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Location: Stillwater | What is your opinion on the musky innovations bulldawg series rods? Do you like it? Just want to know what you guys think of them. |
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | I have one and for big rubber it does fine but I won't cast it all day. It mainly collects dust or lays on the boat deck untill I feel the need to throw 11" Curlies or bigger baits. |
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Location: In a shack in the woods | I have an 8'6 and a 9' I really like both but wish I would have bought two 9 footers. They have a stiffer tip on them but can cast all day without problems. I just got them so I only have 1 day throwing gliders for pike but I had no problems with them. For $50 more though you can get the new thorne rod. I had a chance to play with that at the musky expo and was very impressed. The thorne is my next rod. If thorne wouldn't have came out with that it would probably be an mi though. |
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Location: Minnesota | I have an 8'6" and I cast everything with it - I like it. |
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| Good sticks. I have 2. An 8 ' 6" and a 9'. |
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Location: Minnesota | I used an 8'6" quite extensively last season. I utilized it as an all purpose rod most of the time. I threw everything from double blades to Suicks to Bulldawgs. No issues, it works good. |
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Location: Bloomer, Wi | cant say anything bad about these rods I have had the 8' super mag rod and the 8' monster mag rod. Love em' will be getting more for sure. |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | Are they American made? |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | The BullDawg rods have over 20 different rods for any bait or fishing style you want. I say they are the best rods on the market for under $200.00
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Location: Kodiak, AK | American made, do you know? I want to get a third rod, and I have a St. Croix Premier, and a MI Super Mag. I'd like another and like both of these brands, but was curious as to if MI rods are made offshore or not. |
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| They are made in China |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | Kinda thought so, but couldn't find it on the rod, tag or website. |
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Location: martinsburg wv | mi rods on sale bookems musky shop |
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Location: Chicago | st. croix's making the triumph's in china and are opening up shop in central america somewhere. a matter of time before all their products are made out of the country. |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | Yeah, I guess I just like American-made rods. I like Sage fly rods because they're still in Bainbridge Is, WA. You can tour the shop, take a blank back for replacement and they go in the back and bring out a new section to replace it and you're out the door. |
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| I have a super mag bull dawg 8' 6" only have been able to use it once, works good for the double 10's and even lighter bucktails. My 7'6" St. Croix was way to light for double 10"s . Found it at Gander Mountain for only $99.00 I think they were $150.00 at Cabela's Was not marked anywhere on the rod were it was made, might of bought something else if I knew it was from China, should of figured for only $99.00
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Location: WI | RonTugs3 - 7/12/2009 9:44 AM
st. croix's making the triumph's in china and are opening up shop in central america somewhere. a matter of time before all their products are made out of the country.
That's why I don't buy the Triumph series. If all of their stuff gets outsourced I will probably stop buying it. I'm not willing to pay their price for foreign made rods.
I had an 8ft super mag MI rod coming, I scored a super deal on it. I used a 9ft last fall and liked it a lot. |
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| Aren't the bulldogs made in china too... Are you going to quit buying a bulldog? |
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Location: Smith Creek | St. Croix's plant in China no longer exists, operations moved to Mexico, no plans on closing the Park Falls plant. It would make headlines in the fishing industry if they did. |
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Location: Oswego, IL | I highly doubt they would have thier top end products out sourced |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | Guest - 7/13/2009 11:04 AM
Aren't the bulldogs made in china too... Are you going to quit buying a bulldog?
No, that's ridiculous. I buy American-made when I can and when given the choice. If I'm going to spend $200 on a MI rod or $200 on a St. Croix Premier, I'll buy the Premier any day. I'm not calling for a boycott on anything, just support for American-made products. I've always done well with my rods and reels made here. I usually pay more, but there's a reason why they're the best products out there.
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Location: Eagle River, WI | How come you can post in here as a guest? I'm sick of reading posts where people throw in there off-hand remarks and the hide behind "guest".
Anyways, I have a 8' MI Super Magnum it's rated for 4-16oz. It seems a little heavy and the cork is a bigger diameter than any of my other rods. It throws a magnum bulldawg nice though. Overall I think it's a pretty good rod for the money. |
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Location: WI | Guest - 7/13/2009 10:04 AM
Aren't the bulldogs made in china too... Are you going to quit buying a bulldog?
What I meant was, if all the St Croix rods were made outside of the US, but still being sold at their current prices, then no, I probably would not buy anymore.
The MI rod I'm getting is brand new from a friend and my price was less than $100. So for that price, I will compromise.
All of my rods but 2 or 3, are St Croix.
