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| Crap! Taking pics of a fish last night, didn't notice it went overboard while reviving the fish on the other side of the boat! You'd think a $150 Beckman would float...how hard can it be to fill that handle with spray foam?!?
Anyone have any experience with Beckman in a situation like this? Any chance they'll warranty it? Kinda cheesed the thing didn't float.
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| whynot - 7/30/2009 9:17 AM Crap! Taking pics of a fish last night, didn't notice it went overboard while reviving the fish on the other side of the boat! You'd think a $150 Beckman would float...how hard can it be to fill that handle with spray foam?!? Anyone have any experience with Beckman in a situation like this? Any chance they'll warranty it? Kinda cheesed the thing didn't float. -Chris Will they warranty it? No. You dropped it in the lake and it sank. That is not the fault of the manufacturer. How hard is it to fill the handle with spray foam? Very easy, I suggest you do it to the next one you buy.
Not a net out there, that I know of, that will float unless you do something to it yourself.
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| try wrapping a couple of the net loops around the boat cleat acouple times. That will make sure it stays put untill you unwrap it |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Almost everything inside the boat that isn't a vest or flotation device will sink if you drop it outside of the boat. I bet no where on the net does it say: 'Floats!'
Just an observation.
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| Wow, no sympathy whatsoever in here. Obviously my next net will have a handle full of foam, I just don't get why net manufacturers don't do that at the factory when you're paying that much money for an item that hopefully spends a significant amount of time hanging over the edge of the boat. That's all I'm saying. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Go back to the spot and start casting a weighted treble hook. |
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Location: Watertown, MN | Like stinger stated go cast area with deep cranks weighted dawgs, a friend actually makes a net float that goes on the handle that keeps them a float for sure, he had them at the chicage show for $10 and he sold a few. I know some guide that lose several a year. I typically put the yoke around my salty's rod holder, or actually put the handle in the holder when working on fish.
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| Yeah, I waypointed the entire path we drifted while taking pics so I may be able to recover it. Just hope it stays put. We lost two fish boatside on the spot after we lost the net...hand landing big fish with a mouth full of hooks is a scary proposition. |
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| OK...if it's of any consolation I sympathize with you. Most of us have dropped something overboard now and then, and it sucks. But, don't blame the manufacturer for not making it float. I dropped a rod and reel overboard once. They didn't float either. |
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Location: Central Iowa | Another item i'm surpirsed that doesn't float are the little kids 3 foot combos. We bought a spiderman one for my nephew last year and took him out in the boat with it for the first time and he chucked it overboard and it sank like a rock. Must be a good business plan though because grandma went back into town and bought another one. |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | Hook picks, rod holders and long nosed pliers don't float either. My youngest has a list of density experiments it seems...
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Location: Hayward, WI | I would definately go back and dredge the area. When I started throwing big baits, I lost a Curly Sue AND a Super D. I marked the general splashdown area. Came back with an underwater camera and poked around until I found them, then threw in a marker bouy withing a couple feet of the camera sighting.
I'd made a "dragger" out of about 2 feet of bucktail wire, all the bell sinkers I had, and probaby 8 trebe hooks. Ended up getting both baits back. The longest part was looking with the camera in 15 feet of water. A net would be easier to spot. Or, since it's bigger and will be easier to snag, you could probably skip the camera part.
I only had a couple ounces of weight on the thing. If you could us more, like a pound or better, you could move right alone. If you want to get fancy, put some rods in your rod holders, make several grabbers, and have a 16 foot spread of them. Unless you have money to burn, I would spend a couple hours trying to get the thing back. I bet it wouldn't be as hard as you think, unless you were over more than 30 feet of water.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | if it only takes a little foam in the handle to make a net float, then Y wouldn't a MANUFACTURE do that and promote the hell out of it ???????????????????
or put it the instructions so U would know how to do it. I'm with U whynot, but not about them replacing it for U. |
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| I never said I expected them to replace it, just wondered if there was a chance! My main point is the more I thought about what happened, the less sense it makes that the manufacturer doesn't fill the handle with foam, or at least seal both ends of the handle to trap air in it to make it float. Seems like a logical thing to do to me. Whatever, hopefully you all can learn from my mistake.
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| Boy, I wish they would replace it. Every time I felt the need to have a brand new net, I would just throw my net overboard. :)
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Location: Brookfield, WI | sorenson - 7/30/2009 10:47 AM
Hook picks, rod holders and long nosed pliers don't float either. My youngest has a list of density experiments it seems...
