|
|
Posts: 134
Location: East TN | I bought a weagle awhile back from a buddy. It already had someone elses custom paint on it, which I wasn't crazy about so I just used a rattle can and painted it solid black. I never tried it before I painted it, so i'm not sure if my paint caused it, or if it was already like this. But anyway, For some reason its not wanting to stay on top of the water. Seems like its nose heavy and wanting to dive a little bit. Could just the weight of the paint be causing this, or what could be the culprit? Any ideas or suggestions would be great. Thanks |
|
| |
|
Posts: 727
| Are you working it too fast, if you work it really fast it dives down nose first. Does it still float at rest? |
|
| |
|
Posts: 134
Location: East TN | It will float at rest, but barely. I tried working it as slow as I could, and it still wants to dive. Its all I could do to get it to stay on top.....twitch, wait for it to come to rest, twitch, wait for it to come to rest, so on, and so forth. |
|
| |
|
Location: MN | I just had the same issue with a new one I bought. I put a larger hook on the back and wrapped sauder wire on the back hook. This mod made the back end sink a little. I still have some nose dive issues with a large amount of line out but otherwise it runs great. By far the best walk the dog topwater action I have used. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1504
Location: Oregon | Not sure about the newer Weagles but the originals I believe were made out of hard maple and had no weight in them. If you added the slightest bit of weight to them they would do just what you are describing.......sit too low. If there isn't a clearcoat and you don't see any weight added to the belly, it could be that the wood on this one is just a bit too heavy and you will need to replace it. Just the paint wouldn't do what you are describing but a water soaked lure would. Is the wood getting wet?
Jed V.
Edited by RiverMan 7/16/2009 2:10 PM
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 134
Location: East TN | RiverMan - 7/16/2009 3:08 PM
Not sure about the newer Weagles but the originals I believe were made out of hard maple and had no weight in them. If you added the slightest bit of weight to them they would do just what you are describing.......sit too low. If there isn't a clearcoat and you don't see any weight added to the belly, it could be that the wood on this one is just a bit too heavy and you will need to replace it. Just the paint wouldn't do what you are describing but a water soaked lure would. Is the wood getting wet?
Jed V.
well...I hadn't used the bait since I had it til after I painted it.....so i'm pretty sure it wasn't waterlogged. It pretty well did it immediatly when I started throwing it.
Think i'm gonna look into striping all the paint off, put a couple coats of clear for a base coat, then primer over that...then just a topcoat of black. See if that fixes the problem. Or may even look into sending it to someone to have it redone. Because I know I did apply several coats of color(black) and clear as well. Seeing as this was my first attempted paintjob, I may have added too much weight to the lure. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1504
Location: Oregon | If you strip it, I would recommend that you use a couple coats of wood sealer, then paint, then a thin protective outer coat of some kind. You can try an epoxy but from what you have described I'm afraid you will be back to where you started. Try this.........strip everything off, make sure the wood is real dry, then throw it in some water with the hooks attached. If the lure still sits too low then toss it or weight it front and back and turn it into a glider.
Jed |
|
| |
|
Posts: 462
Location: Antioch, IL | RiverMan - 7/17/2009 12:41 AM
...If the lure still sits too low then ... weight it front and back and turn it into a glider.
Jed
BINGO! |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1296
Location: WI | Make sure that you give them a little slack line right after you twitch it. I thought I had a bad one that did the nose dive, but I was just working it wrong. Also try twitching your rod to the side and not downwards.
|
|
| |
|
Location: Twin Cities | JKahler - 7/17/2009 3:17 PM
Make sure that you give them a little slack line right after you twitch it. I thought I had a bad one that did the nose dive, but I was just working it wrong. Also try twitching your rod to the side and not downwards.
