth area and have to say that there is a difference if what types of people I take out. Obviously the trips I take out in the metro is a much more diverse crowd then the trips in northern MN. It isn't that white middle aged men are the only ones that like musky fishing by any means, it is just how diverse the community is that you are fishing in.
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | Contributing reason why men get into fishing from 30-40 ----- ESCAPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Location: North Central IL USA | MuskieE - 1/26/2010 11:07 AM
Who cares just go out and fish!More diversity means more crowds on the lake.
Yep! I don't care about diversity. If it happens, fine. If it doesn't, that's fine too. Whatever floats your boat. |
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typical musky fisherman