tackle boxes
smj617
Posted 11/25/2009 7:33 PM (#409808)
Subject: tackle boxes




Posts: 37


Why are musky tackle boxes so limited and expensive? Its ridiculus. All I need is a box that will hold about 30 medium sized musky lures (nothing over 10") and about 15 large safety pin style spinnerbaits. And maybe a compartment that will hold some leaders, pliers, and odds and ends. There are a couple of boxes that look promising but they dont either hold spinnerbaits or the compartments are way to deep or they just plain cost to much. Bass anglers are lucky, they have a million boxes to choose from. Looks like I will just have to make something.
muskie_man
Posted 11/25/2009 7:44 PM (#409811 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes





Posts: 1237


Location: South Portsmouth, KY
Just get ya some clear planos and throw them in there.
Performance_Tuned
Posted 11/25/2009 8:56 PM (#409823 - in reply to #409811)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes




Posts: 102


Location: Bowling Green, KY
Seriously, I feel you pain. I use one of Bass Pro Shops boat bags that are made of canvas and are pretty water proof when they are zipped closed. In this I carry 4 Plano
3730 boxes and 4 Lock and Lock food storage boxes from wally world. All these are placed in the bag like books on a shelf and I can see what is in each one. These bags come with a sturdy shoulder strap and loops that I use to hang a binder style worm wallet that holds my spinnerbaits. The one I have is made by storm lures and I got it on clearance at walmart. It will easily hold 1 M&G size spinnerbait in each worm bag.
This set up would easily carry the gear that you mentioned and won't break the bank as
BPS tends to routinely put these bags on sale.

Almost-B-Good
Posted 11/26/2009 7:50 AM (#409851 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes




Posts: 433


Location: Cedarburg, Wisconsin
I hear ya!

My favorite, a Plano Phantom double sided box is just about worn out. It easily holds about 30 normal sized musky lures, takes up little room in the boat and is easy to open without taking up another acre of room like the hinged big hanging style boxes. I have a little canvas zipper bag I call my "everything" bag that completes my traveling equipment. In it are my release tools, files, leaders, camera, sunscreen, bug spray, asprin, rolaids, plastic trailer tails, scale, tape measure, sucker sinkers, jerkbait weights, extra swivels/snaps, and maps.

Why can't they leave a good thing alone! Every time I get a box that is really functional they discontinue it and replace it with something that is disfunctional! I had it happen with my Plano 7777 walleye/pike and salmon boxes, and as you said, the bass boxes are the only ones that seem to still be made with fishing in mind.

You have to wonder just who is designing those boxes and for what?
sworrall
Posted 11/26/2009 9:19 AM (#409869 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes





Posts: 32886


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
We pay up to $50 for a GIANT lure yet complain when a tackle box designed specifically to hold the things costs about 20% of the intended contents? $400 for a reel, $120 to $300 for a rod...it's because we want, as a group, to use and store securely our HUGE gear.

Just invest in a Just Encase and you will never need another box...and he'll build you your box to order if you like.
Tackle Industries
Posted 11/26/2009 9:31 AM (#409872 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes





Posts: 4053


Location: Land of the Musky
I have about 100 Plano 3700 series boxes and love them. But, I saw that Just Encase this year at the MN show and its real close to making my shopping list for the shows in 2010. That thing looks like it was built by an engineer who fishes for musky. Nice box and well thought out. JMO
James
piker
Posted 11/26/2009 9:34 AM (#409874 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes





Posts: 185


Location: On the water
I 100% agree with wath sworral said.
PIKEMASTER
Posted 11/26/2009 9:44 AM (#409875 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes





Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160
smj617 you are so right, the Bass guys they have alot of choices that don't cost a arm and leg like the encase boxes, also they are so heavy you need a forklift to get the box in and out of your boat. Plano is coming out with alot of new plastic boxes, ck out there web site. Also LAKEWOOD has alot of new stuff coming out. I spend a lot of $$$ on reels and baits, guess I have a hard time spending as much or more $$$ as I do for a reel on a clear plastic tackle box. If I had a Ranger I would spend the $$$ to have it as a casting deck, I guess guys leave them in year round, I don't see way you would take them out but to clean the box once a year.

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justencase
Posted 11/26/2009 11:28 AM (#409896 - in reply to #409875)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes




Posts: 148


Location: Excelsior, MN
On this Thanksgiving Day, I want to say thank you to the many customers who own a Just Encase ClearView tackle box. This is approximately the one year anniversary of bringing the product line to market following field testing.

It would be great to see postings and/or blog entries on M1st and on my website blog at www.justencase.com/newblog from those of you who have purchased and actually used a Just Encase ClearView tackle case over this past season.

