Rainbow record genetically engineered
muskiewhored
Posted 9/16/2009 6:18 PM (#400229)
Subject: Rainbow record genetically engineered





Location: Oswego, IL
This just made Yahoo front page.

In an age of biotechnological juicing, not even the easygoing pastime of fishing is free from controversies over artificial enhancement.

On September 5, Saskatchewan fisherman Sean Konrad caught a 48-pound, world-record rainbow trout. The fish came from Lake Diefenbaker, where trout genetically engineered to grow extra-big escaped from a fish farm nine years ago.

The previous world record was held by Sean’s twin brother Adam, who pulled a 43-pound, 10-ounce rainbow trout from Lake Diefenbaker in 2007. That catch sparked online debate over the legitimacy of Lake Diefenbaker’s farm-born, genetically-engineered rainbows. Technically known as triploids, they’re designed with three sets of chromosomes, making them sterile and channeling energies normally spent reproducing towards growth.

In 2007, on a message board of the International Game Fish Association, the angling world’s record- and ethics-keeping body, some fishermen argued that triploids were unnatural, as divorced from the sport’s history as Barry Bonds’ home runs were from Hank Aaron’s.

The IGFA refused to make a distinction between natural and GM fish. Neither would they distinguish between species caught in their traditional waters and those introduced into new, growth-friendly environments, such as largemouth bass whose extra-large ancestors were imported from Florida to California in the 1960s.

But to purists, there was a difference between transplantation and outright manufacture.

The Konrad brothers’ response on the message board was curt: “Stop crying and start fishing.”

Now they’ve caught another record-breaking trout. Or have they?



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sworrall
Posted 9/16/2009 6:27 PM (#400232 - in reply to #400229)
Subject: Re: Rainbow record genetically engineered





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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
I'd say they have. Let's genetically engineer some muskies and release them in MY lake X, please.

I have zero problem fishing hybrid bluegills, either. Big buggers, those can be.
muskiewhored
Posted 9/16/2009 6:36 PM (#400235 - in reply to #400229)
Subject: Re: Rainbow record genetically engineered





Location: Oswego, IL
Exactly Worrall, just imagine if a muskie that got that same juice! a bluegill would be the size of a tennis racket!
Tone
Posted 9/16/2009 7:01 PM (#400244 - in reply to #400235)
Subject: Re: Rainbow record genetically engineered




Posts: 215


Location: Wisconsin
He caught the fish, didn't load it with crap to make it heavier. I say the record should stand.

Now the thought of a muskie on "Vitamin S" sounds interesting, imagine a blue gill that was big enough to hit a bulldog??
Tackle Industries
Posted 9/16/2009 8:13 PM (#400250 - in reply to #400229)
Subject: Re: Rainbow record genetically engineered





Posts: 4053


Location: Land of the Musky
Heres to the 139lb musky in 9 years!!!
Pointerpride102
Posted 9/16/2009 8:14 PM (#400251 - in reply to #400229)
Subject: Re: Rainbow record genetically engineered





Posts: 16632


Location: The desert
Got to watch out for the trout elitists. They wont like any of your catches if you don't have the correct salmon colored Colombia surf shirt, khaki's and sun hat. They make musky elitists look like red necks.
CLARK1
Posted 9/16/2009 8:21 PM (#400255 - in reply to #400232)
Subject: Re: Rainbow record genetically engineered




Posts: 57


sworrall - 9/16/2009 6:27 PM

I'd say they have. Let's genetically engineer some muskies and release them in MY lake X, please.

I have zero problem fishing hybrid bluegills, either. Big buggers, those can be.


Steve, in 2008 North Carolina produced 1500 muskie fingerings that where tripliods. They were produced as a test for potential future stockings. The Biologist wanted to control the population with no chance of future reproduction. However the fingerlings were donated to another state for stocking. After seeing this, sure wish they where placed in my Lake X.

Edited by CLARK1 9/16/2009 8:23 PM
MuskyHopeful
Posted 9/16/2009 8:49 PM (#400263 - in reply to #400229)
Subject: RE: Rainbow record genetically engineered





Posts: 2865


Location: Brookfield, WI
So these fish are engineered to be sterile, correct? So they don't breed out of control and endanger the ecosystem?

So were the dinosaurs on Isla Nublar and Isla Sorna. And we all know how that turned out. Nature always finds a way.

Kevin
Guest
Posted 9/16/2009 10:41 PM (#400294 - in reply to #400229)
Subject: RE: Rainbow record genetically engineered


Seems like a genetically altered fish should be a different species. Why not just have a separate record if you can distinguish them?
firstsixfeet
Posted 9/16/2009 10:45 PM (#400296 - in reply to #400229)
Subject: Re: Rainbow record genetically engineered




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The IGFA cannot make that decision, because if it were to decide on a classification like that, every potential record would now be held up as a potential triploid or there would be a whispering campaign against all future records. History is a big enough mess already when it comes to fish records.
dtaijo174
Posted 9/17/2009 9:50 AM (#400345 - in reply to #400229)
Subject: Re: Rainbow record genetically engineered





Posts: 1169


Location: New Hope MN
Reminds me of the super cow youtube video. Can you imagine..? I would think twice about washing the pike slime off my hands!
Guest
Posted 9/17/2009 11:31 AM (#400367 - in reply to #400229)
Subject: RE: Rainbow record genetically engineered


That is one ugly fish.
Will Schultz
Posted 9/17/2009 11:42 AM (#400373 - in reply to #400296)
Subject: Re: Rainbow record genetically engineered





Location: Grand Rapids, MI

firstsixfeet - 9/16/2009 11:45 PM The IGFA cannot make that decision, because if it were to decide on a classification like that, every potential record would now be held up as a potential triploid or there would be a whispering campaign against all future records. History is a big enough mess already when it comes to fish records.

AND... who's to say all previous records, of any species, weren't a genetic freak? I can't imagine them genetically testing every record past and present.

Brian
Posted 9/17/2009 12:30 PM (#400384 - in reply to #400229)
Subject: RE: Rainbow record genetically engineered


I don't care if it is a frankenfish. I would sure like to catch one. Someone, please do this for muskies!

Brian
muskyhunter24
Posted 9/17/2009 12:33 PM (#400386 - in reply to #400244)
Subject: Re: Rainbow record genetically engineered





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Location: Madison WI
Tone - 9/16/2009 7:01 PM

Now the thought of a muskie on "Vitamin S" sounds interesting, imagine a blue gill that was big enough to hit a bulldog??


Don't think it won't happen, I had a 13-14 inch pike demolish a dawg last night, and biggest gill I have caught in the last couple of yrs was 11-12", they may be able to hit it, but fitting it in there mouth would be the true challenge.
DanFan
Posted 9/17/2009 12:50 PM (#400393 - in reply to #400367)
Subject: RE: Rainbow record genetically engineered


LOL. The fish reminds me of a line from Arnold in Predator.