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Location: In the cabbage | Which reel is better for muskie the HS or the non HS? And the 61 size is the one to get correct??
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Location: Oshkosh | I would go with the non HS in the 61 size. The 5.4:1 is a more versitile reel that can be used for most fishing situaions. I have one and absolutely love it.
Peter
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Location: In the cabbage | What does the high speed version do thats no good? |
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| IMO there is not one that is better for muskys in general, one might be better for an individual purpose than the other but they are both great reels. The HS (6.4/1) would be best on a rod used for pulling in slack line like a glide bait or jerk bait rod. The Winch (4.6'1 gears) would be best for DC10's and big crank baits ang the standard (5.4/1) would be the best all around reel, agian IMO. |
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Location: Oswego, IL | Agree with reelman. Its all depends on what you are using it for. if you want one for all your applications, the 5/4/1 would be fine IMO. I use my 6/4/1 on topwater and glide/jerk baits. 5/4/1 on bucktails and plastics. And soon 4/6/1 on slow rolling bucktails and big cranks. |
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Location: In the cabbage | KK so the 5/4/1 could throw about everything there is, are these good reels? |
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| YEs the 5.4 would be the best for a general purpose musky reel. I noticed you mentioned the 61, just ot be clear you do know that the 61 is a left handed reel. If you wanted a right handed reel you would go with the 60. The 5 size Toros (50 and 51) are plenty enough for musky but I prefer the 6 sized ones as they seem to balance out a big rod better. |
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Location: In the cabbage | Yes I do need a left handed reel ( all those years of spin casting ) But would I be better with a 61 or a 51? Im going to use it for everything from DC10's to big rubber to everything. |
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Location: Oswego, IL | I dont know what the heck happened to me but i use a spin with my left, but baitcaster with my right. WTf, thanks dad! lol
Shotgun, 5/4/1 would be best suited for mulitple use. The line cap is the only diff on the 50/60 or 51/61 whatever. Ahhh actually if you looking to heavy crank - pounders and big 10+'s and bigger may want to think about the 4/6/1. I dont know to be honest i dont have that one at home yet, should be soon though~ |
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Location: In the cabbage | I have a okuma Induron 400 series, So im trying to have 2 rods to throw almost everything, I have a browning citori with a 4000 series shimano reel ( spin cast ) for the smaller baits, a Browning medallion GT ( 2-10 oz )with the induron 400 on it and im looking for the toro to finish it off, I hope that what I typed makes sense.
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Location: Yahara River Chain | reelman - 9/8/2009 2:29 PM
just ot be clear you do know that the 61 is a left handed reel. If you wanted a right handed reel you would go with the 60.
Let's be real clear here. The 61 is a true "right handed" reel. You have no physical advantage switching hands while casting. And frankly I don't understand why most of you do it????? It make no sense. But do whatever you want. |
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Location: In the cabbage | So whats a true right handed reel? I thought the handle was on the left side???? Wow im lost ( 2 hrs of sleep last night )
muskie! nut - 9/8/2009 4:24 PM
reelman - 9/8/2009 2:29 PM
just ot be clear you do know that the 61 is a left handed reel. If you wanted a right handed reel you would go with the 60.
Let's be real clear here. The 61 is a true "right handed" reel. You have no physical advantage switching hands while casting. And frankly I don't understand why most of you do it????? It make no sense. But do whatever you want. |
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Location: Oshkosh | This is a picture of a Toro 60, what I consider to be a right handed reel, cause you use your right hand to crank the reel. http://www.abugarcia.com/prod.php?k=132609&sk=132584&u=REVOTORO#zoo...
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Location: In the cabbage | Yep, I use my left hand to crank |
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Location: Oshkosh | Then you want a 61
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Location: In the cabbage | Another reel I was told to check out is the abu garcia 7000 rocket? Any one ever tried this? Also I dont see a toro with 4/6/1. what reel would that be?
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Location: Yahara River Chain | BUT the facts are that you are better off using the rod in your dominate hand. That means harder, quicker hooksets, better imparting of action of lures and no wasting time switch hands back and forth when you cast or fighting fish. I'd just once would like to hear one physical advantage of switching hands. Just one. Anybody??????
BTW - Most all left handed guys I know use right side crank reels. |
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Location: In the cabbage | I couldent agree with muskie! nut more, I use left side crank reels because my right arm is stronger to fight the fish and its easier to cast and not switch hands.
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| Why does it mean harder, quicker hook sets? I gaurentee you that I am much quicker and more powerful using my left hand to hold the rod because that's what I've been doing forever. In real life the difference is so small, if any, that it doesn't matter.
One advantage could be that by switching hands you use more muscles and therfore don't wear the one's from just one arm down so quickly.
And just so we don't confuse anybody and so we say it correctly a 60 is a true left handed reel. Tell me one reel company that calls there reels with the crank on the right side a left handed reel. Everytime this comes up someone has to try to confuse everyone by talking about which arm is dominant. It's real simple, crank on right side = right handed reel. Crank on left side = left handed reel. |
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Location: Oswego, IL | muskie! nut - 9/8/2009 4:53 PM
BUT the facts are that you are better off using the rod in your dominate hand. That means harder, quicker hooksets, better imparting of action of lures and no wasting time switch hands back and forth when you cast or fighting fish. I'd just once would like to hear one physical advantage of switching hands. Just one. Anybody??????
BTW - Most all left handed guys I know use right side crank reels.
Physical advantage of switching hands: while in mid cast you see your neighbor and have to waive. Or in mid flight you have to check your cell phone. Or in mid flight somebody just flew between you and the shore and you give them the finger.