Maybe your feedback would add some perspective to this M1st posting....

Bob Schmitt
[email protected]
www.justencase.com/newblog
sworrall
Posted 11/26/2009 1:06 PM (#409911 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes





Posts: 32886


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
PIKEMASTER;
I have two Just Encase tackle boxes, and one custom case for the OFM Underwater recording studio. My Just Encase boxes are not allot heavier actual weight-wise than my Lakewoods are, and are securely locked inside my rig. I can see which lure is in which compartment, and the box is vented so my lures dry nicely even though the lid is locked shut. I don't own a folk lift, and I'd guess you don't own a Just Encase.
jackson
Posted 11/30/2009 8:05 AM (#410230 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes




Posts: 582


Although i have a few tackle boxes for musky lures, i have used other ideas. you can take a 5 gallon bucket and put pieces of 1.5 or 2" PVC pipe inside. Hang the lures inside the PVC tubes. It works just like most of the tackle boxes. You can even buy lids for 5 gallon pales.
Steve Jonesi
Posted 11/30/2009 12:03 PM (#410251 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes


I've used just about every tackle storage system ever devised over the last 30+ years and this Summer, picked up a Just Encase. A smaller version, but tall enough for Super Models and Rubber. I was able to store my camera, essential tools and all misc. terminal tackle in the drawer at the bottom. I fished with several different guys this year and was able to carry with me, all I would need for an adventure, no matter the location(lake) or duration. Cost??? If you're fishin' muskies, you've already gone to the Dark Side so you should know better not to question cost. LOL X 10,000. Ya know how a Muskie Fisherman/Woman becomes a Millionaire????? They start with 2!!!! Seriously, low cost can often mean "Cheap" and when considering "value", durability is a top priority. I will be investigating another Just Encase this Winter.
bn
Posted 11/30/2009 12:28 PM (#410256 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes


for me, the best thing I have found are just the 3700/3730 Plano's and some soft sided tackle box bags...I've got a Shimano one that holds 3 of the plano's and another bigger one that holds 5....when I go on weekends to Vilas or other places I can easily fit the lures I need in one of those...the JustEncase ones look nice but I still like the versatility of $5 Planos...
Flambeauski
Posted 11/30/2009 3:18 PM (#410277 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes




Posts: 4343


Location: Smith Creek
Everyone's situation is different. If I had a 20 foot boat that I fished out of 100% of the time the Justencase is great. Suppose I'm fishing with a friend who has a 17 foot boat and a Justencase of his own. We wouldn't have room for the beer or the dog. Styrofoam minnow buckets will hold about 10 lures and cost about a dollar. When it comes to spending on fishing stuff I need to pick my battles.
IMO the Justencase boxes look awesome just not that convenient if you lack space or jump from boat to boat.
indianafisher
Posted 11/30/2009 6:31 PM (#410306 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes


Gander Mountain in indianapolis has the green flambou(sp)hanging tackle boxes that are normaly for sale at $50 when they rang it up came out to 19.95. One heck of a deal if you ask me.
sworrall
Posted 11/30/2009 8:18 PM (#410322 - in reply to #410277)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes





Posts: 32886


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Flambeauski - 11/30/2009 3:18 PM

Everyone's situation is different. If I had a 20 foot boat that I fished out of 100% of the time the Justencase is great. Suppose I'm fishing with a friend who has a 17 foot boat and a Justencase of his own. We wouldn't have room for the beer or the dog. Styrofoam minnow buckets will hold about 10 lures and cost about a dollar. When it comes to spending on fishing stuff I need to pick my battles.
IMO the Justencase boxes look awesome just not that convenient if you lack space or jump from boat to boat.


I fish a 16'9" boat most of the time. I have a Just Encase box I move from that boat to my 20 footer, to friend's boats, and back to my 1690 all the time. Its compact but efficient design allows plenty of room in my rig for other stuff. Remember, you can get any size Just Encase you wish as a custom build. Not a bit inconvenient, and I'm not sure why you would assume it would be unless you order a really large one.
PIKEMASTER
Posted 12/1/2009 8:15 AM (#410366 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes





Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160
]smj617 - 11/25/2009 7:33 PM

Why are musky tackle boxes so limited and expensive? Its ridiculus. All I need is a box that will hold about 30 medium sized musky lures (nothing over 10") and about 15 large safety pin style spinnerbaits. And maybe a compartment that will hold some leaders, pliers, and odds and ends. There are a couple of boxes that look promising but they dont either hold spinnerbaits or the compartments are way to deep or they just plain cost to much. Bass anglers are lucky, they have a million boxes to choose from. Looks like I will just have to make something.