FWIW, i've used Mak51's weagle compared to the 3-4 I have and it is very very different. Much heavier and it has to be worked ridiculously slow to keep it up. Hard to even march it because the nose wants to dive so much when you pull it. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 32930
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Sounds like someone customized that lure. I'd like to have that one...try using the next size smaller hooks. It'll still pin up well. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 134
Location: East TN | Thanks for the input guys. I think I am gonna try to redo the paint on it this week. Strip it down to the wood again, and redo it with as light of coats as I can get. And I may try to mess with the hooks if that doesn't fix the problem. I'll let you guys know what I come up with. |
|
| |
|
Location: Twin Cities | sworrall - 7/18/2009 11:00 AM
Sounds like someone customized that lure. I'd like to have that one...try using the next size smaller hooks. It'll still pin up well.
Messed around with hooks, same result. He bought it at the MN show direct this year...i've actually got another friend with one from thorne about 2 months ago and it does the same thing. It's just a really slow sweeper walk, can't speed it up. (not saying it's bad, just different) |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1887
Location: syracuse indiana | just strip that lure down to bare wood and seal it and leave it alone.. the lure will look bad and it will work good. most likely steve didnt check that one out when it was made. there were alot of them that ran different from eachother was a bad thing . when mojo took over they made them better and all the same. out of the 30 or so weagles i have had i always had some that worked great and some that didnt. also you need to leave slack to make that lure work good. so it swooshes and as a note the leader needs to be a light one so it wont make the nose go under and work it slow,slow,slow....bill |
|
| |
|
Posts: 134
Location: East TN | At rest, How low in the water should this bait sit? Just floating mine in the sink(without hooks), the water line is right at the top of the front line tie, and the top of the rear hook loop.
What about leaving off the middle hook? Or is there too much of a gap between the hooks on these to risk that? |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1887
Location: syracuse indiana | dont run the weagle without all its hooks.. the middle hook is the most hooking percentage hook....bill
Edited by archerynut36 7/19/2009 6:12 AM
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 59
| If you like having larger swivels or snaps or use a wire leader these will all make the nose dive. I was bass fishing with a zara spook and had a wire leader on and it took me a while to realize why it dove nose first with the rod tip down. If you can twitch it with the rod tip up it should eliminate most of the problems with the bait diving really steeply. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 134
Location: East TN | CM_IA - 7/21/2009 10:31 PM
If you like having larger swivels or snaps or use a wire leader these will all make the nose dive. I was bass fishing with a zara spook and had a wire leader on and it took me a while to realize why it dove nose first with the rod tip down. If you can twitch it with the rod tip up it should eliminate most of the problems with the bait diving really steeply.
This may be my problem possibly too. I was using Stealth Tackle 130# leaders.
I've got the bait repainted now, so gonna try it out within the next couple days. Also gonna put abit lighter hook on the front too to see if that helps. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 139
| I would have to agree with CM on this one The weight of you leader alone can make it nose dive. I have the same problem sometimes using hog wobblers with 200lb 12" steel leaders. Just a thought mabe try a flourocarbon leader. I personally havent used one yet. Let me know how they hold up. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1106
Location: Muskegon Michigan | Best thing you can do is sell it to me  25 bucks???? Kingfisher
[email protected] Or Ill trade you one that wont dive for it.  |
|
| |
|
Posts: 134
Location: East TN | Welp, I tried it out last night....That didn't fix my problem. I believe I just have one of the "bad blanks". I think this one is just too heavy. I just hate to scrap the lure, Getting ready to go on a trip to canada and would like to have it for up there.
Has anyone ever attempted to modify a blank to lighten it any? I was thinking about maybe drilling a hole in the bottom front portion of the lure(maybe 1/2inch) and cutting a foam "plug"(pool "noodle" foam) to put in there....mess around with the quantity to get it to float right, then re-apply a few coats of clear over it to seal it back up. |
|
| |
|
Location: Des Moines IA | There are guys who prefer those heavier blanks, you really shouldn't have any problem trading it for a different weagle if you want to. |
|
| |
|
Location: Twin Cities | BubbaTn - 7/30/2009 8:41 AM
Has anyone ever attempted to modify a blank to lighten it any? I was thinking about maybe drilling a hole in the bottom front portion of the lure(maybe 1/2inch) and cutting a foam "plug"(pool "noodle" foam) to put in there....mess around with the quantity to get it to float right, then re-apply a few coats of clear over it to seal it back up.