Edited to add, I'm not a huge rubber bait fan, but I try and buy the Shack Attack baits pver the MI ones since they're made in the US.
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Location: Kodiak, AK | welldriller - 7/13/2009 10:33 PM
How come you can post in here as a guest? I'm sick of reading posts where people throw in there off-hand remarks and the hide behind "guest".
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I've often thought the same thing. |
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Location: Ontario | All my rods are St.Croix too but I grabbed two of the 9'0 Monster Mags for Opener this year and love them. They took my sales inquiry by email after 9pm on a weeknight and I had the rods within a week. That's my kind of service and I think that's worth noting. If a business can be more profitable while offering me a good product at a fair price I don't care if their plant's on Mars. ( The Global Economy or where they made the lure I'm casting is about the furthest thing from my mind come Saturday mornings, that's just me). The 9'er manhandles Pounders, Mag Suzy Suckers, 13" Bobbies and it also really nice for tandem #16 bootails. I'm going to use the other one as a trolling rod. Its graphite/glass composite and will be great for Plows, Hookers etc with all that length and the little bounce in the tip. On the one I use casting, I busted off the 'art-decco' butt cap within two days. This has also happened to all my Croix rods that I use larger lures with too. They just epoxy on the little cork cup. Filed off the little bit of blank that was poking out so the grip is all one solid piece now. These and the Okumas are the best rods for the money I've seen. The 9' Monster Mag is a load to throw all day but I really like it. I bought them to toss 2lb Dawgs with and that's stretching it a bit. Maybe I'll be in better shape by fall though  Haven't hit a muskie on mine yet but have really messed up the wknd for a few pike this year so far. The 9' length alone is really nice. |
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| I am a once a year Northern Pike/Walleye fly in fisherman. Allowing for walleye gear, weight is an issue.
The smaller MI rods are listed at 3/4 to 4 oz which menas they should be able to handle a regular bull dawg. ( I know no heavier). Would this work as a one rod NP rod to throw my 3/4 and 1 oz spoons up to the regular Bull Dawg?
I did throw one last year ok on a borrowed Fenwick HMG 7' 3/4 to 2 oz and caught a 43 inch pike.
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Location: Land of the Musky | Zero It - 7/12/2009 1:14 PM
......Was not marked anywhere on the rod were it was made, might of bought something else if I knew it was from China, should of figured for only $99.00
"Made in China" should be on the Bulldawg rod or tag. I bet if you look its there. It is a legal requirement by the FTC and enforced by US Customs for any product sold in the USA. Also has to be marked on the product at musky shows if the lure or rod is taken out of the packaging. If not, the seller is plain breaking the law and they can be fined huge fines or the company can be shut down. IMO its a good law and lets the consumer know where the product was made. Andy from Shack Attack even went one step further for his lures. He stamps "Made In America" on the tails of his swimbaits. |
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Location: SE Wisconsin | Great stick for a moderate price. Brad is great to work with and has been more than generous in helping me out at times. I throw everything from St. Croix, G-Loomis, Okumas and MI, and while I did admittedly have a defective MI rod snap on the forward heave from the backswing, Brad relayed me to the Mfg contact, and backed up that guys cust. service with his own, "If he doesn't help you, call me and I will!" Long story short, I was taken care of, but knowing that Brad stands up for his customers really made me feel appreciated. Currently I have a pair of 8 footers, an 8'6 a 9' and just had Rollie's put a 10 footer on hold for me for pick up this weekend. Versatile, aesthetically pleasing and I love the long handle with the hour glass tapering.
James, while I haven't thrown your stick yet nor met you personally (for some reason), I know you're a real stand up guy and one of the most generous in the industry. I look forward to my opportunity to use your new rod also, I know I can trust it and most importantly, you. |
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Location: South Portsmouth, KY | Sam Ubl - 2/25/2010 3:30 PM
Great stick for a moderate price. Brad is great to work with and has been more than generous in helping me out at times. I throw everything from St. Croix, G-Loomis, Okumas and MI, and while I did admittedly have a defective MI rod snap on the forward heave from the backswing, Brad relayed me to the Mfg contact, and backed up that guys cust. service with his own, "If he doesn't help you, call me and I will!" Long story short, I was taken care of, but knowing that Brad stands up for his customers really made me feel appreciated. Currently I have a pair of 8 footers, an 8'6 a 9' and just had Rollie's put a 10 footer on hold for me for pick up this weekend. Versatile, aesthetically pleasing and I love the long handle with the hour glass tapering.