The encase boxes are nice but they start at $100.00 for the smallest one !!!!!
smj617 wants some ideas that don't cost starting at $100.00
Read his post
MikeHulbert
Posted 12/1/2009 8:54 AM (#410375 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes





Posts: 2427


Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana
Don't forget out the custom boxes that Mark can build from Muskie Bumper, maker of the best bump boards out there. He did this box for me. 55 inches long, holds over 200 lures. Cost of one of these is ALOT cheaper than you think....just a few bucks more than a monster Lakewood. Mark can make them with a lid as well. I didn't want one on my box, but some people do. You can stand on this box without any issues what so ever. Custom built boxes for any boat that will hold over 200 baits for around $200...pretty sweet deal if you ask me! I also want to add that each slot is 4.25x4.25 inches, plenty big enough for 3 pounders in one square. The box also has short "legs" on it that keep it above my drain and seat bases.



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sworrall
Posted 12/1/2009 9:47 AM (#410383 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes





Posts: 32886


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
I did read his post, PM. So did everyone else here. He said Muskie boxes are 'limited and expensive'. As compared to what....a reel? Good high quality rod? A few baits?

The Just Encase isn't limited, one can be designed to fit any specific need. And by comparison to the gear he seems to want to store in the box, not all that expensive. He didn't set a low end price; nor did he set a high end price.

And, some very 'inexpensive' options were suggested. I just feel skimping on the box you store $500 to $2000.00 worth of baits in makes no real sense.

bturg
Posted 12/1/2009 9:54 AM (#410389 - in reply to #410375)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes




Posts: 716


If you want a cheap setup there are a number of them out there, Plano Boxes in a duffel, Plano muskie boxes etc. The reality is everyone has a different need and a different budget. There are cheap rods, cheap reels, cheap tackle storage systems etc. But try jamming your $25 pounders, 14" Jakes, And SuperModels into the small slots and holes in the lower end products and you will see a need for something bigger and better. Spend what you want and can afford.....if you can afford the best you will only have to buy it once....and that is what value is really about.
Muskerboy
Posted 12/1/2009 2:26 PM (#410434 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes





Posts: 727


These aren't a bad price and they have a couple in musky size.
http://www.bbbaitbox.com/
muskyjackson
Posted 12/1/2009 5:16 PM (#410454 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes




Posts: 11


heres what i did for a tackle box, and it only cost about 20 bucks! you get an old milk crate and then get some pvc downspout for gutters and cut that down to size and put them in the milk crate. it works perfectly and will hold probably up to 40 or 50 baits.
rob.s
Posted 12/1/2009 7:46 PM (#410472 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes




Posts: 136


Location: Chicago
I use the musky crate also. Small to medium size baits i use 3'' pvc pipe .


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Steve Jonesi
Posted 12/2/2009 7:05 PM (#410581 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes


Hahahaha.I sold my 20 footer and was in and out of 14-17' boats all season with the model I have. Aw heck, ya don't even need a box for a couple Cowgirls and a fist full of Rubba.LOL. Stupid fish.
Chasin50
Posted 12/2/2009 8:27 PM (#410602 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes




Posts: 380


Location: Michigan
Everyone has different needs and frankly my own needs change depending on whether I am trolling or casting, and what lake I plan to fish. IMOHO, there is no perfect boxt in general... I think finding a box for a very specific need is the way to go about this...

If you can find a readily availble box that suits your needs for a certain situation, great, you will save money... More than likely a custom is going to be your best bet at the perfect box for you.

I personally have tried many different boxes through the years. One of my favorites for trolling baits is no longer available that I know of, but it was a guy selling large grey Plano boxes with clear inserts. Seems to me it was a tool and die guy doing this on the side. I can get 100 wileys in one of those bad boys... And, it is nice and compact.

I now also use the deep plano boxes to hold various baits. I put these in/out of the boat as needed depending on where I fish.

Most recently, I bit the bullet on 2 Justencase boxes. Bob was very helpful through the design process for my very specific needs. Nothing too fancy, but very specific end use.

I also have a couple lakewoods I use just for casting baits. I may also make the switch away from those if i can find a better solution. Justencase is a strong possibility.

In short, can't have just one, and there is no perfect "one".
muskyroller
Posted 12/2/2009 9:02 PM (#410608 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes




Posts: 1039


Location: North St. Paul, MN
I use the Musky Bucket from Rollie and Helen's. It works great for boat hopping. I can store larger dawgs in the middle and spinnerbaits wherever I choose. I then super glued velcro straps around it and store my "tools" between two pieces of velcro.

