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| Where should I be presenting my suckers on deep, clear cisco based lakes that have little or no productive weed areas? The lake does have a ton of rock structure. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | 20-40' down, and near the bottom!
I usually run the boat in 25-30' of water near structure, and 30-40' of water when on deep breaks that don't have much structure. |
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Location: Mayville, WI | If you're rowing them (and in WI), put one on a float about half way down the water column along w/ one on the bottom.
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Location: Chicago, IL | just too add to the good advice already given
look for transition areas of soft to hard bottom as well
keep your eye on your locator and fish bait pods too
good luck! |
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| Thanks for the good advice guys I got this one yestrerday morning in 27' of water with the sucker on the bottom and another smaller one on Saturday out of 26' fow.
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Wasn't there just a thread on fizzing muskies and the dangers of bringing fish out of deep water???
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=53... |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Treats, have you personally had an issue with a musky release as pertains to this thread? I personally have had ZERO issues with releasing a fish that ate a sucker running this deep. Main thing is to not horse the fish it. Rather give them the berries to set the hook, and then take your time bringing them up.
Again, I have had ZERO issues catching fish on sucker this deep. |
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| I have had problems releasing after finessing a fish to the boat that came out of 20 feet. It isn't safe for the fish - Also, I believe in the Muskies inc. member by laws it talks about members refraining from fish deeper than 25' or something to that effect.
Sure it can be done without harm... Anything is possible?
Interestingly enough... The two words I have to type to submit reply are :
Wat & fishkill
Ironic huh? |
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| Nice fish, really dark colors. Also I love the lunchbox  |
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Location: Stones throw away...finally!! | I am all for releasing fish safely, but at some point, does too much become too much? Honestly people, can't we just congratulate a guy for a nice fish without criticizing something. They are just fish by the way and last I checked, we were putting trebles in their mouth. I am quite sure that more fish are harmed by the hooks in their grill than by bringing them out of 20 ft. Just something to think about.
To the angler: Nice job and sorry for ranting on your thread. |
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Location: SE Wisconsin | There are several voices I don't question when talking fishing, especially open water fishing, and that's Travis. |
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| WOW. Enough is enough already. Seriously. Just be happy people are at least trying to release fish now. Most of the people that catch Muskies on my home river dont know what catch and release is.
Nice fish DJS! Keep it up and when you get back out... try 28ft. The bigger girls may be deeper  |
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Location: N.FIB | nice fish,glad the deep sucker worked for you.
not every fish you release is gonna live,so fishing is bad for the fish,but,,,it`s only a fish!!!!!!! |
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Location: Pelican Rapids, MN | I think as musky fishing grows in popularity, so does the array of tactics used to put fish in the boat. It is not a new presentation to deep drop suckers, but it has been a controversial issue, when people talk about angling with some of the fishes safety in mind. I have deep dropped, I know big time pro's that have done it, and still probably do.
DJS SHOULD be congratulated on his catch and being successful learning a new tactic so quickly. However, it doesn't take away the truth that there is a higher mortality rate from pulling fish out of deep water. It shouldn't be ignored.
The reason for this IMO is not because of the depth of the fish, but the haste of the fisherman to put that fish in the bag, get the glory shot or six, and start fishing again. The bloated slow release is just too time consuming for some. And when that fish swims off and pops up again and again up-side-down, some just call it dead, try and fizz it, flop it in their live well, or just let it float to it's actual death. In MN many of those deep fish are big. Thus requiring by some a dozen photo's, two or three measurements, and way too much handling of a stressed, bloated, fish in a state of shock. Of course there are exceptions - And some of the fish caught swim off with a swoosh.
The problem is many will go to any length to catch a fish - Even if it is harmful. Some out of inexperience some out of just not caring. There are other ways, so why use a tactic that could have a more negative end result.
Of course it is just a fish - But you won't think that way when the lake you fish goes dead by that train of thought. |
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| the water is too hot ---don't fish. The water is too deep Don't fish. I must say we have went off the "deep" end on this topic. MD |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | IMO 25 to 40' is not too deep to fish muskies. I have caught MULTIPLE...actually well over two hundred..muskies that deep on jigs, and have never had one yet in the net with an expanded air bladder. Never had one float, or go upside down, either..but I have using surface baits in 10'. My experience is at around 50' panfish, walleyes, bass, and pike brought up fast decompress quickly and have air bladder problems (never caught a muskie that deep), but never in under 40 feet. Think about it, we were just up on Vermilion, and most of the fish raised were in 35' or so under the bait, and followed in on Dawgs or deep diving cranks, or were caught trolling. If decompression would cause those fish problems, evolution would have taken care of the fish even being interested in eating anything near the surface out of 35'
Nice fish, DJS.
Howie Meyer fishes in the 25 to 30' range with suckers catching multiple big girls on TINY lakes up in N Wi, and has no problems with clean releases. If he was 'killing' the fish, there would be none left.
My 1and 1/9 cents worth.
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| Regarding the last post that problems start around 50'. I dont know where you fish, but if I catch walleyes in over 20', sometimes less than 20', they offen times come up with their air bladder in their mouth! I would have to say that 50' is way off. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I fish in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, and all over, even once in awhile over by Eau Claire. I stand by my comments, and by the way, I spend a TON of time ice fishing water up to 40' deep and do not see problems unless I'm fishing deeper; one lake I frequent offers stunning panfish opportunities, but all in 30 to 38', never had an air bladder out of a fish's mouth there. I just covered an event (FLW Walleye Tour Championship) and saw the fish up close that were caught in more than 20' swimming around in the weigh tank. None had an air bladder problem.
Since I have literally caught a couple hundred muskies over my career out of 20' and more and have never...not once...seen an air bladder problem, it's going to be tough to get me to change my opinion. |
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Location: Pelican Rapids, MN | Like I said, I don't think it's the depth of the fish but often the haste and excitement of the angler that cause the demise of the deeply dropped fish. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Could be Jerry, I'm not often either. |
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| Plenty of reputable guides and experienced anglers release TONS of fish every year caught by this method, and these are guys fishing little pothole lakes that are 100 - 400 acres. Those lakes could easily be "fished out" if they were killing fish on a regular basis by bringing them out of deep water. Do I "KNOW" this tactic doesn't kill the occasional fish? I don't know for sure, but when you make your living on little pothole lakes with big muskies in them, you won't have a job very long if what you do to catch them killls very many. I know a lot of reputable guides who use this method, and if it was dangerous to the fish they wouldn't do it. I'd venture to say the god#*^@ 34" size limit is why there aren't more and bigger muskies caught in WI's cisco lakes, but that's a whole other topic.
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Location: New Hope MN | Guest - 10/24/2009 10:54 AM
Regarding the last post that problems start around 50'. I dont know where you fish, but if I catch walleyes in over 20', sometimes less than 20', they offen times come up with their air bladder in their mouth! I would have to say that 50' is way off.
That's what happens when you let them swallow the hook. |
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