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Location: Ontario | Is anyone out there casting these lures, or strictly trolling them? The heaviest rod I use is the 7'9 xxx Premier. It handles the Pounder pretty good, but I'm thinking a Dawg double that size and weight will be too much. Have any of you guys actually caught a fish on a Two Pounder? I'd love to hear the details (set-up, time of year etc). I fish the right water for it, mostly Georgian Bay. Muskie and pike eat pretty big items at times out there, I've seen enough chewed trout to know that a 24-26" meal is common. I have one on order and figure I'll do some trolling with it over spots we're marking a lot but nothing's happening on traditional baits. Are there any non-custom rods out there you can cast these things with? I've tried a couple different Searches here because I remember the 2lber being brought up in the past, but I came up with no hits. Happy Memorial Day from ONT.
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Location: In a shack in the woods | I know mi has rods rated up to 40 oz lures |
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| I have a scale that I weigh my baits on. The "2 pounder" really weighs about 1 lb. 8 oz. The "pounder" weighs about 11 oz. These are not weights for the new style rubber they have out this year. I have 2 MI rods rated to 40 oz in 9' and 8" 6". It is not easy to cast the "2 pounder" with them. I have tried trolling the "2 pounder" a little bit, but haven't caught anything.
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Location: Ontario | Interesting about the weights BM, thanks for that. Sounds like I should maybe fire in out with a potatoe gun then just reel 'er in! I would love to hear from anyone wh's had any success casting these things, are they ever a load! Thanks for the responses guys. |
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| I forgot to mention that I would only use the "2 pounder" for trolling. Casting was near impossible for the above mentioned MI rods for me. I think it would work as a trolling bait though with a little practice.
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| What kind of rods are rated for 40 oz? I don't believe I have ever saw one. |
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Location: Oswego, IL | Get yourself a trap shoot attached to the boat to cast that thing. 2 Pounds! LOL! |
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | Buckkiller - 5/26/2009 6:00 PM
What kind of rods are rated for 40 oz? I don't believe I have ever saw one.
Musky Innovations has rods rated to 40 ounces and I believe St. Croix might as well.
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Here's one Jake caught on a 2 pounder last fall..... Casting !
IT Almost swallowed the Dawg... We took pics first and layed it back on the board to cut all hooks and pulled the bait back thru the gill plate.....
No bleeding and It took off very strong..... 2 pounders can and do get Casted, but it's not easy.
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Location: Ontario | No pic! That's awesome man. I just sent M.I and email looking for some general info on what's available. Bodily wear and tear I'm not worried about, just looking for a twig that can handle the load and do it with some degree of efficiency.(Ie: rod not shattering haha). Gotta say thanks to all the guys here on and off the board who've offered up tips on the Dawg game. I'll be sure to put up a pic if I get a good one Dawgin. The bait's record speaks for itself..there's no other bait in the box like it. I think if I dedicate the time I'll get the confidence+mojo. It seems like a fun bait to fish, one you won't want to put down. That's a great story H20. |
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Location: Ontario | I see the pic now, that's wild man. That's pretty much what I was hoping to read in this post..let alone see a pic like that one. That's the capper! (Awesome quality shot, too)
Knotted and/or crimped leader? That's a lot of stress heaving that thing around, I was thinking of going twisted wire, no knots or crimps but more than one guy I've talked to uses the Stealth in 130 and 180. I use crimped 200# Seaguar for huge bootails and stuff, but there's nothing that would compare to chucking a 2lb Dawg. I trust all the leaders I make but this is a new level of wear and tear. Thanks for all the info guys. |
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| JBush I wouldn't be afraid of crimps or knots as long as they are done right! John Bette of Stealth Tackle makes the nicest knotted leader around! Not sure if he is using crimps on the thicker stuff though...The saltwater guys have been using crimps with flouro well before musky fisherman even thought of using flouro, and they battle fish 10x bigger and stress the crimp way more than we could ever think of...I would at least go with the 180 for 2lbers though. mike |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Can't beat the Stealth leaders... get the heavy ones for sure.