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Location: In the cabbage | Any one know what toro has 4/6/1? if not ill go with the reg. toro, are the any other suggestions as a better reel for the money. |
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Location: Oswego, IL | I believe its the Wench. 4/6/1. And IMO No better for the money. |
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| Sign me up for a "wench". Every man needs one of those:)
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Location: In the cabbage | So what would yall say , winch or regular 61 toro? |
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Location: Hugo, MN | The 5.4:1 will be fine for what you want to do. The 4/6/1 mentioned above should have read 4.6:1. That is the Winch, and is made for hard pulling baits such as double tens. I think since you're also planning on using lots of different baits with the reel that the 5.4:1 ratio will best suit your need. Definitely get the 60 size, extra line capacity is good. |
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Location: In the cabbage | The Induron I have I was told had a 5:1:1 gear ratio, So should I get the 4:6:1 in that case?
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Location: Indiana | The Toro is a sweet reel. I am running 2 of the 5.4:1 models. I however went with the 50 size. It is a little more comfortable, and to me that is the reason for a low profile reel. (I do have large hands and can notice a difference).
Where most are making the point of the 60 size is the additional line pickup at a full cast. When you actually compare the difference in line pickup at that distance from a 60 to 50 size, you are talking very few inches per handle turn. For me the 50 is worth it.
If I want a reel for a specific technique like burning, I will get a reel set up for that, not try to make another tool do the job. The Toro 50 5.4:1 is a multipurpose reel and does it quite well IMHO. |
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Location: In the cabbage | I think thats the reel for me, But I do also like the skeet reese reel! |
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Location: In the cabbage | I think thats the reel for me, But I do also like the skeet reese reel! |
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Location: Oswego, IL | I called it "Wench" Ahhhh hahaa I still cant wait for my "Wench" to get here! |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | I see you are putting the "whore" in muskiewhored.  |
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Location: Oswego, IL | Always! lol.
Hey Nut, did you see my three physical reasons to switch hands on the reel? I thought you'd like that. lol Hows the NBITE been? |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Yes, I did, but just what is a "waive"??? Also you don't have to give me a digit, being so blind, I might miss it. Save it for someone else.
I don't know if the NBITE is going. I was only out last Tuesday (over a week ago) and it wasn't happening then. |
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Location: Oswego, IL | Darn it Muskie! Nut, you always seem to bust my chops! Thanks for the spelling lesson:) Seen Pete M on your turf lately? How the site going over there? Got blocked here at work. |
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| no offense - I just couldn't resist on the "wench" comment |
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Location: Oswego, IL | Landry - 9/9/2009 4:37 PM
no offense - I just couldn't resist on the "wench" comment
I laughed myself, but I will continue to call it that, just because I like it! no offense taken. |
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Location: In the cabbage | Any idea about the induron gear ratio being good for what use? |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | The Induron reels are not made anymore, TORO 60 5.4:1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SKEET REESE REEL ARE FOR BASS !!!!!!!! |
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Location: Oswego, IL | Shotgunlew, I think you are getting to much different advice, your all over the place with this reel now. The higher the ratio the faster your speed. Cranking power will be lower gear ratio. From all the stuff your talking about, PIKEMASTER is right on, get something geared in the middle and you will not be upset because you can use it for about everything muskie. |
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Location: In the cabbage | I have a couple of the guys I fish with telling me all different things , I want a lower gear ratio, I calcutta 201xt for a pretty good deal, I just dont know if its 2 small, I am sorry tho bout all the questions, I was a hardcore bass guy for 2 long! |
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Location: Oswego, IL | I dont mind you asking questions Lew, sorry to come off like that. Problem is if you have all your friends telling you all different things, then you get on the internet and ask more people you will be that much more confused on what to get. See what I mean? Narrow it down, how much money are you willing to spend? Are you cranking with your LEFT hand or Right? Price may will cut a lot of reels out
Also if you are new to the muskie, IMO best and first thing to do before buying "THE" mack daddy reel, is get all the proper CPR tools first, then go nutz on other gear.
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Location: In the cabbage | I have been muskie fishing my whole life just not the seriously, Ive caught some , But now im to the point that I eat sleep and breath esox fishing, IM hooked, and I have all the CPR tools (I think ) my fishing partner and best friend, his dads a diehard musky guy ( caught a 57 I wanna say ) use to fish with len hartman so he taught us alot BUT, When it comes to reels, I thought i knew a bunch until I bought a induron and it lasted a week. |
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Location: Oswego, IL | Lol yeah I assume you were trying to burn blades then, or ripping big plastic. Not the reel IMO. Toro has been tough, minor issues I hear if any. Not bad for 1st generation reel though. I will buy more as they come and cant wait for the "Winch" to get here, or as I say "Wench" |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | This reminds me of a guy that wanted his lake map marked. After 20 some guys marked the map, it had every rock and weedbed marked in the entire lake. Do you think he got some good advice on where to fish??? I think if someone is looking for info, give as much background detail on what where and when etc you are using it. This way you get the advice you need and are not all over the board like what we have here.
Lew, my advice, pick out a couple of guys that you would trust here and try pm them and get what you need that way. This furom is doing you know good. Good luck. |
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Location: Oswego, IL | Nut, I would say that "guy" your talking about just got a HD version of a paper map, hopefully he saved it. Lew, talk to your buddies dad - much better chance to get non-bias answers and from what you said he is a die hard so he should know whats up. Good luck. |
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Location: In the cabbage | Hes not current with gear, He uses old fenwick rods and abu reels ( not that theres anything wrong with that setup just I cant get that old stuff so its hard to ask him ) |
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Location: Oswego, IL | Well listen to Muskie Nut, from what I have gathered he is very informal. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Yeah what the mwhored says. Very informal and I don't have a tux or even a suit with a tie. Too much like a noose! |
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Abu Garcia Revo Toro LH61 hs or non hs?