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Just make sure he floats, Buddy. That's a thread I wouldn't want to read.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | ever wonder about the keys? in my boat anyway, the boat keys with the floaty-thing keychain stay in the ignition switch of the boat 80% of the time unless i'm on an overnight drive trip, but the keys that go in and out of the boat exposed to the possibility of being dropped (truck keys) didn't have a floaty-thing.
fishermen are generally smart but common sense leaves us behind on lots of things beyond the net.
or, how bout the sunglasses with the cords on them, when i take mine off i put them on my hat and have had them blow off my head with the protective cords and sink to the bottom too. who hangs them around their neck when not using them??
density ... yup |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | jonnysled - 7/30/2009 10:58 AM
ever wonder about the keys? in my boat anyway, the boat keys with the floaty-thing keychain stay in the ignition switch of the boat 80% of the time unless i'm on an overnight drive trip, but the keys that go in and out of the boat exposed to the possibility of being dropped (truck keys) didn't have a floaty-thing.
fishermen are generally smart but common sense leaves us behind on lots of things beyond the net.
or, how bout the sunglasses with the cords on them, when i take mine off i put them on my hat and have had them blow off my head with the protective cords and sink to the bottom too. who hangs them around their neck when not using them??
density ... yup
Here's your answer sled...
http://store.hamiltonmarine.com/browse.cfm/4,31844.htm
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Location: APPLETON, WI | ugh. I definitely feel for you... it's something that almost seems like it's bound to happen sooner than later. Good luck dredging the area. If you set up a few way points in the area... you've got half the battle won already. Start dredging and maybe it'll come up for you.
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Location: Twin Cities | Almost lost mine the same way last year, a walleye guy near by swooped in and literally grabbed the last 3 inches of it b4 she sank to the bottom 4ever. I asked him what ur drinking, bc Im buying. Saved me a Buck Fifty. You think I would have learned by now to fill up that handle with foam.....nope. |
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| My BEckman salmon net went overboard a couple years ago and it actually floated - for a while at least! I was trolling with 9 lines out so a quick turn around was out of the question but I spead up as fast as I dare, fast enough that all my Dipseys popped, and turned as sharp as possible with big boards out. 1/2 way through the turn the net went from floating horizontal to verticle and then it started going down. I spead up to a bout 10mhp and was able to grap it as the last of the handle slipped under the water!
I thne spent the next 1/2 hour untangleing all the lines! |
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| I agree! They're overpriced already! Why not make them float? Because you have to buy another one from them thats why! LOL!
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| I agree that it would be a product improvement if the net would float. In the excitement of lifting a fish out of the water for a quick photo, I can see how the net would be ignored.
Beckman, Frabil, who is going to be the first to market with this new feature?
If you do fill the handle with foam, use the "window and door" foam--it won't expand as much. The other stuff expands too much and may cause problems.
Brian
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Location: Twin Cities | I'm surprised how many of my rod and reel combo's float...i've had people let go of a few, some even float with a mag dawg on the other end!
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| 24/7 if you think that they are overpriced why don't you start making them and selling them yourself? I be you will find out real quick that these things aren't as cheap to make as you think! |
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Location: Northwest Wi. | I put "fomo-fill" ,the stuff you buy to put in walls for insulation in the handle of my frabill after a friend lost his over the side. My net now floats. If you try this make sure to take the net apart so none of the fomo-full gets on the netting. This stuff is quite messy, be sure to have lots of clean up supplys at hand. You will need to block the locking part of the handle so the stuff dont get in there I used newspaper. after you filled it let cure overnight then put it in the hot sun for a day to cure some more. This worked good for me. |
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Location: New Berlin,Wisconsin,53151 | I snag my friends net from the canvas top on his deck boat and yank it into the lake every now and then. It floats for a couple of minutes, just enough time to rescue it from sinking. I had a trolling set-up come out of a cheap holder and sink, it took me a while but I found it. The lure was a bagley and was floating just under the surface, I had to rewind the line but got the whole set-up back.
On my salmon net I put a wood dowel in the first part of the expanding handle for strength, it's enough to keep the net floating when it's in the water.
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| I left my Beckman on the bottom of Wildcat all winter a few years ago.Couldn't find it that fall.Made a "Y" thingee out of half inch conduit and strung some big a$$ hooks between the open end of the Y.First day of opener next spring we drug the area and came up with a Rhino rod,an old shoe,and my Beckman...I guess it was mine? |
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| go get it, dont let it clutter the lake.....!!!!!!!!! enough junk on the bottom of these lakes |
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| reelman - 7/30/2009 2:32 PM
24/7 if you think that they are overpriced why don't you start making them and selling them yourself? I be you will find out real quick that these things aren't as cheap to make as you think!
reelman, I'm not looking for an arguement But I was wondering if maybe you work for a net company to know what it costs to make them! There just doesn't seem to be a lot to them for what they cost! I do know that both Beckman and Frabil make a fine product and I have owned both! It just hurts to hand out $150 for a handle with a net on the end thats all! Just an opinion that probably ain't worth too much, but thats whats great about this country!