James, while I haven't thrown your stick yet nor met you personally (for some reason), I know you're a real stand up guy and one of the most generous in the industry. I look forward to my opportunity to use your new rod also, I know I can trust it and most importantly, you.
When is the 10 foot rod coming out? |
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| The 10' rods have been out for a while and I got one at the 2009 Chicago show. I got another 10' rod this past January at the 2010 show and was told by Rollie and Helens that they were clearing them out. The rod I got was half price and R & H said they did not sell well and they could not ship the rods because of the length. I really like the 10' rods and on rough days it is much easier and safer to do figure 8's. |
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Location: South Portsmouth, KY | edalz - 2/25/2010 4:28 PM
The 10' rods have been out for a while and I got one at the 2009 Chicago show. I got another 10' rod this past January at the 2010 show and was told by Rollie and Helens that they were clearing them out. The rod I got was half price and R & H said they did not sell well and they could not ship the rods because of the length. I really like the 10' rods and on rough days it is much easier and safer to do figure 8's.
What price did they have the 10 footers cut down to? |
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Location: SE Wisconsin | I like them for any day/condition. I think it helps to draw big circles with a super long rod in every situation. Starting from the beginning, you can lead the lure away from the boat from further out to a more extensive degree to draw the fish away from the boat before going into the 8. Once in the 8, just having that extra couple feet allows you to make bigger circles when you need to and do it a little further out, plus, when you're fishing deep and your have a submarine below you, it really helps when you want to bury that rod in the water up to your reel seat if need be... Just realize that you have to be the incredible hulk to be doing many one handed 8's with this size rod because of the flex from the length when dragging through the water.
My absolute favorite detail of a catapult like this is the ease it puts into lobbing big heavy baits. The distance of the cast is one benefit, the ease of the motion is the other. Since casting big heavy baits, like dawgs, doesn't require a snap cast, rather more of a lob, a long rod is an awesome tool to get the job done - just be sure to buy the right weight. A stiff backbone with a moderately fast tip is what I'm packing.
I think they may not have sold well because of the original price tag vs. the risk of making such a big purchase without having heard much about them. Most people feel safer buying into a rod they are used to or that isn't far from what their used to, like 8 footers and 8'6. I'm fortunate enough to have a friend with a custom built St. Croix that reaches 9'6 and has really divulged it's advantages. Furthermore, I think about all those surf fisherman, like in Norway, where they use 11' to 12' rods to lob those heavy weights way out from the beach. |
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| Normal price is $250 and I paid $125. I called Rollie and Helens and asked if they had more and they guy said the last (3) were at the Ohio show this weekend. Good luck! |
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Location: MN | I've have two experiences with the Musky Innovation rods; one good and one bad.
Rod #1: One of the original super mag models from years ago. Great rod and still in normal use today. This rod used to be a pool cue but has softened up and is a real nice stick to throw.
Rod #2: I believe this rod was their low-end model which they sold at Gander (I bought new from a buddy). The rod blew up when I set the hook on a pike; needless to say I was a little turned off by these lower end rods produced by MI. If anyone is dying for details, I can give you the specs when I get home.
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | One thing about the rods we have is the guides wraps need or have been replaced on the 4 we own, 1 broke on a fish. Many seem to like them but IMO theres better out there. Mine has 2 broke/cracked wraps at the moment and on a rod with maybe 30 hours use max in 2 years. It just wears me out casting it since it's a heavy rod. |
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Location: South Portsmouth, KY | edalz - 2/25/2010 7:51 PM
Normal price is $250 and I paid $125. I called Rollie and Helens and asked if they had more and they guy said the last (3) were at the Ohio show this weekend. Good luck!
I call dibs on the 10 footer at the ohio show!haha |
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Location: South Portsmouth, KY | What type action is the 10 footer in? |
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Location: Land of the Musky | OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 10' rod with a reduced length to 8' with a telescopic blank total length,,,,,, Granted a 18" handle with a 2' space from the reel seat to the first guide might be a hard one to do.,.... I love this board for a Challenge 
Give me 3 months for an XH and and XXH
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| muskie_man - 2/25/2010 10:53 PM
What type action is the 10 footer in?
One is a medium action rated 3/4 ounce to 4 ounce and the other is a extra heavy rated 4 ounce to 16 ounce. I am not sure if there is something in between.
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Location: Van Buren, Indiana | Hey James! Your just trying to get me to buy that third rod aren't you! That would be a sweet rod! If you build it they will come! I had alot of looks at the 9' Mega Heavy at the Indy Boat Show! While your at it make us some nice warm sunshine |
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