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| The two pounder is without a doubt totally crazy however coming from a person that throws them plenty I will be the first to say that they do catch fish. Not all monsters either, plenty of upper 30's believe it or not. As for rods I use the musky innovations rod and they throw it however it could use to be a bit stronger. The same can be said for the St. Croix they are strong but the two pounder is just alot to handle. Personally I like the Musky Innovations rods better just because the longer handle gives you more leverage to throw them. Either way trophy bait to doubt!!! |
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Location: Ontario | Thanks Spencer, I hear you re: little fish on huge baits. It's nothing to have a 25 inch pike eat a 17" frozen herring thru the ice or attack a 16" bootail in the summer. I think fish eat way bigger (and smaller) than we realize. The only limitation is the size of lure we can handle with our regular tackle. Awesome to hear from another guy who's had success on this huge gob of rubber.
MI's 9 foot Monster Rod is the one I'm looking at, that whole series is rated to 40 oz. The equipment will never stop evolving..I bet by 2015 the 2lb Dawg will be a springtime bait, guys will be using a 5lb Dawg. Number 10 blades already look tiny to me after tying with 13's and 16's lol. 40 oz capability might be good if I need to lift a 40 of Canadian Club after a wknd of trying to toss the 2lber. |
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Location: Sakatchewan,Canada | The two pounder works great for me up in Saskatchewan for monster pike,they love it!
http://www.myfishingpictures.com/data/500/medium/10477t-boned_2_pou...
http://www.myfishingpictures.com/data/500/medium/104772_pounder_get...
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| If we're now talking about two pound dawgs than I have to declare an arms race.....I'm working on a kevlar swim suit for a 40lb 3yr old kid. I'm going to put a couple of big trebles off the feet and speed troll him in the propwash.
You think I'm kidding....
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Location: Oswego, IL | Tw,
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Location: Milwaukee, WI | That kid may grow up to be a gold-metal winning water skier! |
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| Has anyone tried trolling one of those giant Rapala wall decorations yet?
If not, that will be the next step. |
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Location: Ontario | Spencer and Pikemaster, could you guys give the details of your set-up for me please? Rod, reel, line, leader and any hook upgrades? Awesome pics BTW Pikemaster and keep it reel out in SK from a fellow Cnd.
I took the plunge two days ago and ordered up the Moster Mag from Innovations, in the 9 foot. Good deal on the rod and shipping. Sales @ MI also fielded my inquiry within twenty minutes at 9pm on a weeknight..that's my kind of service. I'm a Croix guy thru and thru (every rod I use is a Croix, all my ice rods, everything) but I had sent two emails to them on the subject last season with zero responses. I won't twist anyone's arm to take my money. Probably stick with a 7000 and 100 or 120lb line. I think I might order a few leaders from Stealth. I make all my own but never for heaving anything this size. I take it they'll make anything I want? Probably get a couple 18" with 200lb Seaguar and split ring on the dangerous end. Thanks for all the help guys, I'm going to toss the hell out of the 1 and 2lbers thisn season, can't wait. |
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Location: Hugo, MN | Just personal opinion, but why throw the two pounders when the pounders work so well? For that matter, you could say that the pounders are overkill as the magnum size works so well. Personally, I throw a lot of the pounders and some of the big Curly Sues, and have a bit of success on them. Having said that, I think the mag Dawg is my most productive size. If you can catch big fish throwing pounders or mag dawgs, WHY throw the two pounders?
I think the same is true with big blades. Double tens work really well, and people assume that bigger is better. I think the general concensus is that the tens are as effective if not more effective than the 13's. If that's the case, why put yourself through throwing 13's when the 10's may be more productive?
I'm still a relatively young buck, but I'm starting to systematically fall apart. I'm really starting to look at my equipment and baits, trying to find ways to make things easier on my body. I used to throw everything with one rod and reel. In the last few years I've broken down and bought some of the higher end reels and built some custom rods. These have made life easier for me. Throwing two pound baits won't.