Works for me, right around 25$

Steve
JRedig
Posted 12/2/2009 10:20 PM (#410618 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes




Location: Twin Cities
I can say without question, avoid the bucher "big game" tackle box. I got one as a present and it is a NIGHTMARE to get lures out of. Any rubber baits bigger than a regular bulldawg or 8 inch crank get hung up in the box and you have to pull everything out together to unhook it. Or maybe i finally found a use for my hook pic...
Sway
Posted 7/8/2010 12:40 PM (#449021 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes


I don't think anyone mentioned the Special Mate boxes, more specifically the model 134c5 and model 8225s. Anyone use these?

http://www.jacksonlures.com/Commerce2/Mate.htm
Makintrax73
Posted 7/8/2010 3:24 PM (#449054 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes





Posts: 156


smj617 - 11/25/2009 7:33 PM

Why are musky tackle boxes so limited and expensive? Its ridiculus. All I need is a box that will hold about 30 medium sized musky lures (nothing over 10") and about 15 large safety pin style spinnerbaits. And maybe a compartment that will hold some leaders, pliers, and odds and ends. There are a couple of boxes that look promising but they dont either hold spinnerbaits or the compartments are way to deep or they just plain cost to much. Bass anglers are lucky, they have a million boxes to choose from. Looks like I will just have to make something.


This tackle bag:

http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_1...

It is on sale for $25. Buy the bag along with 3 plano 3730's - they fit exactly into the main compartment, or you can mix and match 3730's and 3700's. You can fit another smaller Plano in the front compartment for leaders, etc., and there are two side pockets for release tools, maps, etc. All in less than $50.
Lay In A Line
Posted 7/11/2010 10:33 PM (#449478 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes


Lakewood Products make quality musky boxes in different sizes and configurations. Lakewood is a family owned company located north of Green Bay. Steve has always be a huge supporter of our local MUSKIE'S Inc chapter. Check out their fine products.

http://www.lakewoodproducts.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_...

Kevin
jackson
Posted 7/12/2010 10:05 AM (#449509 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes




Posts: 582


I did exactly what Rob S did, built my own using milk crates and PVC gutter material. For about $10 each. They work great and contain the hooks to the inside.
gman
Posted 7/18/2010 10:48 AM (#450547 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes


This is what i made
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fish4musky1
Posted 7/18/2010 12:17 PM (#450563 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes





Location: Northern Wisconsin
A milk crate with plastic downspout will hold quite a few lures and safety pin style spinners. You can also insert a bottom to one of the downspout sections and hold leaders. I have found pliers and other tools fit perfectly in between the space created where the rounded corners of 4 tubes come together. Easy to make and cheap, works for me.
Capt.Blaine
Posted 7/18/2010 12:32 PM (#450567 - in reply to #449478)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes





Posts: 91


Location: Duluth MN
I see allot of people saying that nice musky cases are too expensive. But let’s really think about this. You buy a nice case for around $150. Let’s just say you put 40 baits in it. And let’s say each one of those baits are about the cost of a CG. That would be $1,000 in baits. And baits don’t last for ever a nice case will out last many types of bait.

If you fish walleyes you probably spend about $50-$100 for a nice box, and a hard core walleye fisherman not counting stick baits probably has around $150-$250 in tackle. Maybe walleye type boxes are to expensive?

IMO when spending $1,000 + for baits a nice protective case that’s fits all lures for a $150 doesn’t seem too bad.

I have chosen to protect my investment of baits with the Just Encase boxes. I really like the fact that they protect your baits from UV rays and you can see all your baits with out pulling up each one looking for a specific color.


muskie! nut
Posted 7/18/2010 1:01 PM (#450574 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes





Posts: 2894


Location: Yahara River Chain
For me it was a matter of practicality, not price. I want an open air box and I always remove my baits when done and place them on a board. The fact that I save $140 making the milk/crate was a unintended benefit.
Yake Bait
Posted 7/18/2010 2:11 PM (#450581 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes





Posts: 388


Here are some more PVC and downspout square tube options:
cajun84
Posted 7/19/2010 10:54 AM (#450730 - in reply to #449478)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes