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| Brian, Nope I don't work for a net company and I agree that it's not easy to pay $150+ for a net but realisticly if they could be made at this quality and sold for a profit at say $75 I would think that there would be other compnaies lining up to take your $75. One thing that is great about this country is that if it can be made cheaper with the same quality someone will do it and undercut the guy who are charging more.
Another thing to consider in the price of these huge nets is shipping. The cost of shipping them from the manufacture to the store or wholesaler is a major cost in these nets I bet. Kind of like everybody who thinks they can make a treestand for bowhunting less than what's on the market until they try to get insurance on it! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | reelman, exactly.
No one builds a net expecting folks to drop them in the water. I work with two net companies, Frabill and Stowmaster, and have a pretty good idea what it takes to get the tooling made, the parts produced, the netting made and dipped, and all of that assembled. I don't know if either would be all that interested in adding the cost to retail of making a floating model, I'll ask. It's more likely an aftermarket or add on float could be used.
One has to add an advertising/promotional budget, discounts that will be demanded by big retailers, and more including the shipping you talked about. Then add the % the store has to get to give up the shelf space and keep folks hired and the lights on, and you have the retail price we all pay.
Sure, you can buy a cheaper net. I wouldn't though, in nets you get what you pay for. |
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| Sworrall, and let's not forget the 11% Dingle/Johnson excise tax that's added to all fishign and marine related goods. |
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| i like the long stick and hook retrieval idea!!! I am going to try that tomoroow to see if I can get my 250$$$ spinning outfit that my daughter casted into the lake tonight!!! Made me sick to my stomach. I loved that rod!!!!!!!! |
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| A couple years ago, I was fishing with my brother when he hooked up with a decent fish. I grabbed his stowmaster, opened it, and extended the handle super quick. Of course, when I went to net the fish, I realized that the extendable part of the handle was no longer there. Apparently, it went over the side of the boat when I was enthusiastically getting the net...the pushbutton doesn't engage the back half when you open it up too quickly on those stowmasters. It ended up working out pretty well though. The guys at stowmaster sold me a replacement handle for next to nothing. Great customer service with those guys. My brother was super PO'ed at me for a couple days though. HA! |
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| Rod and reels float if you have a one piece rod and a reasonably light reel. Fair amount of air trapped in those buggers.
Nets don't float. I have had several "net" experiences over the years.
BTW, prescription sunglasses don't float either. Dog... |
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Location: Slippery Rock, PA | I tie a small rope onto mine with a dog leash clip on the end. Once a fish is netted, I clip the leash onto the opposite side cleat which holds the net in place while I work on the fish. Keeps the net in the boat and keeps both hands free. |
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| i tried the big pipe with a hook on it idea and got my rod back this morning. Thanks for the idea. I had written it off! |
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Location: syracuse indiana | congrats landry . i have had clients knock a rod into the lake once.. lucly we were in 6 ft ov water and i stucka bulldawg on and ran the bottom with it and got it back in 2 swipes...bill i have filled the first frabill i had with foam but my 2 ones i have now i havent done it yet(worlds biggest procrastinator) a big kahuna and a pwer catch kwic kradle(pete maina design) but i need to get them filled...bill |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Here is something that will work, slip it on to the handle. CK it out
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| Brian,
I did make my own net, it's cheap, however mine is not aluminum for the net hoop........ granted it is a prototype but it is not made of aluminum, I am pretty sure that is the expensive part of it all making it strong and light! However now I will make sure mine floats..........
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Location: Oswego, IL | Something you can easily do at home for cheaper than a manufacture will do it for. Look, they these silly Noodles kids play with in a pool there are about 4-6ft tall and 4" diameter, all you have to do it take a peice and start slightly bigger than what you think you will need just to see how much it takes to float, and WOW now you have a floating net for a few bucks. Im sure you can find any color as well, and its removable! $3 at Poolcenter.com
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| I wonder if filling a net with foam would actually stop it from sinking. I watched a net fall out of the boat on the Mississippi this spring. Being right behind him I hammered down and tried to get to it but no luck. It was maybe grabable for 2 seconds after it went over.
Now my theory is that nets have a end cap over the end of the handle, now water will get through there, but it will take a little time. The hoop ends usually have some sort of cap as well so same thing there, it's going to take a little time for the water to seep in. Now if everyones nets are sinking almost immediately there can't be very much time for water to actually get in the net. That means the net is heavier than the air inside that is trying to float it. Now stay with me here, foam is less buoyant than air, that's a FACT. So all you're doing by putting spray foam in your net handle/hoop is getting it to sink faster. |
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