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Location: Ontario | I've never caught a fish on any size Dawg, so I can't say what size will be best for me where I fish, Spring Dawg or 2lber. (I have a couple Mags, too.) One thing I do know is that big baits are cool to toss on good spots for a couple hours every evening or at other good times. I figure the 2lber will be a pretty spot/time-specific bait for me. 13's killed the fish up here when we tried them last year. Going to let them feel the 16's this year. Both blades we roll sloww, and usually at night. The pull is no different than crankin a jointed Beleiver. A 1oz Daredevil can wear a guy down if he feels the need to reel at mach1 all trip. Our best luck on big tails with big blades is fishin them slow to moderate pace on our known spots. I agree with Dick Pearson...'lets face it, muskie baits are neat.' This thread alone shows some big fish devour the huge Dawg, being age 32 and able-bodied, I figure it'll be fun. It sure is wild watching a muskie smoke a huge bootail , or other oversized bait. Remember, I'm gonna troll the 2lber too  So far I haven't had to stop doing anything in my daily life because I feel physically too old, let alone fish. |
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Location: Sakatchewan,Canada | Trolled with leaders made by the late Rolf Balansiak of Wishmaster big Baits and 130lb T.U.F. line.Why use 2 pounders?Because if your fish eat big or they become familiar with Mags and Pounders,why not??? |
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Location: Ontario | What kind of depth control are you getting with that set-up PM? Dawg's not the kind of bait I'd want bumping the shoals, it'd hang bad with no chance of backing off. For suspended fish I figure they'll be great. I'll be fishing with Tuf Line also, in 120#. How far down are you with, say, 50' of line out just as an example? Speed? I want to dial in the depth so I'm not hangin the bait up. I don't mind grinding around with crankbaits, the good ones bounce of pretty much everything. Thanks. |
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Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania | can you work a dawg efficently with a solid wire leader. Like a .035 leqader for example? I am not really a fan of multistrand anything. |
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Location: Medford, WI | JP,
Throw that thing as much as you can; especially in the fall. I don't have a rod that can handle it at all (I'm the one in the pic above), but I made do with what I had: XH Shimano Compre. It wasn't the funnest to cast, or should I say LOB, with but it paid off big time as you can see. It sounds like you do a fair share of evening/night fishing and know what you're doing with the slow-rolling blades. Use this bait the same way at night - cast it out and reel it in slowly. The tails on these things move a ton of water.
I use 100# line with it and a Stealth Leader for sure. Make sure you have those hooks super sharp, and definitely be prepared for a deeply hooked fish...that goes for any size dawgs really. A good set of hook-cutters is very important and a long needle-nose pliers.
Any other questions, feel free to ask; I'd be glad to help in any way possible. And to answer the ? above about why you would want to throw a 2lb. dawg...if you're catching as many, and as big, of fish on the pounder or mag, then there's no reason to trow the big one. However, there were enough times last summer where the guy throwing the pounder was catching/getting bit a noticeable amount more than the guy throwing a magnum in our boat. By all means, throw what you can and when you can. If you have confidence in a bait, it's more than likely going to work. I chucked that 2-lb.er out on Vermilion with Jerome most of the day, knowing that the muskies were eating that big and bigger whitefish at that time of year; and threw a pounder when I got a little sore.
P.S. Jimbo, I have one of those Rapala "decorations" in my closet and would've probably already tried trolling it if it were legal here in WI. I personally don't think you could catch anything with the hooks/setup on the Rapala; but I honestly don't doubt that fish would bite it. Jerome...maybe that's something we can experiment with on Vermilion sometime this year...