Posts: 196


Well, it sounds like you are in the same spot as me and one of my friends earlier this year! We just started out for Musky this year and we don't have a ton of money to spend. What we did is shop around. For example, you can have the most amazing lure made and the best tackle box made, but if you don't have a reel that will be able to pull the lure, then you still don't have anything! Basically, what I am getting at is, I know where the guy is coming from, you want decent stuff, but it is expensive, however you have to have descent stuff all the way around to get the job done. What I would suggest is post on here in the buy/sell section what you are after. There are some really nice people on here and they will help you out. By buying the stuff used you can get quality stuff for what the cheap stuff would cost you new. As for the box itself, everyone on here has made good suggestions. I personally have a Lakewood Musky Magnum Monster. I bought mine new for under $75! What you have to do is watch stores such as Gander Mountain, Bass pro, Cabelas, etc.....each year they will clearance the last years boxes and you can pick them up cheap! Like I said I bought mine new this year for under $75 and Gander.....it normally sells for $150 +.....but this one was a 2009 model. If you need some more help, just let me know. I will do my best.
CU301DSV
Posted 7/19/2010 11:45 AM (#450743 - in reply to #450730)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes





Posts: 906


Location: Canada
My buddy has been using this old truck storage box that we've cleaned up and installed (fits nicely too!) at the back of the boat. It has the entire one side so far tubed with PVC pipe and the other side fits a big water Plano box full of buck tails. The box is also used for other storage needs, the boats lights, oil and tools etc. This doubles as a casting deck and hides the gas tanks along with the batteries. Another nice option with this is that it locks and is way too heavy stacked full for anyone to lift out and steal.


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Shoot2Kill
Posted 7/20/2010 10:53 AM (#450894 - in reply to #449478)
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Got this idea from another site and built this a month or so ago - total cost - about $15, 3" plastic gutter down spout and liquid nails, total construction time - 30 minutes. I boat hopped with it and it works perfectly. Just recently added another 1" pvc pipe on the side for my Knipex.

You could make one of these any size you want....the next one I make might have a 1 x 2 frame so it is an actual "box" all the same height. Mount a strap on the frame and boat hop all summer long for under 20 bones. If I can make it, I make it - instead of buying it....gives me more satisfaction. Still trying to find a way to make finsaver net. haha.








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Shoot2Kill
Posted 7/20/2010 10:58 AM (#450895 - in reply to #450743)
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CU301DSV - 7/19/2010 11:45 AM

My buddy has been using this old truck storage box that we've cleaned up and installed (fits nicely too!) at the back of the boat. It has the entire one side so far tubed with PVC pipe and the other side fits a big water Plano box full of buck tails. The box is also used for other storage needs, the boats lights, oil and tools etc. This doubles as a casting deck and hides the gas tanks along with the batteries. Another nice option with this is that it locks and is way too heavy stacked full for anyone to lift out and steal.


That is GENIOUS! What a perfect fit!
CU301DSV
Posted 7/20/2010 11:57 AM (#450906 - in reply to #450895)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes





Posts: 906


Location: Canada
Shoot2Kill - 7/20/2010 11:58 AM

CU301DSV - 7/19/2010 11:45 AM

My buddy has been using this old truck storage box that we've cleaned up and installed (fits nicely too!) at the back of the boat. It has the entire one side so far tubed with PVC pipe and the other side fits a big water Plano box full of buck tails. The box is also used for other storage needs, the boats lights, oil and tools etc. This doubles as a casting deck and hides the gas tanks along with the batteries. Another nice option with this is that it locks and is way too heavy stacked full for anyone to lift out and steal.


That is GENIOUS! What a perfect fit!


I'll see if I can get a couple more pics of it inside.
PSYS
Posted 7/20/2010 12:12 PM (#450913 - in reply to #409808)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes





Posts: 1030


Location: APPLETON, WI
+1

That honestly is a pretty solid idea. If you can make it work and it's easy to use... why not?

I've got a Flambeau Maximizer... weighs nearly 50-pounds and the baits get all tangled together and messy. But I think it's just inevitable with the size of the baits, hooks and limited space. I think in order to keep things neat and tidy... you really need to incoporate a storage case that is built right into the boat. i.e., Just Encase, etc, etc.
Minnesotamuskyhunter
Posted 2/23/2013 12:27 AM (#619858 - in reply to #410375)
Subject: RE: tackle boxes


I was wondering if you knew his email.
Average Joe
Posted 2/24/2013 9:55 AM (#620111 - in reply to #409869)
Subject: Re: tackle boxes





Posts: 265


Location: Hudson,WI
sworrall - 11/26/2009 9:19 AM

We pay up to $50 for a GIANT lure yet complain when a tackle box designed specifically to hold the things costs about 20% of the intended contents? $400 for a reel, $120 to $300 for a rod...it's because we want, as a group, to use and store securely our HUGE gear.

Just invest in a Just Encase and you will never need another box...and he'll build you your box to order if you like.


Bob from Just Encase is a great guy, very easy to work with and he'll build anything you can imagine. You do get what you pay for, and he makes the best boxes around!!