I had that thought for my friends who's don't run quite "right", just never bothered to try. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 134
Location: East TN | MuskieMike - 7/30/2009 10:41 AM
There are guys who prefer those heavier blanks, you really shouldn't have any problem trading it for a different weagle if you want to.
Yeah, I just don't really wanna have to bother with it. I'm leaving for my trip next Friday, and just want to have it to use up there...Not so sure I could send this one, and get another in time before I leave.  |
|
| |
|
Posts: 134
Location: East TN | I drew up a quick sketch of about how low my bait sits in the water. Does this look normal to you guys? I was kinda thinking the line-tie on the front should at least be above the water to keep it from diving. Keep in mind...It floats like this even without hooks, so its actually probably a hair lower with the hooks attached. What do you guys think?....
Attachments
----------------
 weagle.png (4KB - 109 downloads)
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 2378
| Looks pretty good to me.
If it sits like that you are definitely going to have to work it slow with lots of slack, but it will work.
Try it with your rod tip to the side and maybe up a little. Keep the nose heading up. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 134
Location: East TN | BALDY - 7/30/2009 1:54 PM
Looks pretty good to me.
If it sits like that you are definitely going to have to work it slow with lots of slack, but it will work.
Try it with your rod tip to the side and maybe up a little. Keep the nose heading up.
I don't think its in how i'm working the rod....I tried several different ways yesterday evening and none worked. Soon as you jerk it any bit, it nose dives. I even tried jerking the rod straight up and it wouldn't do it.
Thinking about trying to weight the rear hook to see if that helps any. |
|
| |
|
| get a new one and trow that one in the garbage simple no? |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1504
Location: Oregon | If it has an epoxy clearcoat that is probably your problem.
RM |
|
| |
|
Posts: 134
Location: East TN | RiverMan - 7/30/2009 4:22 PM
If it has an epoxy clearcoat that is probably your problem.
RM
It doesn't. I have sanded down and repainted the bait myself, using just a couple light coats of primer, and 2-3 thin coats of black enamel. Still having the same problem. |
|
| |
|
Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | mota - 7/30/2009 2:22 PM
get a new one and trow that one in the garbage simple no?
Do what mota said & sell it and buy a new topwater bait, lots of new one's on the market, that will work. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 32930
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I wonder if this is a Weagle; hard to tell after all the custom work was done. I've never seen one ride that low. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 697
Location: Minnetonka | I've got a Cady Weagle and had the same problem... even when worked properly, with plenty of slack and pauses, it still dove.
I hung 3 extra split rings on the back split ring and that was enough weight to keep the nose up and the bait ran awesome, catching 2 fish upon its return to the water. Give it a try before you get a new one or strip the paint off.
Hope this helps.
Catch 'em.
Andy |
|
| |
|
Posts: 134
Location: East TN | Hammskie - 7/31/2009 11:22 AM
I hung 3 extra split rings on the back split ring and that was enough weight to keep the nose up and the bait ran awesome, catching 2 fish upon its return to the water. Give it a try before you get a new one or strip the paint off.
Hope this helps.
Catch 'em.
Andy
Glad to hear i'm not the only person with this problem. Weighting the rear hook is gonna be my next plan of action.
Thats for the suggestions guys. I'll post my results if this fixes the problem. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 40
Location: Rhinelander, Wi | I bought a Hellraiser from R&H last year and it does the same thing. I can get it to work good then it starts to nose dive. I get frustrated and put it back in the box
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 4080
Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | My best Weagle, slightly nose dives and catches the most fish out of 10 different Weagles that I own.............. I would think you would want a lure to be more "in" the water, than "on top" of the water, for better Hook Up's.
Jerome |
|
| |
|
Posts: 134
Location: East TN | Ok guys, Meant to reply to this sooner, but just now thought about it. I got the bait repainted(two thin coats of primer, one coat of black paint)...its still diving. I tried putting a lighter hook on the front and even weighted the tail and I still can't get it to work. I'm just gonna give up on it...haha. If anyone would be interested with messing with it yourself, PM me. Thanks |
|
| |