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Location: Ontario | Jake, thanks a lot. I've been gettin harassed non-stop about my 'internet bro-mance' after emailing your pic to my buddies, showing that 2lber barely poking out of that pig's mouth. The pic is amazing, they say its like I'm showing off a hot chick or something haha. It's actually my screensaver, hope my buddies don't see it, that'll really get them on my case. That sounds like a winning tactic in the fall, countdown a giant dawg and slow crank it. I have litterally dozens of spots everywhere I fish that are too tight/small/sharp to troll thru but are taylor-made for a bunch of casts. Dawgs are so easy-reeling you don't figure they thump much, but I'm guessing they do with that huge ribbon tail and ribs down the sides etc. Nothing would make me happier than to nail a nice one next wknd on our French River Opener and share the details with you guys, thanks for all the tips. I'm rigged up to feature Dawgs in my attack.
BTW, I emailed John at Stealth and he had my leaders made up and in the mail the next morning. I'm starting to see why this guy has the following he does. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Jbush,
Here is a cool pic of a 52 incher that I got about 18 Hrs. after Jake caught his.
Caught on a Creamcycle colored Mag Dawg.....It hit like a ton of bricks about 8 ft. from the boat....It came straight up from under the bait, ingulfed it and came right out of the water,headshaking for about 30sec....... It went crazy, just like a 50+" fish should react........ Such Fun. Jake's fish was bigger and Heaver.
Jake's fish was also quite the Rush, ......
In the stillness of Dusk,............ All of a sudden, all Hell broke loose, I never heard a 23yr. old Scream so Loud
Now I'm pumped, To bad I'm not able to fish right now. (Working)
Jerome
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Location: Kentucky | Jimbo - 5/28/2009 3:27 PM
Has anyone tried trolling one of those giant Rapala wall decorations yet?
If not, that will be the next step.
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Location: Medford, WI | Jerome,
You've got me all jacked up to get out and catch a big one now too...I could never thank you enough for that trip...along with the others too!!! You're right about a 23-year old going crazy; I was so excited about that fish..wowwww!
JP, you've got the right idea about fishing them after dark...just like you said. You'll get bit....just make sure those hooks are sharp; and I would also suggest cutting the top (single) hook. I'm glad to hear that the dawgs are in your arsenal now, you will not regret it!!! I've had several people in my boat that have had bulldawgs but never really liked throwing them; after our trips were over, all of them have become huge fans of dawgs and curly sues (Shack Attack). Haha, I love that you've been sending the pic to friends...I've done the same with a few pics. That pic of Jerome's fish is one of my favorite that I've ever taken of a fish/fisherman.
And right on about Stealth, you can't go wrong with them.
Any questions, feel free send me a message.
-Jake Bucki
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Location: MN | Anyone know what price these are retailing at and who currently carries them? I haven't seen them at Thorne Bros. or other musky shop websites. thx |
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Location: Smith Creek | JBush, The PM79XXXHF will throw a 2lber just fine, I've casted my wife's 20lb Jack Russell Terriers with mine. |
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Location: Medford, WI | Mak, I'm not sure what places are selling them now. Rollie & Helens had them about two years ago, but they don't carry them at all anymore. If you're interested in buying one, let me know. I have one or two extras.
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Location: MN | Hey Jake,
Thanks for the info.... Down the road I might take you up on the offer.
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Location: Ontario | Another awesome pic guys, thanks for that.
I've heard for years that the jig hook on top needs to go. Personally I think it'd fight with the belly hooks and be more trouble than it's worth. How many fish are you guys solidly hooking with it? It can't see it beeing the primary hooker at all with two big trebles underneath. There are ice jiggin baits we use like that..one or two hooks are extra and do nothing to help, only hurt. Take them off and the lure works just as good or better. They're not needed. Are you guys dumping the jig hook off all Dawgs or just the big Pounders and 2Pounders?
My #1 reason for not using dawgs before now is how awful they hang up. Would it ever be nice if someone came out with a rubber bait that had the hooks up outta the back. These things look like sukers and catfish to me, it'd be awesome to lay them on bottom and drag them back real slow. Or at least be able to lay 'em down once in a while. All these Q's, I feel like Diane Sawyer. Thanks guys. |
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